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shellee
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Hi, I am new to forums and a bit of a technophobe so please bear with me!
I am a Type 0 and a Gatherer but have been a vegetarian for over 30 years for ethical reasons so not about to tuck into a steak!
I have tried the BTD and Gatherer diet before and know it works but I struggled due to the whole veggie thing - typically love bread and cheese and addicted to mayo etc.
Determined this time so wondered whether there are any other veggies out there that have successfully managed the Gatherer diet and if so how have you managed to unbland your food?!
Would really appreciate any advice and/or reassurance  
Thanks xx
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History is full of people who have given their lives for principles, faith, etc.
So if you have an ethical reason not to eat flesh foods, I respect that and I'm sure the others here do too.
There are type Os who eat very little meat & others who eat it by the pound. There are O vegetarians not doing the BTD who don't eat meat & when it is suggested that they should, they choose not to.
So, since you don't eat meat, there are so many other foods to enjoy & many other health benefits you will learn about on this forum.
So, welcome!  This is a very friendly, helpful place to visit. We hope you stop by often!!!


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Thank you so much for the friendly welcome - that makes me feel so much better I am sure I will learn a lot too and definitely plan to stick with it this time! x
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was the worst scenario ever for me....
wish you could reconsider or have fish and poultry instead


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I'm not vegetarian or vegan at all.  My daughter is vegan, so I do occasionally eat that way out of convenience.  And I've researched a Vit D3 vegan supplement made from lichen that really works.  Supplementing with vit B12 is a good idea.

If you're really conscientious you might be able to make your diet work for you long term.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Thanks for the supplement suggestions - that's a great idea, I'll see what I can find. Definitely plan to make it work - sure I'm not the only one though!
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I am an O hunter and though I love beef, fish, poultry and eggs 'sit' better with me. I don't eat large portions of anything. 2-3 ounces per meal, about 45g a day. 2 eggs, 1/2 can tuna with me beloved mayo, a few shrimp, 2 oz turkey etc. However I do NOT eat breads, pasta, grains etc or dairy. I haven't in years. Bad news for me. I stick to small amounts of protein, veggies and healthy fats. Simple as that. Do you eat fish, poultry or eggs? O's can get by very well with those. Red met is not a necessity.

Do you have health concerns or what brought you here? What is your typical die? staple foods?

Welcome o the forum!


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Hi, thanks for that. I don't eat meat or fish but do eat (and love) eggs so that's something!
Don't know that I had a staple diet as such but had definitely contained too many avoids of late and was feeling really sluggish and generally a bit rubbish so knew it was time to get back on track!
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Just curious, where do you get your protein from? Soy? beans?

You don't like fish?

I could be a vegetarian if I could eat eggs and fish in small quantities but I cannot do soy or beans so have nowhere to get protein. Grains and dairy are not options either. So I guess I cannot be  a vegetarian, haha


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you might also want to supplement with zinc
and taurine.......


Coleus forskohlii increases cyclic AMP (adenosine mono phosphate)
Forskohlii assists the digestive shock and reputed to boost energy metabolism in vegetarians who have blood types which require animal protein for optimal health it has the same effects on cellular metabolism as red meat does for O's.


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I'm sorry - I guess I am a bit confused.  Are you trying to figure out how you can incorporate animal protein into your diet so that you can follow the Gatherer diet or are you trying to figure out how to maintain your vegetarian diet and adapt the Gatherer diet to a vegetarian one?  The O diet is definitely not vegetarian, whether you are a hunter, gatherer or explorer.

I'm just curious so that I know what kind of info you are seeking.

Many O's, myself included eat a lot more fish than red meat.  I eat more fish for health reasons rather than ethical reasons.  However, when I do eat red meat, I try to buy humanly raised beef and lamb.
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It can be hard to get off breads and wheat when you can't have red meat. There's some amino acid that's found in both wheat and beef,  so  there is a physical component to it.

Do you eat dairy products? Fish? Would you consider eating poultry or red meat if it came from a sustainable farm where you could visit and meet the farmers and the animals, or is that not something you're comfortable with?

You may not reach your optimal potential without meat, but you can still improve your diet with Dr D's principals. Make sure you get enough protein and try to keep the carbs down. You may need to cut way back on grains, since you'll be getting so many  carbs alongside the protein when you eat beans. You also may need to emphasize vegetables over fruits  for carbs/blood sugar stability reasons.  I would look at the total animal protein servings recommended per day, and increase eggs and dairy to meet that goal since you won't be eating the meat. Just make sure that the cheeses you eat are the ones that are OK on the Gatherer food list. Remember that neutral foods are not listed in the "Change Your Genetic Destiny" book, so most unlisted cheeses are neutral.

A big part of healing is getting enough of the right nutrients, but another big part is staying away from the toxic foods. That's something you can do without changing your diet in any major way. Your bean and nut options are more limited, but you still have some variety. There are lots of vegetables you can have, and don't forget to roast and eat the seeds of any winter squashes you might choose to have.

I wouldn't worry too much about the mayonnaise you like to eat. It's not perfect, but you probably do need the fats to lower the GI of many of your meals.

A good way to make vegetarian food tasty is to saute vegetables in olive oil and salt before adding to other dishes. Fresh herbs are also a good way to add flavor, and using a good quality unrefined sea salt is both healthier and more flavorful.


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I was a vegetarian for decades, but now eat meat. Nonetheless I sometimes miss my grainy dishes. Brown rice was a staple, and I ate tofu, (we thought it was good for you then) and I made it in many yummy ways.
One of the things I loved was a nut sauce made with almond butter or tahini. Just mix with water and Bragg's amines, and you can put it on anything. Esp. stir fry or veggie -rice dishes. If you cook it in for a couple minutes it will thicken up. But you don' thane to. Also cayenne went on everything!

A cheese omelette can be on the menu everyday for protein.
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Quoted from ruthiegirl
It can be hard to get off breads and wheat when you can't have red meat. There's some amino acid that's found in both wheat and beef,  so  there is a physical component to it.


Tyrosine is abundant in both wheat and beef, but is not the only source. Gatherer cheeses are selected in part for their high tyrosine content, and other animal products tend to be high in tyrosine as well.

Wheat is easily the best vegetable (but not only) source of tyrosine.

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It also reduces appetite and replinishes dopamine levels.  These will reduce cravings of many types.  Dopamine is converted to adrenaline excessively in many O types and in non secretors overall!

It also reduces stress which breaks the cycle of low dopamine levels and external fixes to elevate them.

O gatherers I think can be especially prone to this, and also hunters

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Thank you so much for all the great advice, I really appreciate it xx
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Shelley, welcome to the forum.  Concerning veganism, I found Dr. Chang's argument compelling.  Perhaps you will find it interesting and, perhaps, helpful in your situation.  Wishing you the best.


By Dr. Stephen T. Change's book, The Secret of a Thin and Healthy Body, pgs. 13, 14.

"In my opinion, plants do not deserve to be killed for food any more than animals do.  According to the latest scientific research, plants react to the stimulus of touch, listen to music, sense stress at the death of other organisms, bleed, make the oxygen we breath, and more.  They provide adequate amounts of food and protection for their offspring until they have grown adequately enough to obtain food for themselves.  They also get sick when they are infected by microscopic organisms, some of which are capable of infecting both plant and man.  During a transplantation, plants suffer from root shock and undergo physiological changes that may lead to death.  There is no doubt that plants, too, are living organisms.  Being so, is killing plants more humane than killing animals?  Or are the plant's silent screams less meaningful than the vocal screams of animals?

If we contemplated on what plants must endure when they are yanked out of the earth for food, we would only have air left to eat.  But even that is filled with living organisms.  Unknowingly and constantly we breath in millions of micro organisms which are later eliminated by our immune systems.  We also kill millions of micro organisms harbored in the vegetables or meats we cook and eat every day.  These micro organisms are essentially microscopic animals--some of them look like elephants under the microscope.  Some have incredible and intricate modes and structures of movement--some have muscles.  Some play very important roles in helping us digest, create, and absorb nutrients.  Some are capable of synthesizing hormones (insulin for example) for human use.  They are amazing and intricate structures for ingesting food, digesting food, and excreting food.  Some even have reproductive actions reminiscent of those of human beings.  For these and many other reasons, there cannot be a pure vegetarian in the entire universe.

If my life is meaningless, then all the lives that have been lost to support it have been wasted..... If my life is meaningful, then I need other lives (food) to support it....."

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I have the same issue...I have started eating fish since I read the book, but I can't convince myself to eat meat, eggs or dairy for ethical reasons. I wonder if there is anybody out in the genotype community that has successfully followed the genotype diet while still staying vegetarian or by eating only fish. I am new and still trying to figure it out, but can't compromise on meat, dairy and eggs. Any help is appreciated
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I have the same issue...I have started eating fish ...... but can't compromise on meat, dairy and eggs.


This is a common situation for all us ex-vegetarians/vegans. However, to truly benefit from all that Dr. D suggests then we need to eventually incorporate red meat into our diet. It was a very gradual transition for me, but well worthwhile...to the point where I now crave turkey , lamb or beef..all grass-raised and so much healthier for me than the wheat I used to crave all those vegetarian years. My metabolism was so sluggish that weight just stuck to me no matter how little I ate, and I was soooo tired and lethargic. Now I am full of energy and exercise regularly, so my weight is much easier to maintain at a healthy level.

Clearly you want to enjoy the health benefits of the BTD/SWAMI, otherwise you would not be here   so take it at a pace that suits you. Cut out that dreaded wheat, most dairy, and you are well on the way to great health and energy. Fish is good to start with..although I actually prefer meats than fish, except tuna and sardines.

No one can force you to eat what you don't want to, so the choices are yours alone to make.

wishing you great health  



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Hi, I am new to forums and a bit of a technophobe so please bear with me!
I am a Type 0 and a Gatherer but have been a vegetarian for over 30 years for ethical reasons so not about to tuck into a steak!
I have tried the BTD and Gatherer diet before and know it works but I struggled due to the whole veggie thing - typically love bread and cheese and addicted to mayo etc.
Determined this time so wondered whether there are any other veggies out there that have successfully managed the Gatherer diet and if so how have you managed to unbland your food?!
Would really appreciate any advice and/or reassurance  
Thanks xx

I am type O but don't know my genotype just yet.
Like you though am struggling to get my head around animal proteins. After a very long time of avoiding protein foods because of financial reasons I now find I don't really want them.
However I realise that your reasoning is a little different, although I must say I would have preferred to have been a blood type that thrived on a vegan diet, but I'm not so am working on it.
The way I work with it is by making the most of my beneficial foods that are not animal based and cutting back/out on the avoids. Tea has not yet joined the avoids I confess but wheat, potatoes, cauliflower, leeks and all things soy have. Things which I ate quite a bit of on a daily basis. I was already avoiding corn like the plague because it had such a bad effect on me.
Not sure if your genotype allows these things but have you considered nuts and seeds and quinoa ( the only complete protein grain ) to help with the protein that you need as an O. And if you will eat vegetarian protein then eggs of course are a winner too.
I eat heaps of steamed veg every day but was finding it all a bit bland because of the absence of lashings of gravy, which is now an avoid for me because of the thickeners in it. So now I chop up fresh ginger into my veg and cook it in with it. When finished I stir through a teaspoonful of butter. This is so delicious. Even my teenage daughter who is a huge gravy fan loves this and is happy to forgo gravy on veg that has ginger and butter.
If you like roasted veg try stirring roasted tomato, onion, garlic and peppers through quinoa. Add allowed nuts or seeds. Eat hot or cold with extra olive oil stirred through.
Leftover veg is great with a couple of eggs broken over it and made into omelette or frittata.
I recently had some sweet potato curry left which ended up in one of these. Delicious I have to say.
Hope this helps.
It should help you to formulate your own ideas at least.
Last but not least, blood type specific protein powders if you are insistent that flesh foods will not grace your plate.
After all it is not just what you don't eat on this diet but more to the point what you do eat. Probably won't work so well without those animal proteins.





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Rupert, you mentioned gravy. Well, I use rice flour. It is more expensive & takes longer to cook, but you can have gravy again! There are some fancy expensive brands at Whole Foods, but I have seen white rice flour at other stores. I personally need brown rice, but if you can tolerate while rice, that flour will help.


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Rupert, you mentioned gravy. Well, I use rice flour. It is more expensive & takes longer to cook, but you can have gravy again! There are some fancy expensive brands at Whole Foods, but I have seen white rice flour at other stores. I personally need brown rice, but if you can tolerate while rice, that flour will help.


Ok thanks for that. I will give it a try. I have some home made chicken stock so will see what sort of gravy I can make with that.
No more quick and instant gravy for me now though!
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Just swirling a little butter with pan juices is good too


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Thanks for the supplement suggestions - that's a great idea, I'll see what I can find. Definitely plan to make it work - sure I'm not the only one though!

Well, if you are a vegetarian for ethical reasons, I won't attempt to talk you out of it for health reasons.  I will just say two words:  nutritional yeast.

Get to know it!  High in protein, high in B vitamins, high in minerals, delicious!



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I wonder if there is anybody out in the genotype community that has successfully followed the genotype diet while still staying vegetarian or by eating only fish.


right,

a professional swami designed with a pescaterian bias might be in order


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