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How many times would you clean a new set of pots and pans before you thought they were safe to use?   I'm like wanting to clean them several times before I use them for some reason.


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Yeah, that's what the directions say.  For some reason I want to do more, like it's got gunk on it or something.  I did that with some plates too.  It took me a couple times before I wanted to eat off of them.  Grrrrr....  I'm just being dumb.


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You're not being dumb   You've learned from past experience to be careful.  Now you just need to separate the circumstances that really do require being extra careful from the ones that don't.  I went through the same kind of thing; I was super anal about everything (dishes, food, what touched what, what I touched, etc.), but eventually it drove me crazy and I made myself start "loosening up".  After a while I realized that I really didn't need to be as careful and protective as I had thought I needed to be.


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I'm learning it, but slowly and some things are hanging on longer than I want.  And I find myself taking it too far.  I really don't like the idea of touching food that I'm not cooking, like rice cakes or lettuce with my hands. Or I'll peel my apples because I have to touch them or someone does.  Every once in a while I'll forgo that rule in my mind because I like to food too much.  Like berries. Although I'm extra careful about mold on my blueberries.  Blackberries have been real good lately.

  If I'm cooking food, touching it doesn't bother me.  Because I know heat kills germs.  But my hands, they have to touch so many things, just to make food.  Handles, door knobs, refrigerator door handles and drawers, packages that has been God knows where, etc etc.  On and on.  But the plain fact of the matter is I know our bodies can handle some bacteria, and do.  I can't make it perfect.  I'm trying a little too hard to.  But thank you for understanding.  It is always so comforting to know someone has struggled with the same thing you're going through.  I keep telling myself certain thoughts that help, but it doesn't always let me completely overcome it.  

Like:  I need to eat more than I need to fret about germs.  And, this is as clean as it's going to get this side of heaven.  Focusing on God's sovereignty (my belief) and so on and so forth.  But yeah, it, gets tiring after a while and sometimes I'm just like, ugh, whatever, I'm too tired and hungry to care.  And other times I go too far with it.  I'm trying to even it all out with a healthy attitude.  I'll get there.  How long did your phase last?  Mine just sort of started this year.  I never used to be like this.  But then I think that there is a possibility that some of my lack of caring of these things in the past COULD have been causing problems.  I don't know.  Like I've said before, a gal at church said she could tell a difference when she started using a veggie wash on her fruits and veggies and Dr.D says to scrub your foods too.  I never used to.  Just a quick wash under water.  Which might be enough, I don't know.  Now I just don't want to chance it.  

Do you use a veggie soap or wash for fruits that you're going to eat the outside of?  That kind of a thing?


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You're supposed to wash them before using them?  

Gee, I though the whole point of buying new pots and pans was so you didn't have to clean the old ones. Whoops, my mistake, that's why you buy new UNDERWEAR.   (or so I thought when I was a whole lot younger.)

Seriously, I wash them once, or just rinse them out if they've been in a sealed box.


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I have underwear older than you.  JUST KIDDNG!  We're the same age.  


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Speaking of pots and pans, I've been reading that non stick isn't healthy to use..that's all  I use at home


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Yeah, it releases chemicals that are in the coating when heated.  I know, it's like what else is there?  Heap on more things that can mess with us.  Stainless steel, and cast iron or glass is pretty much the way to go, for not leaching chemicals.  From what I understand.


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Yeah, I got rid of all my non-stick pans years ago, before DS was born, because I got headaches whenever the pan was heating up.


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The directions on the pots and pans say that you can but them in the dishwasher but over time it can erode the surfaces.  But for some reason I'm wanting to, just because it might give it that extra level of cleaning.  What do you guys think?  At least for the first time, so I can get on to using them.


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If it will erode the surfaces over time, then using the dishwasher ONCE won't do any long-term damage.  If it will ease your mind, go ahead and run them through the dishwasher as the first washing, then hand-wash after each use.


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...How long did your phase last?...
Do you use a veggie soap or wash for fruits that you're going to eat the outside of?  That kind of a thing?


It lasted a couple years.  I wasn't so concerned about veggie soap and stuff like that - it was more about the fear that anything I ingested or even touched would cause some type of reaction.  I wouldn't use other people's dishes because they might be "contaminated" with foods I can't eat, I wouldn't eat anything that wasn't certified gluten free even if it was something like canned vegetables, I wouldn't physically touch or handle foods that I can't eat, I wouldn't use things like soap if it contained soy, oats, etc - that kind of thing.  There are definitely foods that I cannot eat, but I was blaming all kinds of symptoms on cross-contamination and other reasons that I eventually realized weren't really the reasons for the symptoms after all.  It was actually being caused by things like fructose malabsorption and grain intolerance; it just took a couple years to "connect all the dots".

I really think that having that kind of constant fear just made things worse for me - a you-get-what-you-ask-for kind of thing.  It's amazing what the mind can do.  On the one hand, we can destroy ourselves with our minds, but the mind is also a powerful healing tool as well.


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Ruthie, excellent suggestion and it is totally putting my mind at ease about it.  I just did the first little sauce pot and it looks fabulous.  I'll just do it for the first time for peace of mind.

Briny, I'm totally with you.  I've been really easing on the food worries.  I still have them, but I'm going after them really hard and I'm finding out also that foods that I thought were messing with me, really aren't.  I had stopped eggs for a while because I thought I was having reactions to them, but I've eaten 2-1/3 this week and no such problems.  I can relate to touching things.  I have this real hang up with fermented foods right now, because in the past, those are the ones that really kick off hard detox and herxing situations.  So, I've had my kids throw any out that we've had and I have to clean the shelves where they were sitting.  But those have really given my mind the freaks.  I don't have so many other fears about other foods.  Although garlic is kind of scary for me now too.  So there are some.  Or anything moldy!!!!  Hehehe  And then the dishes.  I have no clue why about the dishes.  I just feel like sometimes I'm living in a pig pen, with two little kids running around wiping their noses and who knows what else, grabbing dishes where I grab too, etc etc.  It is hard for me to not worry about the germs.  

But yeah, so much of it is overblown and in my head and it's not helping.  But I'm trying to learn to relax every day and try and overcome something small every day.  Food and germy.  Like last night I was putting some cinnamon in some of my food, and my bowl was somewhat located below the shelf I was taking the cinnamon out of.  And then I noticed a little dust or something on the shelf.  And I was worried about it going into my food as I pulled the cinnamon off of my shelf.  Well, in the past I would've thrown my bowl of food out because it POSSIBLY MIGHT HAVE gotten some dust in there, even though it probably didn't.  So I didn't stress about it and I ate my food.  I didn't see any dust visibly fall off the shelf.  Now if I did, I probably would've been grossed out.  But sometimes just the thought of it possibly happening, even though I didn't see it, would've been enough for me to abandon food mission.  And even if there was dust in it, I doubt it would really mess with me, but you know.  I think one of my problems is I don't like making mistakes, and I always have blamed myself when I ate something that made me feel bad.  Like I should've known better.  I'm overly perfectionist.  It's something I'm working on though.  Control.  I'M NOT IN CONTROL!!!  I just like to think I am sometimes. Yes, our actions can have consequences.  But we can take this too far sometimes.


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I'm overly perfectionist.


Me too!  Or at least I was.  I thought nothing but the absolute best was acceptable, and I'd dwell on past mistakes, letting them eat away at me.  I was really, really hard on myself.  Now I just move forward and leave the past in the past.  I don't even know how that change happened.  Anyway, don't beat yourself up.  Each one of us can be our own harshest critic or our own greatest cheerleader.  If your son had a bad reaction to something, would you tell him that he should have known better or would you try to comfort and encourage him?  Hopefully comfort and encourage.  Why?  Because you love him.  Give yourself an extra dose of self-love.  You can't overdose  


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What about making a list of what you'll except as being clean, eatable,etc. Then read the list, reason on each point decide if it is a legitimate worry.  As you get healthier those worries should lessen. While your fixing food what about wearing plastic gloves like they do at food establishments


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JJ, I see no shame in seeking a little medical help for this level of anxiety or maybe even OCD behavior and thinking.  The hope is that after enough healing that meds won't be needed any longer, but in the meantime it could take away a big challenge that's making it hard to deal with the business of living.  My Prozac is a Godsend in that regard!

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First, I like your new picture, TJ!

Second, medication   (That's just my personal opinion; everyone's different )


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Medication definitely has its place in health care. The problem is that too many people today start with meds before trying lifestyle changes; IMO many people today are over-medicated. However, there are still times when medication is appropriate. When you're doing all the lifestyle changes, but they're only partially helping the problem, then it's time to think about using meds to help control the rest of the symptoms. Then use the smallest effective dose for the shortest amount of time needed. Don't go on 2 meds at once if one will do the trick, and don't use a large dose if a smaller dose is adequate. In chronic conditions, lifestyle changes are often enough to be able to LOWER the need for meds, even if it's not enough to  completely get rid of the need for meds.

Of course the long-term goal is to be healthy without needing any meds. But sometimes in the short term, the options are to be healthy with meds or to be unhealthy without them.


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Of course the long-term goal is to be healthy without needing any meds. But sometimes in the short term, the options are to be healthy with meds or to be unhealthy without them.


I'm not trying to be argumentative or annoying by saying this, it's just something I feel strongly about.  I don't see it as being "healthy with meds"; I see it as being "medicated with meds".  If medication is needed then that signals a lack of health.  Although often difficult, it is much better to dig for a cause of that lack of health and address that cause rather than just covering it up with medication.

I don't really think this is the place to discuss the upsides/downsides of medication since it's a thread about cleaning pots and pans, but in relation to JJR...you said you didn't have this anxiety until fairly recently so it's not like you were born with some sort of "disorder" that requires medication.  That's why I don't see this as a "medication-necessary" situation.  It may be a slow journey, but you've already seen progress.  Health problems can be really confusing, and that in itself can lead to anxiety and ocd behavior.  It did for me, anyway.


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Ok, off topic I know, but I have anxiety and OCD that comes and goes (mainly hypochondria) but id never consider medication...I've found other ways to control it like eating well, exercising and relaxation techniques..meds just mask the symptoms and cause side effects in the long run..I'd rather be med free and anxious than in a happy stupor caused by meds!


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...you said you didn't have this anxiety until fairly recently so it's not like you were born with some sort of "disorder" that requires medication.  That's why I don't see this as a "medication-necessary" situation...
I gotta agree somewhat...although don't want to appear judgmental or generalise

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OK, now a lot to say here.  First off, I put the new frying pan in the dishwasher.  OK, so I've washed it by hand, and dishwasher washed it.  Now when I rub a paper towel over it, gray comes off on the paper towel.  OK, tell me I'm being anal.  Now, maybe that "grey" won't hurt me, but what in the heck is that?  It's some left over residue from when they made it more likely.  

I sprayed some vinegar and water mixture on it to see if that'll get rid of it.  Maybe I'm being anal, but I won't want to eat off of it until I don't see any metal residue being wiped off onto a paper towel.  Is that really all that unreasonable?  I spent a couple of years of my life rubbing glutathione gel on my liver and kidneys to detox heavy metals because my detox system doesn't work all that well.  And wrestling with yeast real bad because of it.  It's not something I'd like to repeat if I didn't have to.  Although I will if I have to.  Plus, the yeast is probably more from mercury than steel, but....  I have no clue.

Drugs, well, I considered it when I was at my worst.  However, I have seen improvement, I'm eating, I'm coping, I'm conquering fears a little at a time.  If I was going backwards, I'd be wanting some.  But at this point, I don't want any.  I see drugs as just compounding the problem and making things more complex.  Because I've talked to people on these types of drugs and what they deal with.  They go on one and it might make them so happy, they're not themselves either.  So what's the difference???  Not completely yourself without drugs or not completely yourself on drugs.  Well, I think the former is better because drugs add acidity to your system and hinder true healing.  End of story.  Yes, I would use them if I had to.  But I don't see it as a need right now.  And I don't see it as "fixing" the problem, but masking it.  And if you mask it, how do you know what to work on?  My friend said one drug made him so even keel, he was bored all the time.  And furthermore, my body is overly sensitive to ANY drug.  Even supplements.  So, they'd be telling me to take 25 mg of something and I'd probably turn into some kind of crazed maniac if I took what they said.  When I take tylenol, I take 1/4 of what they say and I can feel it working.  And that is like once in a blue moon if inflammation is bad enough to scare me or put me in bed.  

I'm not judging anyone who uses drugs.  I have a drug for my heart arrhythmia that I use on an as needed basis.  If it doesn't stop, I can take it.  But one of my goals in life is to not have to take a drug on a long term basis if I don't have to.  For all the above mentioned reasons and more.  

OK, so, back to the subject, what about this grey coming off on my paper towel, is that goofy to worry about that?



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OK, stuff that wipes off onto a paper towel is the kind of thing I'm concerned about, because something that wipes off so easily could clearly get into my food! What I would do, first thing, is rinse the pot with tap water in my sink and then dry it again. Is the gray powder still coming off after a rinsing? If it just rinses off, then the pot is good to go.

If not, wash it off with some mild soap, rinse again, then see if the powder keeps wiping off. I can't imagine any kind of "dishwasher residue" that wouldn't come off with a gentle cleansing. If it didn't, I'd return the pan to the store or complain to the company.

What kind of frying pan is it? Does it have a "non stick" coating? Is it made  from stainless steel or aluminum?


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