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I gave in.. :/

Trying to study for final exams (and the depression that comes along with it) is enough on it's own not having to get all the ill-effects of dying candidas as well :s

..Just hope this short period of about one week will let them grow too much.

Looking forward to hearing about some threelac results

Since I'm starting on a gluten-diet - to test if I'm coeliac - after I'm done with the finals, I take it that is not going to be good for the candida either(?). So when I start my candida battle in 2-months time (if I can manage to stay on the gluten-diet that long) there should be a lot of forum members here with much invaluable candida-fighting-experiense to learn from

Or will there be no problem fighting the candida and at the same time eat rye, barley and other gluten stuff ? (plan to stay away from the horrible wheat though)


Suspecting: Crohn's (biospy, not 100%), Candida, wheat allergy/coeliac?, chronic sinusitis, fistulation :/, juvenile arthritis(?), milk intolerance...

Currently trying to fight the albicans kritters, but seems like a never-ending battle..
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I d stay clear of grains (even if they are compliant)......
and away from carbs......
concentrate on protein, fats and veggies, while you re in exams......

why would you want to load on gluten, if you know you react to it.....
eat as a celiac with candida.......
you will not stress your body as much eating that way.
you need all the energy you can have now that you are in exams.


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p.s. I am not an expert in Candida, but I have learned alot FAST!


Thanks for you excellent reply, CarolineC. An alien - that's exactly how I feel about Candida.

Hm, I'm afraid I've had it for years. I remember years ago wondering why my tongue always looked coated and hating the slimy feeling I had in my mouth in the morning. Well, the slimy feeling has gone now - now I only need to get rid of the coating on the tongue, my sometimes irritated colon and all the other stuff.

We'll beat this thing!



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What have you done to fight this Candida thing - this thread is so long I wasn't sure if you had posted your protocol!
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Thanks for you excellent reply, CarolineC. An alien - that's exactly how I feel about Candida.

Hm, I'm afraid I've had it for years. I remember years ago wondering why my tongue always looked coated and hating the slimy feeling I had in my mouth in the morning. Well, the slimy feeling has gone now - now I only need to get rid of the coating on the tongue, my sometimes irritated colon and all the other stuff.

We'll beat this thing!

Poly,

I know we will beat it...today I feel very beat down about it. I again have two sores on my tongue....and I know what I did. I went with a friend  for lunch...she insisted on Mexican ( An O nonnies enemy) well, I order some chicken breast and dumped some fresh salsa on it.. BINGO within a 1/2 hour I had a blister on my tongue and one under my tongue and then a sore came. I am in  such pain today.
I am really depressed.  and I am mad at myself because I felt like I had been in such a great place mentally and emotionally about it, like a  soldier  on the front line, today I just feel beaten down..feel like a good cry is in order.  





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Poly,

I know we will beat it...today I feel very beat down about it. I again have two sores on my tongue....and I know what I did. I went with a friend  for lunch...she insisted on Mexican ( An O nonnies enemy) well, I order some chicken breast and dumped some fresh salsa on it.. BINGO within a 1/2 hour I had a blister on my tongue and one under my tongue and then a sore came. I am in  such pain today.
I am really depressed.  and I am mad at myself because I felt like I had been in such a great place mentally and emotionally about it, like a  soldier  on the front line, today I just feel beaten down..feel like a good cry is in order.


Is this an open sore that is extremely painful? Kind of like a herpes sore or open blister with what appears to be raw flesh exposed?
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Is this an open sore that is extremely painful? Kind of like a herpes sore or open blister with what appears to be raw flesh exposed?


yep, these are like the ones we  talked about before just not as bad... one is under my tongue like my tooth keeps hitting it or something and is cancer sore. The other one happened 1/2 hour after the salsa...its not a  canker sore, just a round white sore spot  that is now going away.  remember when I first started this candida thing, after I went off the BTD wagon and did the cucumber, tomato, italian dressing binge? and then moved on to strawberries and mushrooms??? it was then that I did the spit test and it looked like a jellyfish... remember????
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Caroline,

Yes I remember. I just didn't put it together at the time. I just wonder what species it is. Is it in the central portion of the tongue or the white sore-if you try to scrape it off leaves a red raw sore? You also have oral thrush right?

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Caroline,

Yes I remember. I just didn't put it together at the time. I just wonder what species it is. Is it in the central portion of the tongue or the white sore-if you try to scrape it off leaves a red raw sore? You also have oral thrush right?



the one on the tip of my tongue is now 99.9% gone, and that is the one I got right after the salsa...it is almost like a sore lingual papillae. I have had geographical tongue since I was  young..so "ptobably" thatis the answer.
the other  nasty ne is underneath my tongue, being constantly hit  bymy bottom teeth and it is round  with white in the middle, which is now starting to leave and under it is just a hole that is red and hurts. I also have had these since a child. No I don't have thrush. Swishing with salt water give relief for a while, I feel like I am on a bus and it won't let me off.

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Poly,
What have you done to fight this Candida thing - this thread is so long I wasn't sure if you had posted your protocol!
Suz


Hmmm, my protocol! Well, let's see...  

I'm eating a fairly strict low carb diet that's almost grain- and sugar free. I've been on Atkins for 8 months (lost 47 lbs), so I guess I've been starving the Candida without really knowing it. Now I've eliminated alcohol, any type of vinegar, cheese and mushrooms as well, and to make Candida's life even more miserable I'm taking a supplement called Dida* in the morning and probiotics in the evening. On the Dida-package it sais you should take 2 tablets a day for 45 days and then 1 tablet a day.

I've been pretty bloated for the last couple of weeks. I hope it's tha Candida's final death-struggle. (I must admit that it sometimes smells as if someone laid down and died inside me!  )

* 2 tablets of Dida contains: 10 mg Cinnamon Oil, 6 mg Fennel seed oil, 6 mg Peppermint Oil, 300 mg Oregano leaf, 200 mg Olive Leaf, 150 mg Calendula Officinalis, 150 mg Thyme, 100 mg Cardemom, 100 mg Cloves and 67 mg Garlic.

CarolineC, I hope you feel better soon.


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Caroline,

What I find amazing is the effect of eating foods not good for your blood type  stimulated the growth of the sores. This would suggest the macrophages and neutrophils were busy combating the effects of the meal and they let down their guard against the fungus. Once they dealth with the meal, they attacked the fungus and encased it by phagocytosis causing the white puss like blister so it can't spread. By not having thrush I am leaning to a different species other than candida although it could still be atrophic candidosis. Aspergillus and histoplasma capsulatum are both airborne fungi that we are all exposed to on a daily basis. Histoplasma causes these sores usually after it has become quite systemic in nature. The sheer fact that it is going away so fast indicates your body is winning the battle and if it is that species there is a tremendous battle going on in your body.

Since I don't fully understand yet the effects of eating foods not for your blood type, is what I am saying making any sense? Do these bad foods cause this kind of response by the immune system?
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Caroline,

What I find amazing is the effect of eating foods not good for your blood type stimulated the growth of the sores. This would suggest the macrophages and neutrophils were busy combating the effects of the meal and they let down their guard against the fungus. Once they dealth with the meal, they attacked the fungus and encased it by phagocytosis causing the white puss like blister so it can't spread. By not having thrush I am leaning to a different species other than candida although it could still be atrophic candidosis. Aspergillus and histoplasma capsulatum are both airborne fungi that we are all exposed to on a daily basis. Histoplasma causes these sores usually after it has become quite systemic in nature. The sheer fact that it is going away so fast indicates your body is winning the battle and if it is that species there is a tremendous battle going on in your body.

Since I don't fully understand yet the effects of eating foods not for your blood type, is what I am saying making any sense? Do these bad foods cause this kind of response by the immune system?


I know your learning about BTD here and your expertise is fungal "stuff" so its confusing to you... but Yes eating avoids cause all  kinds of situations. headaches, "arthritic" symptoms, fibromyalgia, IBS..I can go on and on....


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caroliine - back to the original posting on this thread - you mentioned in your posting today about your spit test.  I tried it the other day for the first time and asked everyone around me to try it.  When we all had all these jellyfish like things hanging down from it, I asked other people who don't live with me to do the same thing.  Everyone described tenticles hanging down from the spit.  Soooo, does anybody get spit that just sits on top of the water?  Is this test really a good way to test for candida? Or do we just all have yeast overgrowth???
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caroliine - back to the original posting on this thread - you mentioned in your posting today about your spit test. I tried it the other day for the first time and asked everyone around me to try it. When we all had all these jellyfish like things hanging down from it, I asked other people who don't live with me to do the same thing. Everyone described tenticles hanging down from the spit. Soooo, does anybody get spit that just sits on top of the water? Is this test really a good way to test for candida? Or do we just all have yeast overgrowth???


theres a great question...I do know that IF I have had no foods (sometimes they are hidden), I have done it and the spit litereally just dissipates. From what I understand, it is normal for everyone to have a little yeast..but I could be wrong, but the tendrils  like your describing..are not normal and candida is present.
I have fooled around with ithe spit test a little....I decided one night after having some almond butter not to brush my teeth and see if it made a difference. Next morning the spit was clear. My thinking was may be it made a difference if you brush your teeth and night or not. Nope makes no difference. Strange, huh? I know you don't know all the blood types of the people who did the test for you, but that would be interesting.
Cyn, its like I said before. its like walking in a room blind, trying to find the door and there is no knob.
The new poster Archer, is a specialist in Candida and yeast problems, but new to BTD. I introduced him to it. He has alot of information....but learning about BTD.
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Soooo, does anybody get spit that just sits on top of the water?


I do and my 9 yr old daughter does, it just dissapates. At least the last time I did it on a dare. I cannot say if it is like that everyday though. All of us have yeast in our bodies that is forced to make vitamins, mainly B's. It is entirely possible that the level fluctuates from day to day. The best indication is the length of the tendrils or legs, longer they are, the worse it is. A spider webby spit, how I used to be, is the worst. It will commonly go from top to bottom of the glass and look like a spider web, not the smooth tendrils or jellyfish legs.

No one knows why the spit has this reaction in the water as far as I know. You could test your stool for yeast and do a test for yeast antibodies. High levels would indicate that it is indeed yeast or some type of fungus. Many types of fungus will test as yeast but a fungal analysis will reveal the species.
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I need one of my kids to add a quoted text and their not around now so I'll just tell you what I referring to!!  Regarding archer's comment that you find the effect of eating foods not good for your blood type amazing - Almost 2 years ago I discovered that I had a fairly rare autoimmune disease and the only treatment for it was prednisone.  I was desperate to find something else.  I read about someone who "cured" himself using the blood type diet.  I got the book and started eating as many beneficials as I possibly could since I was fighting disease.  I noticed the improvement within a week or two but it took more like about 5 or 6 months to get where I could totally control the disease.  And by avoiding my avoids I stay disease free.  Of course I cheat sometimes and usually have no reaction - probably because I eat many more beneficials and neutral that seem to counteract the avoids. I am controlling my illness with absolutely no medication - just by eating A diet.  Archer, you're right, it is amazing!
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your story IS powerfull!!
thanks for sharing! )

hope you don t mind my quoting you, to all who are trying but do not believe!


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Wow! Keep doing spit testing and have more questions.  Does it mean that there's more yeast overgrowth if the tendrils come down soon right after you spit?  My son (candida problems for past year) did a spit test this morning that had very little coming down from top and it took a long time.  But he's still reacting (major gas build up) from probiotics and enzymes.  (For 8 weeks before these probiotics he did anti fungals - garlic and grapefruit seed extract - but had to stop that because he had so much gas from that - and we were only doing 1/4 of a tablet because of the gas)  What's going on?  His spit test was better than mine and yet he has so much gas from treatments that he feels sick (nausea, dizzy, constant burping).  Pleasssse somebody help!
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CYN,
Have him take Charcoal and see if that makes it possible to continue the treatment. It's helping me a lot with the symptoms your son is having, including nausea. I decided to try it a few days ago, and it even lowered the die off symptoms.
Good luck!
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GOTAINER,  Thanks for the suggestion.  He has tried charcoal (and simethicone and baking soda) and not sure if helped or not - maybe it has sometimes - he just has so much.   But we'll try the charcoal again. -  When you refer to "die off symptoms" (apart from gas) what are you talking about?  I thought the gas itself was die off. What other symptoms were lessened?   Thanks
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Cyn,
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that the main die off symptom was extreme fatigue. I think it was mentioned at the beginning of the thread by several people.
By the way, my girlfriend who also has candida, had the same reaction as your son when she started taking probiotics. It took her about a week to get used to them. She started using grapefruit seed extract one week before the probiotics but this alone didn't have significant side effects, maybe because she's increasing the amout of drops she takes very gradually.
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Wow! Keep doing spit testing and have more questions. Does it mean that there's more yeast overgrowth if the tendrils come down soon right after you spit? My son (candida problems for past year) did a spit test this morning that had very little coming down from top and it took a long time. But he's still reacting (major gas build up) from probiotics and enzymes. (For 8 weeks before these probiotics he did anti fungals - garlic and grapefruit seed extract - but had to stop that because he had so much gas from that - and we were only doing 1/4 of a tablet because of the gas) What's going on? His spit test was better than mine and yet he has so much gas from treatments that he feels sick (nausea, dizzy, constant burping). Pleasssse somebody help!


cyn, technically you can watch the spit for up to an hour, but I have found that the faster  ir develops the worse it is.. when I first  did the spit test.. it was  3 seconds and the tendrils were dangling, probably 5 good  size ones.  it sounds like he is geting ahold of  the  yeast. and Gas is a major issue with dying off yeast. I have not experienced it and you said he is not constipated  right?  I am wondering if something else is not going on...has he ever had diverticulitis or  any other bowel issues?  is  the gas  ALL the time or after he eats...if so how long after he eats?
is he doing any Food combing or have we gone over that already?
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caroline,  I read earlier in this thread that you also had some good spit days.  At this point is your yeast under control?  My son isn't constipated and his gas is high up - it pushes up (maybe on his esphagus?) and that's what makes him feel nauseus.  So I wouldn't think it's an additional problem in his bowel.  It builds up when he's taken all his probiotics and enzymes for the day (often worse late in the day).  Eating brings it on only when he already has alot of gas - it seems like the food is competing with the gas for the space in his gut. While it's been nine weeks of die off and that gas just keeps coming (and he's had every die off symptom I've read about - flu like symptoms, numbness in legs, original yeast overgrowth symtoms like dizziness and foggy brain), there's no question that he's better today than he was even two weeks ago.  How long did your die off last?  I know I read you had tongue sores.  Are they gone now?  What is food combing?    
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I'm kind of freaked right now.  My son has had all candida symptoms and then when taking anti fungals, probiotics and digestive enzymes had die off symptoms.  But his spit tests have been good (better than mine) and his naturopath just called to tell me that his yeast levels are normal.  I'm really scared because what would cause him to have such a bad reaction to all those treatments (for 9 weeks he's had bad die off and loads of upper body gas)  If anyone has any ideas please let me know.  I'm absolutely terrified and have no idea what this could be.  Would appreciate any ideas.  I don't know what to do or where to turn.  Thanks
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It sounds like he has killed the yeast off and that was what all the symptoms were - I am experiencing gas and constipation right now and blurry vision from taking the supplements. I woulld take this as very good news that he has kicked the yeast
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