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Bettycakes
Saturday, May 14, 2005, 6:04pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hi, I'm not even sure if this is the right forum to post these questions, please redirect me if there's a more appropriate place to put this thread. Is there a post/thread/blog/article here that explains the candida spit test and how it works? I've suspected candida as a factor (maybe cause?) of my CFS w/fibromyalgia for a while now and I'm finally sick and tired enough of it to actually do something about it! I'm very new here and have been BTDing for a week now. I feel better, I feel worse... depends on the moment. The main changes I've made are eliminating wheat/dairy/sugar from my diet, and those are huge changes for me, all at once! I'm not on an anti-candida protocol because 1) I need more information; and 2) it scares me. Here's why: I *think* what's happening is that the candida are starting to die off and as a result I feel awful! Even more achy-painy than usual, and even more brain fog/disorientation than what I've come to accept as normal.

I was in the grocery store the other day and had a huge 'senior' moment, and I'm only 48. I'd forgotten my list and couldn't remember what I'd come for besides organic chicken and frozen peas. I couldn't remember where certain items were kept and just walked around pushing my cart in a fog. I'm grateful I didn't run into anyone I know as they would have thought I'd 'lost it.' On my way driving home I almost ran a red light. I felt sick and headachy. I was tempted to eat an avoid just to lessen the symptoms, but I didn't. That day was no fun, but fortunately I haven't experienced anything quite so severe since. I have 3 teenagers and work outside the home and have to maintain a fair amt. of functionality in my life, so perhaps it's not a good time to do a candida detox? But if not now, when?

So, back to the candida spit test. I did it, and almost instantly there were tendrils. Does the speed of the appearance of the tendrils indicate the severity? How often should I do the test, and will it indicate the amt. of healing based on the tendril presence? Sorry about  the huge amount of questions, but I'm new here and have to get them out of the way. Any info and/or directions to other areas on the site will be very much appreciated, thanks.
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debs
Saturday, May 14, 2005, 6:20pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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hi bettycakes
see if you can find the link to three lac.lots of info there.if you cant find it come back to me & i'll give you the details as i cant find it at present but it does sound like candida die off.In the meantime take probiotics so they fill the gaps the yeast is making as it dies off ok? you can pm me if you ok?


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Bettycakes
Saturday, May 14, 2005, 6:50pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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thanks debs, I found links to candidasupport.org and rainbowminerals.net. and I take it you are talking about this supplement? Have you used it, and was it successful? It looks like there are various distributors of this product. Are there any particular makers/suppliers that are superior to the others? Is it available at HFS or strictly on the net?

In the meantime I'll pick up some high-quality probiotics from my chiropractor and discuss all this with her. Is there a link here to your 'story'? Thanks for your help, I'm sure I'll be discussing this with you again soon.
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debs
Saturday, May 14, 2005, 8:53pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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bettycakes i do like that name.does it refer to your name & fondness for that delicacy? it reminds me of my mum,her name is betty & she makes cakes & usually delicious ones at that which is difficult being an o nonny  but thats another story.
i've had candida on/off number of times.used many different things;grapefruit seed extract,stinging nettle,p'au d'arco,larch arabinogalactan which are all very good.However i had the feeling my body needed something a bit stronger to blast them critters back...way back.At present i'm using 'three lac' with their oxy enzymes & oxygen plus.Its early days but i'm starting to think i may be winning.that was the link you saw wasnt it for three lac?
they come with instructions you follow about taking things slowly by starting to build up from once a day for the first 2-3 days then gradually increasing the times & amounts per day to see how you go.the threelac has a lovely lemony taste,the enzymes are in capsules & the oxygen plus are dropswhich has a definite tangy taste but you don't need much anyway.
as far as i know its only on the net.also the company i went to you do pay a little more for the product at first but thats because apparently it comes with customer service/after care that you can contact them any time with your queries.so i would be inclined to recommend them.
i would be inclined to suggest if you did a candida protocol to maybe do the spit test maybe once a month perhaps before you purchase your next order & then keep an eye on it monthly or bi monthly to monitor it.After a lifetime of anti biotics a lot of people have candida to varying degrees & dont realise.unfortunately GP's don't generally acknowledge candida.They do in the early stages (i.e.thrush/cystitis etc) then only in the advanced stages when it becomes systemic.( give you even stronger stuff(hmmm see a pattern here?).also i have been bodybrushing to help things a lot & it seems to be helping now.i like to think of all them horrid critters flying off when i brush.



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I remember reading about this spit test for candida a while back, but dont remember how you do it. I only remember, if I'm remembering the right thing, that you spit in water and watch to see something about how long before the tendrils "drop" or something like that. Would someone explain this to me and tell me exactly how to do it? I'm fairly certain that is a problem for me as well. Still need to get some of that 3Lac. I know there is another company that you can buy it cheaper than the one you are speaking of here. Will tell you what it is when I find it.



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CarolineC
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Betty sue,

I am walking the same walk as you..only I am about 2-3 weeks ahead of you. the first time I did the spit test, my eyes got like saucers, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. My glass looked like a octopus and sediment went to the bottom quickly. After that, I started to review in my head what I had been eating for a month..it was scary! I was a yeast bud's hero. I craved things  that fed the yeast...and didn't realize what was going on .. for example mushrooms ( couldn't get enough of them, I  put them in everything) strawberries,  chocolate chips by the  handfuls, I was a run away train and couldn't  stop. When I didn't eat them, my body got  real angry at me. Finally I started to come alive and started to put 2  and 2 together. My eating went 100% benefical and I started to follow a VERY strict  candida diet. the first week I really  thought there was going to be a dead person in my house...yikes I fel like I was going nuts. The ONLY thing that would calm it down was a tbs. of almond butter and   a little organic blueberry fruit spread. Because  fruits are out for a while, along with so many things. It has been probably 2 weeks now, and someday my spit test is ok..some not  so great, but nothing like it was. Right now I test it everymorning. I refuse to go back to that place. My tongue  was  full of sores and I was a mess. I made the decision today, just because when it gets as severe as mine  had gotten, that I would do a cleanse. So tonight I started. I looked ar Dr. D's yeast protocol and  found exactly what I needed. and actually found a product (pretty reasonably) at a health food store near me. I also am taking probotics, to help fill the void  that  the yeast had had.  I don't know if this has helped, I hope so.  the other issue if you think you have had this a long time is parasites. You might want to  do a cleanse for that. No sure how others think on this.  I found some great information on 2 websites:
www.wholeapproach.com
http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com


there is so much help here on the board..I am sure you will be successful!
Caroline


Sound of the ocean soothes my restless soul
Sound of the ocean rocks me all night long.
Last night in my dream
I saw your face again
We were there in the sun
On a white sandy beach of Hawaii


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debs
Sunday, May 15, 2005, 7:18am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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the reason that that 3lac site appears more expensive is at first you your paying a one off fee which guarantees you aftercare service & you can contact them anytime with any worries or problems as you're using their products as candida die off etc.after that i think you're getting a discount.just bear it in mind when you're out there looking.ok?


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Bettycakes
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Yikes! Double yikes. The more I research this the more overwhelmed I get. I have a house full of teenagers and cabinets with tempting foods, in relation to a candida diet. My husband goes grocery shopping and brings home c**p food. I just don't know how I can take care of myself, cook for my family, go to my job (which is physical and stressful) trying to manage die-off symptoms and stay sane.

One hour at a time?

Debs, which site do you use? I chose the name Bettycakes as Betty is a self-appointed nickname (though not my real name) and cakes just seemed like a good add-on. Made with fully compliant ingredients, of course!

Thanks again everyone for the links, info and continued support.
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Bettycakes,

I'm also just about a week ahead of you.  I did some research and decided to take high-dose biotin (5000 mcg/day) to try to force the yeast to revert to their easier-to-kill spore form, and I also started the WholeApproach phase one protocol.  It is supposed to be very gentle on the body (but hard on the yeast!), and it sounds well-designed to me.

Here are the details:  morning and evening, on an empty stomach, you drink eight ounces of water containing a mixture of psyllium husk AND seeds (husk for gelling power, seeds for gentle scouring action), liquid caprylic acid (an anti-fungal), and bentonite clay (to adsorb the toxins and dead yeast and escort them out of the body before they can cause die-off symptoms).  According to WholeApproach, when caprylic acid is taken in pill form it passes out of the intestines within ten minutes (!), but when it is taken as a liquid suspended in a fiber gel, it is absorbed very slowly and pressed up against the intestinal walls, killing the yeast where they live.

My experience after one week has been thus:  Definitely flavor the mixture!  The WholeApproach support forum suggests a "safe" sweetener like stevia (or vegetable glycerine) and maybe some cinnamon, but I find it tastes better with sea salt added.  I also have to play around with the ratio of psyllium to bentonite, as psyllium is a laxative while bentonite is a binder, and right now I tend more toward constipation.  One day I reduced the bentonite and ended up with a nasty migraine and a vague sore throat, which I attributed to die-off.  After that, I reinstated the larger amount of bentonite and added a bit more psyllium.  It's too soon to tell whether it's working or not.  And I am reducing my intake of sugar and grains, but I refuse at this point to go all-out on an anti-candida diet (which is essentially tailored to O nonnies, not A secretors).  After doing this protocol for a while, I plan to add in or switch to some candida-eating probiotics.

My understanding, though, after visiting www.healthydetox.org, is that the best I can reasonably hope for is damage control until I treat any mercury build-up I may have accumulated over the years (and I'm sure it is significant in my case, because even though I have only three silver-mercury amalgam fillings myself, my mother had an entire mouthful while she was pregnant with me).  I am hoping to get all of my fillings replaced at the end of this month, but I still won't be ready to start eliminating the heavy metals for several months yet, as groundwork must be laid in advance and finances are tight right now.  I'll probably also want to work with my naturopath to fine-tune the details.

At any rate, that is the extent of my research to date.  I hope it helps!

--Sarah
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CarolineC
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Bettycakes,

I can very much understand how your feeling about now. I was certainly in your place, before I decided on a course, I  sat  for  hours and hours studying. I am  embarrassed a an RN  how much the medical field lacks in the knowledge. I got  very overwhelmed also.
Sarah and I  both are working in the  same direction just in different steps. I startd the diet 2 weeks. and I must admit, it hasn't been easy. BTD can be restricted to things we would  love to each at times, we all have out little favorites. Well, take the BTD and warp it up 100% and that is the candida diet. I think the first week, I could have turnd into an Ax murderer! the yeast is dying off and wants to be fed and the cravings are awfull. I have seen so much difference it was amazing, but something in me wanted to take it a step further. (Its my personality). So Last night I started taking what I call  "yeast pesticide".  I am hoping Melissa reads this  because I would like to know if she ever had  these syptoms. After 1/2 of taken it, I could feel my lower bowels start to "churn"...and then I started getting the intersting side effects and I am trying to figure out if I'm nuts. I started having joint pain!! (I haven't felt that since I started BTD 5 years ago) It was like this "demon " inme was fighting  for its life! I KNOW it sounds nuts! Well, I just ate and took the second dose and the stomach is "churning" , it doesn't cause diarrhea and GAS!, just churns (sorry that its so graphic)
This is what my NO is having me take:

1000mg. caprylic acid
600 mg. Pau D' Arco
600 mg Black Walnut
400 mg. Oregano oil
Garlic
olive leaf
cat's claw
wormwood herb
magnesium
biotin

I can't imagine this every night..for any length of time! ..YUCK I must admit my spit this morning was clear! How long did  you stay on the regimen
and of course I am taking my probotics.
thanks everyone for your support, you have no idea how I appreciate it.
Caroline


Sound of the ocean soothes my restless soul
Sound of the ocean rocks me all night long.
Last night in my dream
I saw your face again
We were there in the sun
On a white sandy beach of Hawaii


R.N.who belives in BTD as the  only way
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debs
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hi bettycakes this is the site i went to first http://www.candidasupport.org however they then referred me to their uk site however as you;re in America this is the site for you ok? let me know how you get on ok?best wishes for a speedy recovery.


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daily necessarious  intake of carbohidrates from GRAINS or FRUITS?


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debs
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IMHO cut out dried fruit & limit to no more than 2 fruit a day the less ripe the better. keep to your minimum servings of grain per week max & see how you go.


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Hi all,
i wanted to  joint this thread as I am fighting candida. I tried nystatin but it killed the yeast too quickly and I felt awful. I am taking 1200 mg of caprylic acid and grapefruit seed extract - I believe it is much gentler and will take much longer. I can't even eat fruit without breaking out in hives so I think the anitbiotics and steroids I was on gave me really bad candida. I am also taking a homeopathic drops each day to eradicate the allergy to yeast.  I take probiotics, vitamin C powder and I don't eat any grains or sugars (o nonny diet without fruit) - I feel better but am a bit tired when I do a hard work out. I seem unable to lose weight and am a bit bloated so I still think this candida thing is around.  Have any of you struggled with the weight loss part? I find it really hard to work out alot.
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Hi Suzedgar,
Man, I so understand. emotionally I am really down about all this. I am doing basically the same as you Caprylic acid 1500 mg and garlic 5000mcg a day. I am not eating fruit or grains hardly at all, but I am losing so much weight my famliy is getting worried. But nothing on the candida diets adds calories. I know the yeast is there..I check my saliva everyday, some days there is hardly any, the next there is some. Granted nothing like it was. My tongue finally cleared up. I felt human that wa and then this morning I got another little sore thing. I am really discouraged. I am staying strictly benefical...I have started eatting these little flax seed chips (just flax seed. Found them in Whole Foods) and still basically constipation. and yes, I am  so tired. Today has been bad, I am really down about it..feel like I could just sit and cry. UGH..I hate this! I feel like I am battling a alien in me.
thanks for listening,
Caroline
Suzedgar, I am  right with you, I know it will get better....we just have to find the key. If we were allowed to have  glass of wine, I'd have one with you!


Sound of the ocean soothes my restless soul
Sound of the ocean rocks me all night long.
Last night in my dream
I saw your face again
We were there in the sun
On a white sandy beach of Hawaii


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Hang in there, Caroline. I know this will get better for us. I don't seem to have lost a pound! which I think is really weird.  I am stuck on 110/111.  I think that the steroids I took a year ago have done this to me.  I am very used to this diet now but would love to eat fruit
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suzedgar and CarolineC, have you done a parasite cleanse? I did one when I first started the BTD. Was a very good thing and time to do another. Just a thought.



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Thank you to everyone who has responded, and I'm glad this thread has been beneficial to more than just me. I realize there is so much more I need to learn about battling candida... regarding supplements, die-off symptoms, parasites (ICK)... I'm reading the recommended websites and doing my homework. I currently take an all-in-one supplemental liquid that my chiropractor has me on. Here's a link to it (IntraMAX):

http://www.druckerlabs.com/ingredients.php

There is an anti-yeast, anti-parasitic matrix in the formula but as far as I can tell it doesn't list the quantities and am unsure of what to add, if anything. I've taken grapefruit seed extract in the past to fight colds and flu and it was soooooo very bitter, the only way I found to ingest it was with fruit juice, which I assume is forbidden on a anti-candida diet.

Once again, I've got to see my chiropractor and clarify some stuff with her. Thanks for all the help and feedback.
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Bettycakes, if you want to try the grapeseed extract, you can buy that in capsule form.
I have been doing the spit test every morning for a few days and have had pretty good results, HOWEVER, I have had a long history of candida, so I'm going to give the ThreeLac a shot. I'd love to be RID of it! I once knew a woman who always looked like she was crazy, just had that LOOK in her eyes. Come to find out, it was from candida. She had it extremely bad! I've heard it can actually kill you. If that be true, all the more reason to get it under control.



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Grapeseed extract or grapefruit seed extract? Aren't they two different things?

My second spit test was MUCH better than the first. I'm doing it once a week. Maybe I should bump it up to twice a week; I just didn't want to stress myself by doing it every day... like when you are on a weight-loss diet you shouldn't weigh every day as seeing the day-to-day variables can be discouraging.

That's a scary story about that woman you used to know. I bet that nasty candida *was* driving her crazy, poor thing.
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I perssonally haven't done an actual parasite cleanse yet. But am looking into different products, any suggestions? it has to be something  gentle, because I have a really sensitive system.

Bettycakes your product somes great, problem is when I read the  ingredients there were many that were not complient for O nonnie, so  not sure if I should do that. . I am taking a product called Candidase
http://www.enzymedica.com.
It is  easy on the system and doesn't only kill the yeast but takes it out of the system, so that live yeast cannot feed on the dead  yeast. ICK!!
Ever feel like your walking blind in a  room trying to find the door?That is how I feel about now.
Caroline


Sound of the ocean soothes my restless soul
Sound of the ocean rocks me all night long.
Last night in my dream
I saw your face again
We were there in the sun
On a white sandy beach of Hawaii


R.N.who belives in BTD as the  only way
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Quoted from CarolineC
I am taking a product called Candidase
http://www.enzymedica.com.
It is  easy on the system and doesn't only kill the yeast but takes it out of the system, so that live yeast cannot feed on the dead  yeast. ICK!!


Your product sounds interesting as well. I had no idea that live yeast feeds off of itself... ewwwwww! Kind of like candida cannibalism? That's so gross.

Quoted from CarolineC
Ever feel like your walking blind in a  room trying to find the door?That is how I feel about now.
Caroline


Oh yeah, me too! Is this like the blind leading the blind?



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Caroline ~
Is the Candidase working for you?
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Hi all.

This is my first post to this forum.  I'm sorry to hear about your yeast problems.  I have struggled with yeast and have finally gotten better by following an anti-candida diet with BTD recomendations.
 
http://www.yeastconnection.com/yeast.html#questionaire

I keep track of my progress by doing the yeast questionaire at this site.
It's really very detailed and I find it better than doing the spit test.  Do the long, detailed version.  It's a downloadable pdf version.  My original score was 330, and now it's a 56.  

Hope this helps some of you.

Evelyne
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Bettycakes

Your product sounds interesting as well. I had no idea that live yeast feeds off of itself... ewwwwww! Kind of like candida cannibalism? That's so gross.

OL.. well since I am a O, I am used to  being the "hunter", but apparently like any living organism, it will feed on whatever it can get[, I don't think they are civilized, but frankly, I don't feel to civilized about them  either./b]

Oh yeah, me too! Is this like the blind leading the blind?

[b]EXACTLY...I am feeling about how alice did after she fell down the hole!



Namastetmk, this is my second day, so the jury is still out so to speak. but I will let you know.
thanks elam for the website....I will take a look.

Caroline






Sound of the ocean soothes my restless soul
Sound of the ocean rocks me all night long.
Last night in my dream
I saw your face again
We were there in the sun
On a white sandy beach of Hawaii


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