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Okay, so I have recently lost a load of weigh due to a water urinary retention issue

I now can see that I have a bit of fat around my tum. to be honest its not that bad really but seems a bit of a waist not to go that extra mile while I am at it.

so today I though I'd have a little look at what calories (not that I count them or intend to normally) but just to see.

so this today, so far, I had the following

12 Kcal 8 oz glass of water with whole lemon juice

41 Kcal 1/2 grapefruit with

00 Kcal 1 Cup of water

250 Kcal 750 g water melon.

00 Kcal 1 Cup water

139 Kcal 1 cup pomegranate juice

2-4 Kcal 8 oz cup of nettle tea

250Kcal 750g watermelon


1000 Kcal shepherds pie with veg, mash and gravy

133 Kcal packet of crisps

110 Kcal Cadbury's fudge bar

500 Kcal 100 g of chocolate


It soon adds up to a lot doesn't it. I haven't actually eaten these sweets but i would like too and i often do

I wonder how many people eat less good food so they can eat more bad food? easy trap to get into when calorie counting!


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It adds up to 2185 Calories, or 1942 if you don't eat the junk food.

I don't think 2200 Calories is unreasonable for an adult male- I don't know your height or weight. Under 2000 Calories may not be enough for some men. I wonder how many people reach for junk food because they simply haven't eaten enough food for the day.

There can be some value in counting calories in some situations- a recovering anorexic needs to make sure he or she is eating enough, and people who have gotten into the habit of eating too much food may need to see just what they're taking in, so they can take reasonable steps towards reducing total food intake. Somebody who needs to lose a lot of weight, but whose dieting efforts have stalled, may want to count calories for a day or two to see if they're either eating too much, or eating too little and messing up their metabolism.

Some people also like to count calories daily as a way to keep themselves motivated and "in control" of their health, but most people find it annoying and stressful.  I personally don't bother, although once or twice a year I'll put a day's food intake into Fitday and take a look at calories, carbs, and nutrient intake.


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so that would roughly take me to 2500 Kcals but nearly half would be from rubbish. no wonder I lose weight when I eat no sweets lol

now if you eat 4 bags of crisps that's 532 Kcals

250 grams of chocolate is 1250 Kcal

a whole watermelon is 1000 Kcal

and a very big glass of pomegranate would be over 500 Kcal

I don't eat any other additives or sugar or sweeteners etc but if you do they would be added too don't forget.

scary business, eating too much.

a pineapple 155 in a cup. i often eat a whole pineapple which would be probably 600 Kcals? at a guess

I think it is a good idea to just do this once to get real then just be aware of it. counting every calorie would do my head in and make me more obsessive compulsive than i already am lol





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at most i am 12 stone and in the morning at least i weigh 11 stone 10 (on a good day

i am 5 foot 8 inches


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Ruthiegirl, our posts crossed lol but your maths is different to mine lol


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Where do you get 2500 from? The first number (just under 2200) includes the crisps and chocolate, while the other one does not. I'm trying to figure out just how much chocolate is 250 grams, and whether or not it's reasonable for somebody to eat several of them. Do you know what that would be in ounces?

Never mind. You gave your weight in stones, not pounds. I'll have to go dig up a unit conversion website anyway.


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stones to pounds multiply by 14 lol so I'm a max of 168 pounds

check your maths mine is right


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12

41

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250  

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139

2-4

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1000  

133

110  

500

total 2412 ie nearly 2500


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Ok, so you're my weight and 6 inches taller. I'm about 30 pounds overweight, and I'm not sure how much you *should* weigh with an extra 6 inches of height but no boobs. Do you need to gain weight, lose weight, or maintain?


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personally I think I could loose about 2-4 pounds max of fat. but would probably need to build up a bit of muscle.


the other day I ate a whole watermelon and a whole pineapple for example and just did not realise they were so calorific lol

I though it wouldn't matter eating a bag of crisps and chocolate bar as I was not eating much. WRONG! lol

The one good thing though is eating all this fruit my pee has increased to about 1.5 to 2 litres a day which is good for me with my bladder issue at the moment.

I have also decreased my sweet and crisp intake a bit but still a way to go on that. but better is better...


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12 % of carbs in a watermelon?? I wonder if that includes the pips lol


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Are these sweets and crisps full of avoids for you, or just "empty calories"?

If you're already at a healthy weight, I think you should focus on nutrition, not calories. Large amounts of watery fruits might have been just what your body needed with the bladder issues.


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Are these sweets and crisps full of avoids for you, or just "empty calories"? I suspect they are both Ruthie

If you're already at a healthy weight, I think you should focus on nutrition, not calories. Large amounts of watery fruits might have been just what your body needed with the bladder issues.


That's why I have been doing it Darling oxo just a bit of a surprise at the calories but now I know.

I wonder if I increase the amount of normal food I eat, would I still desire the avoids of crisps and chocolate? I suspect so lol

I do also eat a lot of supplements don't forget.

Dr D's polyflora, live cell, polyvite, bromlaine, quercetin, proberry, genoma eq, harmoia delux, ara6,

My own, Cayenne, nettle, saw palmetto, pygeum, turmeric, cranberry, bilberry, rose-hip, elderberry, magnesium, selenium, zinc, urva ursi.




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I wonder if you need more fat in your diet. Perhaps increasing your portions of things like ghee and olive oil would help cut the cravings for junk food.


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No doubt long term that's what I shall do. I would normally have a lot more meat in my diet but the bladder issue is foremost in my mind at the moment.

I did take a teaspoon full of hemp-seed oil yesterday though and will start taking my fish oils again soon. just in the middle of trying other things so don't want to change too much at once.


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PC,

I don't count calories.  Never have and never will.  Why?  
First, I don't know how accurate the "we need X# of calories" is.  It is based on one size fits all diet, and we know how much credence to give that.

Second, I am aware that Dr. D. says a healthy body will find its ideal weight, so as long as what I put in is beneficial or neutral (at worst), then the body will tell me how much it needs - and I find that pretty accurate.

Third, I'd far rather spend the calorie counting time in other ways that are more fun...        

While I respect your effort, I don't know that it provides significant useful information...


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I did say that i wouldn't count calories, it was a one off thing to just check something....


"so today I though I'd have a little look at what calories (not that I count them or intend to normally) but just to see."


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Where do you get 2500 from? The first number (just under 2200) includes the crisps and chocolate, while the other one does not. I'm trying to figure out just how much chocolate is 250 grams, and whether or not it's reasonable for somebody to eat several of them. Do you know what that would be in ounces?

Never mind. You gave your weight in stones, not pounds. I'll have to go dig up a unit conversion website anyway.


a small box of sweets would be 350 g or 3 1/2 100 g bars 100 grams = 4 oz roughly. for example a uni bar weights 59 grams



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I did say that i wouldn't count calories, it was a one off thing to just check something....

sorry...  by the time I got to the bottom of the thread, I didn't remember that it was stated at the top...  !


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Sure, the body will find and know its ideal weight ... the issue for some of us is getting there! ....   BTW, all of Dr D's food lists include frequencies and portion size ... we may not count calories, but we do not get away lightly either ... keeping track of your daily and weekly portions for all food groups, also requires dedication and effort in our part ... eventually it becomes second nature ... so, no complains from this lady ....  




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My best days where when I knew exactly what I could eat all day.. but unfortunetly I had help with my hunger reactions that I can not duplicate for long.

getting a food scale is a good thing, just to be able to measure what foods are.  Visuals are as important as are mere numbers.  It helps to realize that some foods can be hefty, while other items may be able to have more of -for the same calories.

PC you started off this thread with horrid food.. (but are forgiven by your honesty) haha Gosh: All of that list was awful.  There is no need to discuss that. Even good food when over doing is not healthy.

NOW going forward, why not Count the Normal portions of any food only to compare those calories to what you need for healthy eating.

I am your height, and weight, more or less, I am some Explorer, but also Gatherer. and I need to drop weight.

The problem with having lost some weight is not the food you ate just now, but what your body will do soon with the cheats you are eating in future.  The weight you lost might just come back one inch and one pound at a time on the hour or on the day.. and there is near nothing you can do... but walk it off every day... for a full year.  Walk for as long as it takes to get rid of the same calories as the foods you over ate, or ate and cheated outright. And all that walking for a full year.  Walking, standing while working, dancing, playing ball, calisthenics or lifting books over head, swimming and running all that is allowed and a good bike ride might be good also if you are going up hill, and carrying that bike down hill..hahaha yeah! ...

I can only eat 1/3rd of what you might be able to eat, or hunger takes over..
Hunger is my enemy.  It creates all sort of bad behavior. I can not afford to get hungry. (any more)
I would add greens to your sweet juices to give them balance and to stretch them while also getting more minerals and nutrients.

When I am good the little 85% dark chocolate is so strong that I eat only a little.  Any sweet regular chocolate I eat the whole bar, no matter the size, better not to have it around.  And now in the explorer book it tells me that chocolate is avoid.. yakes!

for me 4 oz of meat is enough for lunch and dinner.. even my palm is bigger!!!

As for crisps.. chips or french fries, as we call them, I really avoid them , potatoes is a white food... all white food is only for putting things on it.  Why not just eat the things on it on its own?  Takes all guess work out...

For sweet foods I am currently doing two things.

1) Taking Trehalose complex as my sugar in food or drink and for feeling enthusiastic about life.

2) I eat 1-3 Table spoons of extra light Olive oil a day/washed down with warm water one hour away on either side from any food taste!!!!

It's the food taste that is associated with oil that adds calories.  By taking it alone with water, it has a hunger calming effect.  It calms not only the stomach hunger but also the mind hunger.  Getting or staying upset over anything is much more effectively 'treated' with a spoon of oil.  Why get upset? compulsive? fearful? resentful? out of self control?  ---when such a simple remedy is available to me.        

One thing is for sure, when I eat avoids, my fingers swell first, my face becomes round puffy and moonfaced, and my belly becomes bigger by the mouthful.  Arthritis kicks up, triglycerides and cholesterol, and 'stones' shoot up and also all other numbers get really bad.

If I am good, calorie counting is not needed. I can manage fine....

If I am 'bad', the calories don't need counting either, the effects speak louder than any scale to measure.

The effects of avoids are time delayed by about the time it takes to eat them, after that the hives, the itch, the discomfort starts.  No need to worry about calories, the  body will tell...

When I do the oils (so recently learned) then I am astonishingly able to have good bathroom visits, feel energized, and most of all calm in the head, while the stomach nerves are quiet also... and those calories seem not to matter.  

The problem is only: when I forget the oil 'timing' then I am famished again.  This is going to be a every day -for my life time habit- I need to adhere to, to make it work - perfect .

It takes care of all snaking, bad temper, and wanting junk, and giving in to bad habits...

(So now I am emailing this post to me!  hahaha...  You know the 'why'.

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Just looked this up:  I do not take near that amount of D-Ribose..

The majority of side effects reported from ribose include mild headache, nausea and diarrhea or constipation. Some people have also reported dizziness when taking 10 g or more of ribose on an empty stomach. D-ribose can raise levels of uric acid in your body, so you should avoid taking ribose if you have gout or hyperuricemia, conditions caused by a buildup of uric acid crystals.

The most potentially serious side effect from D-ribose seems to be its effects upon blood sugar. If you are an insulin-dependent diabetic or hypoglycemic, ribose could lower your blood sugar to dangerous levels.

Ribose also isn't recommended if you're pregnant or breast-feeding, as no safe doses have been determined for those conditions.

from live strong website on the subject..  
  

  

  
  


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First, I don't know how accurate the "we need X# of calories" is.  It is based on one size fits all diet, and we know how much credence to give that.


Not necessarily.  The way to find out your caloric needs is to log the calorie content of everything you eat and drink for a few weeks, and weigh yourself during that time.  When you neither gain nor lose weight, you have found your maintenance calories.

Do you SWAMI, ABJoe?  I know that Dr. D must take calories into account because he is calculating portions and providing them in the SWAMI report.

I am currently watching portions and exercising according to my SWAMI recommendations and am losing weight.  I'm at 246 currently and can barely get around, but I'm getting there.
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Second, I am aware that Dr. D. says a healthy body will find its ideal weight, so as long as what I put in is beneficial or neutral (at worst), then the body will tell me how much it needs - and I find that pretty accurate.


Can you elaborate on the bolded part?  

There is more to it than what the body needs.  What about the emotions, the mind, the psyche?  Perhaps, one might be unduly stressed in the mind and want to use food as a crutch and go out and cheat like crazy.  If my mind/psyche/emotional health needs comfort food, is it ok for me to eat off diet simply to appease my mind?

But, to get to your point, how do I really know what my body needs?  Perhaps your goals are different than mine.  I don't really care what my body needs.  It needs food, period.  It says to me "Feed me! Feed me! And make it a TON of food!"  But, if I let my body take control, then I won't ever lose weight and be able to get around comfortably.

It should be more about what my body should have.  Therefore, I must listen to and heed my SWAMI, have mind OVER body, and put it into submission.  Watch my calories, watch my fats, eat my veges, take in enough protein, drink enough water, take proper supplements, exercise, exercise, EXERCISE, the thing many of us don't want to do, and finally see results of weight loss and ease of mobility.
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Yeah. If I "listen to my gut" about how much to eat, I'll add in an extra meal or two per day. I can be healthy that way, but I can't lose weight that way. I need to use my mind to override things, and say "OK, I'm NOT having more than two rice cakes" or "it's 10:00 PM, even though my tummy wants food the answer is still no."

Maybe someday I'll reach a point where I'm healthy, energetic, and at a healthy weight, and then I'll be able to trust my body to give myself what it needs and stop eating when I've had enough. I did that when I was little. I haven't been able to do that again since I stopped growing- in high school, I stopped growing in inches but continued gaining a few pounds each year. I did lose weight before my first wedding, but then I got pregnant right away and I haven't been a healthy weight since. I can't trust my instincts or appetite just yet.


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Do you SWAMI, ABJoe?  I know that Dr. D must take calories into account because he is calculating portions and providing them in the SWAMI report.

Yes, I have SWAMI.  

Yes, I agree that Dr. D. probably uses calorie count in some manner in SWAMI to find portion sizes, etc., but I don't know the specific formula used and whether he is compensating in some manner because their should be no avoids in the diet, etc...


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I am aware that Dr. D. says a healthy body will find its ideal weight, so as long as what I put in is beneficial or neutral (at worst), then the body will tell me how much it needs - and I find that pretty accurate.

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Can you elaborate on the bolded part?  

There is more to it than what the body needs.  What about the emotions, the mind, the psyche?  Perhaps, one might be unduly stressed in the mind and want to use food as a crutch and go out and cheat like crazy.  If my mind/psyche/emotional health needs comfort food, is it ok for me to eat off diet simply to appease my mind?

But, to get to your point, how do I really know what my body needs?

First, In the unbolded portion of the quoted statement, it is stated that as long as what I put in is beneficial or neutral (at worst), so avoids are not in any way part of this statement - and should be avoided at all cost - especially when "craving driven".

Second, targeting portion sizes/frequencies is great.  I guess if calorie counting works for you, great.  For me, when I am eating mostly beneficial with neutral fill-in foods, my body tells me, by way of changing taste, etc. when it has had enough.  I can make the most delicious meal and get close to the end and suddenly the flavor/mouth feel/whatever changes and suddenly, I know that I've had enough even if there is still some left on my plate.  My body even essentially tells me what food type (or even what specific vegetable or protein) it needs for a meal...  Maybe I'm more sensitive than most people, or crazy or whatever - but it works for me.  

I don't know how else the body can find its ideal weight, unless it promotes healthy "demand" and "full" responses for us to follow...  


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