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I'm trying desperately to figure out how I can still follow the BTD and abide by at least most of my religious fast for Christmas that starts on the 15th of this month.....so.....
I'm trying to find fish  recipes that I can afford.....in otherwords...will feed us all with maybe a pound of fish.... if I'm going to eat fish 2-3 times a week I can't afford 2lbs or more each sitting to feed the five of us.   So I'm hoping to find some sort of soup or stew recipes that might do the trick....the problem is most call for potatoes (which I know I can switch with turnips- not really a probelm), tomatoes (one of the big no-no's for my dh), or of course milk....I use to use coconut milk to replace which is supposedly one of my avoids on the BTD.....I'm not sure almond milk would do well as a base for a chowder???  So....with that said...it's more important to be O compliant....but I'm hoping to find something that is at least avoiding the big ones for the B's too.....   anyone have suggestions?  I think I've reached the end of my own resources...

For further info...IF you're wondering...we are supposed to avoid all animal products for the fast....except for the few days we are allowed fish (about 2-3 per week) ....we personally made the decision to still use butter as we always felt it was so much healthier than the alternatives. We want to follow this as best we can.  I may allow myself a llittle meat here and there, but I'm looking for main meal dishes to incorporate at least the fish so we can feel like I'm being compliant to both our fast and the BTD.


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I'd suggest making vegetarian foods for the Bs, and open up a can of tuna, salmon, or sardines for yourself. I'd suggest eating as much fish as you're religiously permitted (can you have fish for more than one meal on those days? Are there exceptions for medical reasons, such as your attempts at inducing fertility, or pg women if you do conceive by then?) The grocery money will go further if you're only buying fish for one, instead of buying fish for 5. Or you can do that in addition to preparing fish chowder for the whole family. The best way to "stretch" animal protein is to combine it with beans in the same meal.

As for beans and nuts, I'd suggest simply following the list of allowed beans for Os, and preparing that for the whole family. It's going to be too much hassle to make a "red bean dish for them and a black bean dish for yourself" and none of them are interested in BTD right now anyway.

I'm assuming that, since you do this every year, you've already got tons of vegan recipes on hand?

For a milk substitute, I'd suggest making your own almond milk. You can make it extra creamy by using less water, and then it will more closely resemble the consistency of coconut milk. There have been numerous discussions about almond milk on this forum before, and the taste differences between almond milk made from whole almonds (tastes more like milk) vs "almond butter milk" made from almond butter blended with water (tastes more like almond butter). Depending on what kind of flavor you're looking for in the final dish, you may prefer using one or the other.


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ruthiegirl, you always have great suggestions.

For potato substitutions, I think B's can do sweet potatoes.  There are varieties beyond jewel yam that look like regular potatoes but have a different flavor.  Japanese yam is a good example.  Cream-ish white flesh with a burgundy skin.  It's my favorite variety of sweet potato.

For tomatoes, there is a recipe in the database to make a substitute from a combination of beets and carrots.  I believe some have said it's pretty good.




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Pureed squash can thicken soups and stews and give an orange color to the mix. It's not the exact same flavor as tomato, but works well as a sub in many recipes.


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cod is a neutral for all, right? even a beneficial

bone soup no matter if meat protein has no lectins, as opposed to poultry as in chicken, so there you have all the options possible for all the BTs in your family....or use turkey instead of chicken broth


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a fish soup with turkey broth and finished with cream, whole cream, could be fine with tilapia or halibut or cod (check compliance) and maybe hannah sweet potatoes (whitish)....(cream is fine for B's and neutral for O's)
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Quoted from organicmom3

For further info...IF you're wondering...we are supposed to avoid all animal products for the fast....except for the few days we are allowed fish (about 2-3 per week) ....we personally made the decision to still use butter as we always felt it was so much healthier than the alternatives. We want to follow this as best we can.  I may allow myself a llittle meat here and there, but I'm looking for main meal dishes to incorporate at least the fish so we can feel like I'm being compliant to both our fast and the BTD.


If they've made the personal decision to include butter, then it sounds to me that other dairy products, such as cream and cheese, wouldn't be options. And I'm assuming that poultry broth would similarly not be appropriate for their fast.

It sounds to me like a vegan diet, supplemented with fish (as the only animal product allowed) for a few meals.


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If they've made the personal decision to include butter, then it sounds to me that other dairy products, such as cream and cheese, wouldn't be options. And I'm assuming that poultry broth would similarly not be appropriate for their fast.

It sounds to me like a vegan diet, supplemented with fish (as the only animal product allowed) for a few meals.


Correct!  Thanks for noticiing that, but I do appreciate the thoughts and can use most of them in a nonfasting time.  I can probably use the squash idea though rather than tomatoes.  I wouldn't open canned tuna for myself as we don't do canned meats....we try to get wild caught and as fresh as possible..... my family CAN eat the fish....I WON"T if I do get pregnant...but until then I'll eat it a couple times a week, but again, because of the mercury, etc. I wouldn't eat it more than once a day....as good as it is for us for some reasons, it's not so good for others...Such a shame.
I do appreciate your time and these suggestions though so if anyone has anymore, I'd love to hear them!  And yes, I do have vegan recipes....unfortunately the ones I relied on all these years mostly contain pastas and tomatoes (pasta I cant have and tomatoes are big on the list for b's....while I"m not worried to much about the b's I'm trying to limit the big avoids as much as possible since my dh plays a part in this increasing fertility too!)
Anyway, thanks again!


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Why not substitute rice pasta for the wheat pasta you used to make? Also, I've found that many (though not all) pasta dishes work just fine with cooked brown rice. Call it a "risotto" instead of a "pasta dish" but keep everything else the same.


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Parsnips and white sweet potatoes (which are not quite as sweet) are good substitutes for regular potatoes.  I use rice pasta, there are some good ones now.  
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Why not substitute rice pasta for the wheat pasta you used to make? Also, I've found that many (though not all) pasta dishes work just fine with cooked brown rice. Call it a "risotto" instead of a "pasta dish" but keep everything else the same.


oooh....good idea about the rice....I'll think about that....though most of those dishes have tomatoes....do you think my dh could handle one tomato dish a week if he's just using the diet for fertility right now? That's probably not something anyone knows....


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Parsnips and white sweet potatoes (which are not quite as sweet) are good substitutes for regular potatoes.  I use rice pasta, there are some good ones now.  


I've never seen a hite sweet potato......interesting....but probably can't find them around here.


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