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cyn
Tuesday, June 21, 2005, 8:07pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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suzedgar,  are you reacting to the supplements?  Do you still feel like you're experiencing die off?  Thanks   Cyn
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Tuesday, June 21, 2005, 8:21pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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suzedgar,  Reread my first posting on this subject (3 postings ago) and I didn't say that my son is in pretty bad shape right now.  Maybe it's the same thing you're talking about but I'm not sure.  He has had upper body gas for the last 9 weeks (today is terrible) and has had flu like symptoms on and off (reactions to any supplement he takes) and has this weird thing with his body thermostat (gets overheated all of a sudden).  Somehow I don't think it's reaction to the supplements because he stopped for about 10 days a couple of weeks ago and it only got worse.  I don't know what to do.  Sorry to ramble on but I just spoke with his doc who said to go off everything for 2 weeks and then reevaluate.  She really didn't seem to know either.????  Help!
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suzedgar
Tuesday, June 21, 2005, 9:00pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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oh - I'm so sorry - I didn't read the thread closely enough.  Have you taken your son for a n examination with another physician to get a second opinion?  Has he had full blood work etc done?
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cyn
Tuesday, June 21, 2005, 9:25pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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no, he just went to one doctor.  She had him do a blood yeast test.  Is there more blood work that should be done?  I also just remembered something.  Someone told me that a yeast test could show a false negative if someone's been taking antifungals, etc.  But then again, there's his spit test which looked pretty good.  Obviously, I'm real confused.  Again,  all literature always says that if you have die off with antifungals it confirms a yeast overgrowth.  Is there another intestinal/ stomach problem that would also cause die off?  Thanks suzedgar and anyone else there with ideas.  
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Cyn,
Yes  - I have been taking caprylic acid and grapefruit seed extract but I just added UDA Plus (stinging nettle) and Polyflora O and now I find I am very bloated and very constipated - I attribute it to die off.  It is very unpleasant
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cyn
Tuesday, June 21, 2005, 9:42pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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suzedgar, how long have you been treating your yeast?  Have you been experiencing die off reactions and gas throughout?
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I have been taking caprylic acid, grapefruit seed and doing the diet for two months - with no gas or constipation. It has only been since taking the UDA Plus and Polyflora O that I am really bloated and constipated.  I am also experiencing pretty bad joint pain.  
I think this is a good sign although very uncomfortable -the only problem is that it is important to not be constipated - so I'm not sure what to do about that
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cyn
Tuesday, June 21, 2005, 10:41pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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With the antifungals - did you have die off reactions?  Now, with the probiotics, you have different reactions - none of which you had before - right?  I don't understand why you think this is good and it means the yeast is over.  Please explain because it actually is similar to my son.
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suzedgar
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The constipation, bloating and gas are the die-off reactions.  It means that the yeast is being killed which is a good thing.  It is very uncomfortable but at least there is progress.    I am also very tired.  

Last night, i did not take the UDA Plus and today I feel much less tired and am not constipated.  I am going to take a break like this every two days so that I am not constipated all the time and don't feel tired and bloated.  

I only just added the UDA Plus and Polyflora O to my protocol. I believe that these supplements are very powerful and effective.
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suzedgar
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Has anyone tried Dr. D's UDA Plus as part of their protocol to kill the yeast.  John at NAP swears by it.  It is in the encyclopedia as part of the yeast protocol.
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Does anyone know how to take bentonite powder?  It just says on the bottle to take 1/2 tsp. and drink glass of water.  I tried mixing the bentonite in the water but it didn't blend and I ended up with all these claylike blobs.  Anyone used the powder before?
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Bentonite is actually a fine clay.

I would think you would need to swallow it off the spoon and then follow up with the water to wash it down.

In our industry it is commonly used to re-inforce earth works such as dam walls and road excavations. It is also widely used in pottery clay.

I didn't realise it also had medicinal qualities. I presume you don't want any 25kg bags ...

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cyn
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Hey tas,

Swallow powder off the spoon?  Not sure about that.  Anybody actually used the powder?  
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who told you to take it in the first place? )
and for what purpose?
maybe we all can learn something new! )


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gotainer
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Has anyone checked that out?   http://www.health-truth.com/articles/breakthrough06.asp

They seem to have a specific approach of fighting candida. I'd like to have your opinion about it.
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Sounds really interesting....wish  he had gone in a little further  on what he uses. that way we cold see if it lines up with  Dr.D.  
Gotainer , are you in the  area thathe practices? Are you going to see him?
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Caroline,
Unfortunately, I live in France, so I won't be able to check the guy's method, which, from what I understand, you have to pay and be there to follow. Still, the phases seem logic, and the connection between candida and detoxification pretty original, and worth considering.
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sometimes I may remember all to have a look who's the autor; very important also the
psychismen of him and I think in his case one is able to short things much more...  
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Caroline,
Unfortunately, I live in France, so I won't be able to check the guy's method, which, from what I understand, you have to pay and be there to follow. Still, the phases seem logic, and the connection between candida and detoxification pretty original, and worth considering.


thats is the way I read it, that  you had to go for a consultation. it wasn't something that was done through the internet.
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Does anyone have stomach gas (burping) that goes on constantly?  It's been almost 10 weeks since starting treatment and the upper body gas is tremendous.  At least it's being released now - before it was just kind of trapped much of the time.  Any ideas about this and what to do about it?  Thanks you all.
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Does anyone have stomach gas (burping) that goes on constantly?  It's been almost 10 weeks since starting treatment and the upper body gas is tremendous.  At least it's being released now - before it was just kind of trapped much of the time.  Any ideas about this and what to do about it?  Thanks you all.


cyn... is  this your son your speaking about and  it is STILL going on? has the spit test shown there is no more candida?  There sounds like there is some changes  going on... he is an O blood type right?  have you tried Seltzer Water to help with digestion of food?  
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Yes, this is my son - he's type A like me.  He had one spit test that looked good but then they looked bad again.  I think that happened because he was out of bed too long before I had him spit in the glass.  Anyway, the candida is definitely still there.  All through his yeast overgrowth and then with treatment, gas has been a problem.  He's stuck to a candida diet and been taking anti fungals - which he could barely tolerate because of that upper body gas.  Now he's doing threelac and that same thing is going on.  I don't know if this is just an extreme die off symptom or what.  We've tried everything for the gas - seltzer just fills him up more.  One way the gas has changed is that it used to be trapped in his stomach and would make him nauseaus.  Now he's able to release it - he burps constantly.  Even though that seems like an improvement, I guess I'm just so frustrated because it's been so long.  Thanks, Caroline.  Ever heard of this before?  I would probably feel better if I could understand it.  The unknown is so hard to take!
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Sorry Cyn, I forgot he was a A.....If he is a secretor which we  will assume he is, unless you have had the testing done, then seltzer water or any "bubbly water" is an avoind for him. So that wouldn't help at all. Personally I haven't heard of this issue with Candida. but I sure an  no  expert on it.  yes, medically I have seen this, but that was treated totally differently than BTD.
Is that the only (don't mean that  like its not a big deal, because it is) "symptom of die off he is having? No constipation or diarrhea?  and the only thing your taking is the ThreeLac.?
I actually did a search on "excess burping and Candida", I came up  with a good website, as I began to read it, it  was pro "threelac", which I thought was interesting since you are using  Three Lac. On the website one of the symptoms of Candida is excess burping.  So, it sounds like your doing the right thing and its a matter of getting a hold of this Candida.  I will give you the website:
http://www.kickcandida.com/threelac.html. There is also  an expert on the message board, that has dealt strictly with Candida for years, his screen  name is Archer. but his Website is http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com/index.html. he is also a advocator of Three lac.  I think you could email both of them and "pic their brains" on this issue also.  
I know it must be an annoyance for your son....but I know there is an answer .
Hope this helps,
Caroline


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Threelac seems to work for some and not for others and quite frankly, I do not know why, but am trying to figure it out, slowly but surely. I don't necessarily advocate it because of this reason. I have heard some conflicting reports and the jury is out on the long term effects of spore forming lactic acid bacteria. I have also heard that threelac is actually a competitor to yeast and does not eat it as they claim. Course some of this I heard from Natren, so who knows since they are a competitor, although a competitor that has been in business for yrs and does make a good probiotic. I do know also that it seems once you stop taking it, you loose any benefits you may be receiving. Course most probiotics are that way.

I am not sure why cyn's son is having this problem but I am concerned that the doctor said that his yeast levels in the blood where normal? In the blood is what bothers me, yeast should not be found there unless it has punctured the lining of the intestine..

I think a stool test for yeast and bacteria-good and bad is in order. I have seen this before and it was a bacteria of some kind and was detected by the stool test.

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Expert advise needed..............

I have now  got a  whole new symptom going on with this Candida. Its really "getting to me".  After  eating, and its a meal  full of protein and veggies, with flaxseed meal and  flaxseed oil. I leave the full and satisfied. Approximately 30 minutes after the meal....I am getting  a sugar craving that practically drives me up the wall. it takes everything in me to  not head for the  fastest  sugar product I can find. I  have experienced  plenty of these cravings during this  now 3 month stint, but this is almost predictable and  FAR more intense.....and in an odd way, it leaves me rather wiped out fighting it. sounds silly huh?
Insite?
Caroline


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