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My Swami says strong de-emphasis on gluten. Yet it says beneficails are

Wheat, Bulgur  
Wheat, Sprouted ◊

And neutral

Wheat, Puffed  
Wheat, Whole Grain  
Wheat, Whole Grain Emmer  
Wheat, Whole Grain Kamut  
Wheat, Whole Grain Spelt  

But white wheat isn't listed under the avoids

Wheat, Bran, Germ  
Wheat, Durum, Semolina, Couscous  

This is rather confusing. I've stopped eating wheat for around a year, entirely. I'm sure I've accidentally consumed something. I did so because it typically makes me ravenously hungry, my never ending bladder irritation can be much worse with it, beer makes me paranoid and depressed unless it's gluten free, I seemed like I was hypothyroid as a kid (fat, chubby face, bad teeth, low energy by the time I was a teen), and being constipated my whole childhood.

But I'm struggling because I feel freaking awful, and as you know, have a never ending sinus issue. Wheat is confusing because it can act like insulin so that seems super beneficial since my body is a piece of expletive deleted that refuses to release the stuff. That I assume is why swami keeps telling me it's good. Taking big spoonfuls of cinnamon sometimes helps me feel better. In the past whey based cheeses did really good things. But now I seem to just feel terrible, and nothing helps a lot. I somewhat want to eat wheat for that but am afraid it'll screw me up. It's like my body doesn't want to release insulin so wheat should be good, but it might be really bad... so I need the one thing I should stay away from? Is that what Swami is telling me?
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if you need to eat gluten free so you can't have any grains containing gluten !!!!Doesn't bother how it is named ....


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What about the other gluten grains like barley and rye?

Sprouted grains seem one step ahead of their non sprouted counter parts

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You might have eliminated the one food group that could be healing.  Maybe just buy sprouted wheat bread...and bulgur....eat just those two wheat
products and see what happens......give it a few weeks....work on avoiding all toxins...focus on gut health....drink plenty of water....make sure to eat from every food group and rotate foods....lose the beer or cut in half, if it's not on your food list...focus on vegetables, eat healthy fats/nuts/seeds...start your day with lemon juice/water/pinch of sea salt...

Might help to start a food diary....go back and compare how you feel now vs making some changes.

Try a few weeks of beneficials with just some neutrals....

and keep us posted.

Sometimes we make  food changes that don't really benefit us....or thinking a food is bothering us when it's really something else.

If you've been off wheat for a year with no benefits....and feel worse....start again...Look at your SWAMI list with fresh eyes....go food shopping and try a new approach...On your dinner plate should be 1/2 or more vegetables....1/4 protein....and probably less than 1/4 grains.  Snacks... nuts/seeds/low glycemic fruits/berries....good fats like avocado....That should be filling....Make sure to actually use your fat portions...olive oil, flax/borage/whatever is on your list...they help provide energy.  You need good fats to burn body fat.

If you're hungry, try Type A protein powder and make a smoothie.  Filling and provides good amino acids our bodies need.

Would you mind sharing a day or two of what you've generally been eating?  How much gluten free beer do you drink?  How much water, coffee, green tea or water do you drink in a day?


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Zero beer
Sometimes one cup of water processed decaf coffee
Green tea not often, once a month because of caffeine
Water, somewhat often

Rye and Barley are neutral


I've got some other reasons to think why being of wheat may be doing something particularly good for me. But that doesn't mean I feel good.
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Zero beer
Sometimes one cup of water processed decaf coffee
Green tea not often, once a month because of caffeine
Water, somewhat often

Rye and Barley are neutral


I've got some other reasons to think why being of wheat may be doing something particularly good for me. But that doesn't mean I feel good.


How is green tea listed?  My DH Warrior husband was told to drink 5 cups of green tea
per day.  It's got theanine in it which is calming....and offsets some of the issues people
have with caffeine. I'm SUPER sensitive to caffeine...so much so that I can't drink any
coffee....but green tea, even before bed....it's calming...

That's what I was trying to explain...Sometimes when we make adjustments to our SWAMI and don't follow it exactly for a reasonable amount of time, we think we know what's
bothering us....one food, one beverage....something....but in the end, I find SWAMI to be
more correct than not...

Read about why you might benefit from lots of green tea....good for weight loss.

http://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2006/1/report_theanine/page-01

My husband is a tall thin Warrior....drinks 4-5 cups of green tea every day....eats some wheat....lots of spelt... is always hungry but clearly burning his food...Has a lot of diabetes on his mother's side....fortunately, his blood sugar is fairly normal...

WATER can help with weight loss....and you answered "somewhat, often"....How
much water IS that per day that you consume?  If you get UTIs often, you're likely under hydrated... you have to keep drinking water to eliminate toxicity.  Maybe add cranberry
extract to your water.

https://authoritynutrition.com/drinking-water-helps-with-weight-loss/

Rethink green tea and the amount of your intake of pure water...You should be drinking water every few hours all day long.......pure water... add lemon.  The shift told my husband to add lemon to all his water....helps the body to stay alkalized....probably
has other benefits...

As for the wheat....your choice....just a suggestion I made to follow SWAMI as written
for a few weeks to see if you feel any better at all...


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I don't like how the caffeine makes me feel. Yerbe Mate is a guarantee for an entire adrenal crash and maybe not sleeping until it's about time for me to get up.

I'm not sure if I've ever had a UTI. Only once in my life could I say maybe.

I've got no idea how to quantify water amounts. I'm sure I drink enough. I make an effort to consume it.
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My Swami says strong de-emphasis on gluten.


To move all gluten items to avoid: Check both strongly avoid and moderately avoid for Gluten.

If a food item is not eliminated when both gluten check boxes are checked, than the food database does not have the food item marked as containing gluten.

--

Someone mentioned sprouted grain above might be considered gluten free.  In the SWAMI food database  "Wheat, Sprouted"  is considered to be a gluten containing food.





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Maybe you need the taurine that's in the wheat, especially if you're avoiding red meat.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I don't like how the caffeine makes me feel. Yerbe Mate is a guarantee for an entire adrenal crash and maybe not sleeping until it's about time for me to get up.

I'm not sure if I've ever had a UTI. Only once in my life could I say maybe.

I've got no idea how to quantify water amounts. I'm sure I drink enough. I make an effort to consume it.


I don't know what you meant by saying you had "never ending bladder irritation"....


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I don't know what you meant by saying you had "never ending bladder irritation"....


It's like I never have relaxation because I always have minor irritation. Once for a few days in a row I didn't. I never slept so good in my whole life. Sometimes I feel irritated immediately after going. Sometimes I pee clear till I'm dehydrated if I've had the wrong thing, like regular coffee.

I can just feel it all the time. Except on those few days where I only felt anything if I had to pee. And during those few days I'd pee for a lot longer and then feel done when I was done. It was utterly amazing.

Been this way for as long as I know... childhood etc.
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It's like I never have relaxation because I always have minor irritation. Once for a few days in a row I didn't. I never slept so good in my whole life. Sometimes I feel irritated immediately after going. Sometimes I pee clear till I'm dehydrated if I've had the wrong thing, like regular coffee.

I can just feel it all the time. Except on those few days where I only felt anything if I had to pee. And during those few days I'd pee for a lot longer and then feel done when I was done. It was utterly amazing.

Been this way for as long as I know... childhood etc.


It's a bit difficult to compare a UTI from my perspective and understand it from the perspective of a male's anatomy...or even from your description... I don't know if you're actually dealing with an infection or something completely different.  From a woman's perspective a UTI or urinary tract infection is burning when urinating...pain or spasm...and sometimes if minor does feel like chronic irritation or inflammation. But the pain or irritation is most evident when urinating....and it's due to bacteria  Women just know when they have a UTI because it's very obvious what it feels like....but in a male's anatomy...what you're describing isn't clear to me.  Thoughts that came to mind are
irritation from something you eat or drink...like you described coffee being an irritant and it could be because it's so acidic.  I know chocolate gives me a weird sensation but it's a black dot and I should not be eating it
anyway.  The fact that you're experiencing your symptoms since childhood, I can't imagine that it's a
chronic UTI because I'm sure doctors have done urine cultures on you during checkups and it would have
appeared as an infection when cultured if this were the case.

Here's some sx of a UTIs...see if anything sounds remotely like your issue.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/urinary-tract-infection/basics/symptoms/con-20037892

My main concern for you health-wise is that you say you're walking around feeling terrible....and as much
as I'd love to offer you sensible advice, without fever, without overt signs of infection anywhere in your body,
and probably not a virus (but don't rule that out)...I walked around with Lyme disease for almost 20 years
feeling run down, sick, achy and had random fever spikes but because there was no such thing called Lyme disease at the time, I fell under the radar and was not properly diagnosed....until there WAS a name for
what I was dealing with.

Logically, a good medical workup would be able to rule out serious medical conditions....Even a blood
test might show if you have any inflammation/infection process that is ongoing...but don't rule out stress as a factor in raising a lot of havoc in the body...

I wish I could be more helpful to you....I know you traveled across the country to go see the shift at the clinic...
Only thing I can say about that is that now, combining 23 and ME with Dr. D's awesome new program OPUS 23, there are things to uncover about our individual genetics that makes treatment possibilities a whole new ball game...Might be worth considering if you're still not feeling like you can make any more progress with just your SWAMIpro.

Best wishes to you...I wish I could be more helpful.



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Unfortunately I was told the 23&Me wouldn't be of benefit to add.

Rarely, super rarely, could I ever say anything close to a burning sensation happens. Pain and spasm isn't a part of urination. The only time I can get some discomfort aside from irritation is after a male function.

Coffee is definitely more to do with caffeine effect. Wheat only causes irritation very quickly if it's actually something that's liquid like alcohol that uses it. Otherwise it's unpredictable.
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Unfortunately I was told the 23&Me wouldn't be of benefit to add.


I am not sure when you were told this, but it might have been before Opus 23 was available.


MIfHI                            I follow a SWAMI diet.
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Couple weeks ago I called to ask if mine could be updated, my pro readout.
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Couple weeks ago I called to ask if mine could be updated, my pro readout.


You aren't talking about OPUS 23 combined with 23 and Me....You likely asked someone at the clinic if your SWAMI pro could be run again incorporating 23 and Me.  And that would not really be necessary.

What you need to know is that OPUS 23 is something Dr. D just created (many months ago)...It's light
years ahead of everything he's done before.  What everyone has to do first is go to 23 and Me and buy
their kit....it's a saliva spit test...You mail it off....and what you get is raw data related to your specific
genetics...SNPs are individualized and this has nothing whatsoever to do with your SWAMI pro...

Dr.  D takes your raw data from 23 and Me and "reads" it through his OPUS 23 software...It's something
additional to your SWAMI....It now looks at you through different eyes....It sees where your genetics might
be flawed...and gives you things (foods, supplements ) that somewhat patch your SNPs so your body
functions better.  OPUS 23 is still a work in progress but I've done it, my husband has done it and if you're
specifically showing MTHFR mutations...there are now very specific foods to focus on....even IF your SWAMI
has them listed as neutral or possibly beneficial....these new targeted "treatments" now get center stage.

So, what you might have asked for when you called the clinic is for an update to your SWAMI pro....and
this is not what I was suggesting when I mentioned OPUS 23...

Dr. D has written about his new software on this website...You might want to search and read about it or
ask the clinic to explain more...It could be that pathways of detoxification are blocked in your body....as they
are in my own due to MTHFR mutations.....and even though I've been following my SWAMI pro for many years, I now have new supplements and new foods to focus on...I still follow my SWAMI just the way it was given to me 5 years ago...so you aren't going to need any type of update...

What's new for me is my genetic data which directs the shift and Dr. D to prescribe different healing
treatment protocols...different because they knew so much less about me prior to this new and highly
personalized genetic information.

Much of the way OPUS 23 reads my 23 and ME data is based on algorithms Dr.D created.
......This is way more scientific and complicated than I can ever explain adequately to anyone...


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I've got the 23 & Me data. What I don't have is the possibility for another clinic visit; as per the website were you must go to the clinic to get recommended for OPUS 23, and then the return visit.

I do now understand why they said updating my SwamiPro wouldn't do anything, as it's not meant to really do anything with the 23 & Me data.

BTW I have a minor MTHFR mutation.
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I do now understand why they said updating my SwamiPro wouldn't do anything, as it's not meant to really do anything with the 23 & Me data.

BTW I have a minor MTHFR mutation.


SWAMI GenoType (The version used for practitioners) allows one to enter 19 SNPs based on genetic data (this is not the same as opus 23).  One of which is Methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase (MTHFR).  Possible values are Homozygous , Heterozygous,  Negative. The instructions are not enough for me to know whether one should be entering rs1801133, rs1801131, rs2274976, or one or more of the other genetic variants associated with MTHFR.

I presume they meant that updating this SNP on your SWAMI data intake form would not change food ratings for you.

I have difficulty mapping 23 & Me identification of SNPs to some of SWAMI's.  So I  often do not enter.

Although if a client told me they had MTHFR SNP, I would probably run it with and without to see if it made a difference to food ratings.



    




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Well if you want to run one for me I'm open to it.
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Well if you want to run one for me I'm open to it.


I do not have access to your SWAMI intake data (nor do I want access).

I ran SWAMI on a hypothetical client based on what I know about you A- secretor  ...

For hypothetical, no foods changed values whether hypothetical was homozygous positive or negative for MTHFR trait.


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I'm caffeine sensitive, if that would mean something.

Oh well... I'm going to ignore gluten. But I'm consuming whey protein which is an absolute avoid. I can't follow my swami and expect something to happen out of the blue after years.
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