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Cheers! A Toast to the Benefits of Red Wine


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Cheers! You’ll be happy to know that when enjoyed in moderation, red wine is a neutral or beneficial for all blood types. Raise a glass to the many benefits this elixir offers:



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I recently stopped buying red wine because I realized I was abusing it.  Too bad it's a diamond on my SWAMI.  But, the money I was spending on it was ridiculous, and I think the over-indulgence was causing a bit of depression, not to mention the possible adverse affects on my liver.  On the plus side, now I'm not consuming the extra calories, too, as I'm gearing up to lose weight (again!).
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I recently stopped buying red wine because I realized I was abusing it.  Too bad it's a diamond on my SWAMI.  But, the money I was spending on it was ridiculous, and I think the over-indulgence was causing a bit of depression, not to mention the possible adverse affects on my liver.  On the plus side, now I'm not consuming the extra calories, too, as I'm gearing up to lose weight (again!).


Great that you have the awareness to recognize that. I've been there, too.

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we don't need the gallons... but some glasses ...

as always tried to point out..here the eneagram is working amazingly...all about..the why's and what's about our integration of the shadows and  of course also the *persona*'s sides ....
Adam and Averno... I think first we need to have anderstood the patterns, needs but also the oposite side effects of judgings... when it comes to a judgement...then ther's separation and this needs to come along with even more pressure... to feel *ok* !!!


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Swami helped me gain an appreciation for wine (before that I wouldn't have wasted the calories on alcohol)  Those health benefits are hard to find in other foods, would red grape juice contain the same?
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I've been eating these black seedless grapes I've been finding at the store lately, so maybe I'm getting the same benefits.  I just think really that I've been depending on the alcohol as a stress reliever from work tension.  Honestly, just following my SWAMI and taking the 3-pack is all that I need.  I just got back from lunch at home and really am feeling a buzz just from the great food and the good things Dr. D puts in the Warrior 3-pack.
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I have about half a glass once a week. For a short time, I was having half a glass every night, but I didn't feel particularly good during that time, so I stopped. I skipped my usual wine the past 2 Friday nights because I was ill and didn't think my body needed the extra stress.


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Also wanted to mention that red wine also increases my appetite, so then I'll eat more, which then defeats the purpose of losing/maintaining weight.  I have addiction issues anyway (runs rampant in my family) so if I have it around, I'm always going "Oh, well, it's a diamond, won't hurt me, let's have another..."  Sorry if this is turning into Adam's personal therapy thread.  But, maybe others (especially other Warriors) here can relate to what I'm saying.
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It seems ideal for me to limit my wine to a couple of glasses per week maximum.  More than that and I don't feel as well...


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Also wanted to mention that red wine also increases my appetite, so then I'll eat more, which then defeats the purpose of losing/maintaining weight.  I have addiction issues anyway (runs rampant in my family) so if I have it around, I'm always going "Oh, well, it's a diamond, won't hurt me, let's have another..."  Sorry if this is turning into Adam's personal therapy thread.  But, maybe others (especially other Warriors) here can relate to what I'm saying.


No family history, but for me personally... ditto to everything you've said. I think entering the commitment with BTD/GTD allowed me to take control of many areas of my life. All underscored by the realization that we are in control and as strong as we choose to be.

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The key is "in moderation." For some people, moderation means 2 glasses a night. For others, moderation means one glass a month, or one glass twice a year. Other people just don't do "moderation" well at all and need to completely abstain.


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I drink a couple ounces of red wine almost every day - half and half with water.  I also eat some dark chocolate every day.  I could give up the wine a lot easier than the chocolate      

You can buy alcohol free red wine - or PURPLE Concord grape juice.  Make sure it is 100% Concord grape juice, though.  And it should be organic if at all possible since grapes grown "conventionally" have rather high pesticide residues.    

Adam, I do not think the black seedless grapes in the store have the same amount of benefits as Concord grapes.  However, any dark colored fruit has lots of good anti-oxidants and if grapes are on your beneficial or even neutral list they will be healthful for you.  That is as I understand it.  


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It seems ideal for me to limit my wine to a couple of glasses per week maximum.  More than that and I don't feel as well...


Same here. A few years ago, I seriously questioned my ability to moderate it and quit for a month just to find out. It was tough. Once I was satisfied that "I could quit at any time", I returned to 2-3 glasses per night. All the symptoms Adam mentioned returned, including the sense that it was a crutch. A siren call, at any rate. Once BTD was underway, the siren disappeared. I can now enjoy a glass or two once or maybe twice a week, and not feel that I'm on a slippery slope. It's just so obvious that I feel better with moderation in everything.


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Adam, I do not think the black seedless grapes in the store have the same amount of benefits as Concord grapes.  However, any dark colored fruit has lots of good anti-oxidants and if grapes are on your beneficial or even neutral list they will be healthful for you.  That is as I understand it.  


Grapes are superfoods for me.  There's also blackberries (diamond), I hate the seeds, but I tolerate them.  Prefer blueberries, but they are neutral, but really believe them to be borderline superfood.
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Same here. A few years ago, I seriously questioned my ability to moderate it and quit for a month just to find out. It was tough. Once I was satisfied that "I could quit at any time", I returned to 2-3 glasses per night. All the symptoms Adam mentioned returned, including the sense that it was a crutch. A siren call, at any rate. Once BTD was underway, the siren disappeared. I can now enjoy a glass or two once or maybe twice a week, and not feel that I'm on a slippery slope. It's just so obvious that I feel better with moderation in everything.




Averno...thanks for your comments in this thread.    Did you feel like after starting back on wine for a while that depression started creeping back in to your life?  That's what happens to me.  Of course, on the first glass of the day, I feel like having a party, then drink another glass, overeat, sing and dance etc.  Then next day I just feel down (a bit hungover, I'm guessing).  To me... the slight depression, significant monetary cost, and added calories are all detractors that outweigh the benefits.  I also have a tendency to cheat thinking "Oh, it's ok, I'll have this pork or beef, and the red wine will fix it."  Messed up logic there, but it happens.

As far as benefits of red wine go...

Quercetin... from a website:  "The best fruit sources of quercetin, as well as other flavonoids, are the deep, dark red and purple fruits."  I have blueberries, blackberries, cherries and assorted juices that are superfood/neutral so I do have choices other than red wine.  

Antioxidants...

http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/20-common-foods-most-antioxidants

Nearly everything on that list is on my SWAMI.

Resveratrol...

http://www.livescience.com/39125-foods-good-sources-resveratrol.html

All of those are on my SWAMI.  I also take Activator which has Resveratrol.

So, really, I don't need red wine.  I can find the benefits from other less addicting sources.
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Averno...thanks for your comments in this thread.    Did you feel like after starting back on wine for a while that depression started creeping back in to your life?  That's what happens to me.  Of course, on the first glass of the day, I feel like having a party, then drink another glass, overeat, sing and dance etc.  Then next day I just feel down (a bit hungover, I'm guessing).  To me... the slight depression, significant monetary cost, and added calories are all detractors that outweigh the benefits.  I also have a tendency to cheat thinking "Oh, it's ok, I'll have this pork or beef, and the red wine will fix it."  Messed up logic there, but it happens.




First I will say that when I do have wine I really enjoy it.  White is an avoid for me, so that sort of limits it to only once per week with lamb (the only red wine food I'm allowed). For some reason I can't drink wine socially at all-- it doesn't lubricate so much as it muddles. It might be the sugar or sulfites because hard liquor in moderate amounts leaves me neither muddled, wanting more, or hungover (though I've never tested that over the long run).

To your question, yes, the negatives are persistent, yet Bacchus is happy to snuggle. I seem to recall that you're a foodie, which doesn't help matters either. What worked for me initially was to enjoy fizzy, not too sweet and somewhat challenging Kombucha with meals. Save the big red for that special meal.




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in cultures with a long tradition of wine (not the U.S) the wine is served with food and is often a bit lower in alcohol than some we drink.But is served frequently....people get used to it at the table, at home...kids even. There is less abuse in that situation. Our country has a history of puritanism (founders) that runs through it, which may make it hard for us to be moderate, in that we already feel guilty or uncomfortable indulging, seeing it as "bad" so when we do it, we are "being bad"...? And then we seem to like being bad.....etc.
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