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http://www.grandpappy.info/rsugar.htm

I guess I'm thinking, How bad can it really be?  It's boiled down beet water.  From personal experience, cane sugar gives me heart palpitations.  Chocolate made specifically with beet sugar doesn't bother me like that.

Has anybody tried making beet sugar?  I'm considering growing some beets this winter anyway because the greens are good for me and the roots are good for DH.


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how do you imagine that to be done?  

My Swami said beet leaves is good, but nothing about beets.. I wonder if the sugar is the issue.. like carrots to, not super

I would love such colorful sugars.. I could see it in ice-cream.. I inherited on ice-cream maker, but I think the book is missing.. how does one make it from scratch?  

how does one make sugar??? from beets?  I have a thingy to dry fruit with, but could I just cook the carrots or beets and use that water to let dry in the fruit preserver/drier?  Interesting idea.. and use the pulp in ice-cream.. I mean they make carrot cake.. or tomato soup cake!  

I love banana chips.. made in the dehumidifyer..  


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It seems like beet sugar would be better for you if you haven't refined all the other nutrients out of it.
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The directions for making beet sugar are in the link above.  I already drink the cooking water from beets....and I drink beets juiced with other vegetables.  How could it be any worse to boil it down until it crystallizes?


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So sorry I overlooked the link..

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It seems like beet sugar would be better for you if you haven't refined all the other nutrients out of it.


I don't think it would do it, if one would think of ways to incorporat what we learned here.. and adapt the ways and means .. ..  


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really this is sooooo fun.
99 % of all sugar in DK comes from sugar beets ( no it is not regular beets
This the most boring kind of sugar to be found on earth...so I would never ever bother making sugar out of it.

Growing sugar beets are a hazzle as well- they need to be either sprayed with peticided  a lot or weeded by hands lots of times.
Ive got plenty of sugar beet fields around me.

and no I don belive that sugar from beets are any better or worse than sugar from canes.


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I think she's talking about making sugar from regular beets, not sugar beets.
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Because she isn't busy enough already!  
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I think agree if there where a way to use food to spice up other foods is on interesting idea..

Like making smoothies with beets added? or carrots added, not as carrot smoothies which are delsih, but some other food smoothy with 1 carrot added for sweetness?

what maybe using grated carrots, dry them and keep them sprinkled over foods at a later date in place of cheese?

I love the way things come from some idea and diversions follow..  

As for work, sometimes a new work is bette rthen the old misery.. sometimes anything to forget the reality of life.. especially some of what Ribbit experiences..  

BUYING the sugar might be easier?? purer? but does it have to be so pure?? interesting ..  


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, TJ.  It's true, I have a lot going on right now.  

But if I've got a garden, which I do, and I'm going to plant beets anyway, which I am, then why not plant some sugar beets and see if I can make sugar?  Yes, I can buy it, but I'd rather use honey or agave.  BUT, if I made it myself from what grows in the backyard, it would be fun to try.  Henriette, I weed by hand anyway, and mulch heavily....and they wouldn't necessarily have the same problem here as they do there.  I have less problems than a standard farm with insects because I do companion planting, crop rotation and I plant a diversity of species.

Maybe it's the ISTJ in me.  I guess I think if something can be done myself, I'd like to learn how.  You know, just to see if it can be done.


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As for work, sometimes a new work is bette rthen the old misery.. sometimes anything to forget the reality of life.. especially some of what Ribbit experiences..  

BUYING the sugar might be easier?? purer? but does it have to be so pure?? interesting ..  


Yes, Goldie.  Quite true.  It keeps me distracted from the reality of chronic pain and chronic illness.  I told my husband several months ago, when he said, "Why are you doing so much?" I shot back, "Because, when I stop moving, I will die."  Then we had another argument about it last night.  He thinks I'm wearing myself out.  I reiterated that it gives me something to do so I quit worrying about everything. If I'm distracted and my time is filled up making things, teaching children, putting food in the freezer and pulling weeds, I don't have to think about how bad off I really am.  And because I don't feel time passing, it gives me a sense of the passage of time when there's stuff to do, even if it's self-imposed and self-created and seemingly a waste of time to everybody else.

Even the organic beet sugar probably uses chemicals to bleach it white.  


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As for work, sometimes a new work is bette rthen the old misery.. sometimes anything to forget the reality of life.. especially some of what Ribbit experiences..  

BUYING the sugar might be easier?? purer? but does it have to be so pure?? interesting ..  


Yes, Goldie.  Quite true.  It keeps me distracted from the reality of chronic pain and chronic illness.  I told my husband several months ago, when he said, "Why are you doing so much?" I shot back, "Because, when I stop moving, I will die."  Then we had another argument about it last night.  He thinks I'm wearing myself out.  I reiterated that it gives me something to do so I quit worrying about everything. If I'm distracted and my time is filled up making things, teaching children, putting food in the freezer and pulling weeds, I don't have to think about how bad off I really am.  And because I don't feel time passing, it gives me a sense of the passage of time when there's stuff to do, even if it's self-imposed and self-created and seemingly a waste of time to everybody else.

Even the organic beet sugar probably has chemicals to bleach it white.  I can't imagine that white crystals come out of red beet juice.  I can think of another analogy where that's true, but probably not with beets.


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Henriette, I weed by hand anyway, and mulch heavily....and they wouldn't necessarily have the same problem here as they do there.


to be honest I think it is tooo much hazzle

Why not keep some bees instead


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Yes, Goldie.  Quite true.  It keeps me distracted from the reality of chronic pain and chronic illness.  I told my husband several months ago, when he said, "Why are you doing so much?" I shot back, "Because, when I stop moving, I will die."  Then we had another argument about it last night.  He thinks I'm wearing myself out.  I reiterated that it gives me something to do so I quit worrying about everything. If I'm distracted and my time is filled up making things, teaching children, putting food in the freezer and pulling weeds, I don't have to think about how bad off I really am.  And because I don't feel time passing, it gives me a sense of the passage of time when there's stuff to do, even if it's self-imposed and self-created and seemingly a waste of time to everybody else.

Even the organic beet sugar probably has chemicals to bleach it white.  I can't imagine that white crystals come out of red beet juice.  I can think of another analogy where that's true, but probably not with beets.


I get it Ribbit...sometimes the distraction of making something, doing something or simply
living in the moment changes the dialogue we're having with ourselves.  As someone who has
battled chronic Lyme for so long, I totally get where you're coming from...  Yes, it's probably easier and cheaper to buy beet sugar.... but how satisfying it would be to actually make a batch from scratch.  If you make it, let us know how it turns out.



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Quoted from Ribbit
Even the organic beet sugar probably has chemicals to bleach it white.  I can't imagine that white crystals come out of red beet juice.



Sugar beets have mostly white flesh instead of red.

But the syrup from sugar beets does not appear white.

Sucrose crystals are white if they are free of contaminants.
White refined sugar from the grocery store is 99.9% pure sucrose.
No bleach is necessary to make it appear white.


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My Swami said beet leaves is good, but nothing about beets..


SWAMI should have three different ratings for beets:

** Beet Greens (Live foods)
** Beets (Live foods)
** Beet juice (Under beverages)

Note that one should not ordinarily drink beet juice by itself-instead mix it with other juices.

Also note that beets are high in oxalic acid-so do not combine beets or beet juice with things high in calcium.

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I assumed rating for beet juice was a rating for beetroot juice rather than juice made from the greens, but I may be wrong.


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When you are buying sugar beet seed you should check that is not GMO.


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I have some that I bought sitting in my cupboard.  I read too that it was GMO.  I was like.  


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I think she's talking about making sugar from regular beets, not sugar beets.

In order to get a high quantity of sugar, you need to use sugar beets...  

Full grown sugar beets can be as large as 12 inches in diameter.

When grown in a field, the seeds are sown rather thickly and when about 3-4 inches tall, thinned to allow the beets to grow to optimum size.  To harvest, the tops are cut off, then the beets are dug and put in a truck for transport to the sugar factory.  As C-sharp said, they are a white beet.  When you suck on a slice of the beet, you can taste the sugar seeping out of it.


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I've heard of sugar beets, but have not seen them in stores. And why isn't beet sugar red?


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I've heard of sugar beets, but have not seen them in stores. And why isn't beet sugar red?

Sugar beets aren't typically sold in the produce section because normal people aren't interested in making their own sugar when they can go a few aisles over and buy it for $1/lb. or less.

Sugar beets are white, not red...


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Ahhh, that explains it!


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Note that one should not ordinarily drink beet juice by itself-instead mix it with other juices.


I agree, but I can not explain why, even beetroot, carrot and ginger juice can give me a nauseous rush... beetroot and pineapple juice would do the same, why is this?
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Several issues on the beetroot.

Beets detoxify the blood, liver, kidneys and bladder-you should only detox to much at once.

Beets contain a lot oxalic acid and this binds minerals like magnesium and calcium. Sometimes there is a side effect to this.

Nitric acid in the beetroot juice causes the blood vessels to dilate and alters blood flow in the body.


There is also the possibility of beet allergies.


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I remember a mention from a TV documentary on making sugar (Modern Marvels, perhaps?) that sugar beets are not entirely safe for consumption as-is.
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Y'all have given me a lot to think about.  After reading what's here, I think what I'll do is grow regular beets, eat/juice them, and with the extras see if I can make some (pink?) sugar just to see if I can, even if it's a small amount.  I don't even have sugar in the house except during the summer to feed hummingbirds (isn't that awful of me?  I won't give it to the kids, but I'll feed it to the birds).  So even if boiling down a pot of beets gives me one cup of sugar, well....it's not a great loss because I don't use sugar anyway.  It's more an experiment.  


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If I'm distracted and my time is filled up making things, teaching children, putting food in the freezer and pulling weeds, I don't have to think about how bad off I really am.

I understand both sides of this "argument" since I have lived with it...  The problem I had with continuing to push is that I was continuously pushing right to the edge of exhaustive collapse...  Once I accepted that I needed to stop pushing to the edge, I realized how completely I was suppressing the body's complaints...  Unfortunately, when the body is always pushed to the edge, it doesn't have enough energy to heal.  It seems that the longer the body lives right at the edge, the more completely the exhaustion becomes, so the longer the healing process will ultimately be once you allow yourself to slow down...

I'm not going to try to tell you what is more important, just some of the things I've noticed through the process.


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The problem I had with continuing to push is that I was continuously pushing right to the edge of exhaustive collapse...  Once I accepted that I needed to stop pushing to the edge, I realized how completely I was suppressing the body's complaints...  Unfortunately, when the body is always pushed to the edge, it doesn't have enough energy to heal.  It seems that the longer the body lives right at the edge, the more completely the exhaustion becomes, so the longer the healing process will ultimately be once you allow yourself to slow down...
Agreed.  It's good to be productive here and now, but we need a bit left over for tomorrow, too, and if we're sick, we need more than "a bit".
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Yes, I understand this.  I'll be better tomorrow.  No, actually, I'll have to start doing better Tuesday because tomorrow I have a lot I "have" to do.


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What, doing stuff?  Well, here's the thing.  At the community garden I started (because I had the energy), one of the volunteers (retired engineer) rigged up an elaborate watering system.  I turned it on Saturday night and forgot to turn it off when I left.  I remembered it late this morning.  I worried the whole field would be flooded, but when I drove over there this afternoon, nary a drop was to be seen and all the plants are nigh unto dying.  So tomorrow morning I have to first call and cancel the trip to the chiropractor, then go to the garden and see what I can do about the soaker hoses (while trying to keep track of the children), and then Rebecca (our newbie here on the forums, "benandbecca") is coming tomorrow afternoon.  And sometime tomorrow I have to clean up the kids' room so they can all play in there tomorrow evening.


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Because they can't walk across it without getting hurt.  And they can't clean it up without supervision because they have ADD.  I have hesitated to admit that.  I do not believe it's just "regular kid attitude".  If I tell Ethan (6) to pick up the toys, he draws a complete blank and has no idea what to do.  My husband says, "He's a boy.  YOu have to tell him something specific.  Not a general instruction."  So I have to say, "Pick up all the cars.  Yeah, those too.  Now pick up the books.  Now pick up the Legos.  Now pick up the rest of the cars you missed earlier."  It's the only way it can get done.  I have tried and tried to say, "Clean up the floor.  Whatever's left in half an hour is going in a bag and I will give it away."  It doesn't work.  I have even followed through with it.  But I cannot blame them because I was the same way when I was little.  I could not see what was directly in front of me, even with the threat of a spanking.  My mom would say, "Pick that up, or I will spank you."  So even with the knowledge that I was about to be punished for "not seeing something", it didn't help me see it because I was NOT ABLE TO---because of sensory overload.  To this day I cannot see if my ears are engaged.  I cannot hear if my hands are engaged.  I cannot work with my hands if my ears are engaged.  Did I have trouble taking notes in school? You betcha.  Some of us cannot multitask.  It's called ADD.  In my case it probably goes beyond ADD.  So when presented with a room full of a dozen different types of items to sort and put away, my middle two children cannot do it.  They can't think that way.  I have to literally sit down with them and tell them one thing at a time to pick up, or they get very overwhelmed.  And when there's tears, I get overwhelmed.  And when Mommy's overwhelmed, she just needs to stop and forget the toys.


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OK, gotcha.

I do want to point out, however, that for a 6yo, it's perfectly appropriate to have to say "pick up all the cars" and then "pick up all the dolls" and then "pick up that lone lego and put it in the lego box" rather than "clear the floor." It's not necessarily a sign of ADD for a child that young to need specific directions. In fact, I'd go as far to say that it's normal for 6 and 7 year olds to need those kinds of specific instructions and supervision, but the occasional child is able to do so alone.


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Okay, that makes me feel better.   Thanks.


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Ribbit-True having kids with ADHD/ADD and then having it yourself is hard. I know Case in point-Me and my husband have it and so do 3 of our kids. BUT in the same instance HE and I can multitask very well. to a point. Three things at once is fine until it is time for me to do the bills and it takes all of the mental power I can muster. My kids know when I am doing the bills, Mom is a bit irritable and not very nice. They leave me alone. But otherwise like you, I give specific tasks and break the larger into smaller even for the younger teens agers. I give them steps to complete. No more than 1-2 tasks at a time. Then a small reward. What you are having trouble with is executive function and it takes a very well worn path to get it down and lots of structure. I hate structure. But for my kids I have to have it.

I totally sympathize... Give the kids a chance in their 'piece' of the garden or their pot and they will learn.


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