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In the GTD book, it mentions that phenols are something that causes allergic reactions in Hunters and Explorers.
I also came across phenols and salicylates while researching the SCD diet (for inflammatory bowel disease).
I'm incredibly fascinated by the whole phenol/salicylate link with inflammation, as they're "supposed" to be anti-inflammatory. Boggles my mind.
Is it that Hunters and Explorers truly have a sensitivity/allergy to things with phenol or salicylate? Or is it that our guts are generally so damaged, that the phenols cross the gut barrier and get into the bloodstream, causing inflammation?
Everytime we stray from low-salicylate (read, bland, uncolorful) fruits right now, my son's Crohn's acts up a bit. He's doing really, really well right now (thank god), so it's easy to pin point where things go wrong. He's on bananas and pineapple and meat at the moment. Every time we do more than a little bit of cherries (very high in polyphenols), or blueberries, he gets worse. Raspberries seemed okay, but he hasn't done much of them. Our big indicator of leaky gut is nosebleeds. He's stable and hasn't had one in about a week. Last one was several hours after having a bowl of dark sweet cherries. (Kid loves them.)
I'm surprised more docs who specialize in inflammation don't understand the connection with phenols/salicylates. My son was put on a salicylate drug as an anti-inflammatory for Crohn's, and he got a lot worse. When we quit the drug and explained the reason why to his pediatric gastroenterologist, he said, "It's very unlikely the drug made him worse." I really like the guy because he's generally very accepting of naturopathy, and he's okay with our decision to go with a dietary-only approach, so I won't hold it against him.
Again, I'm just really interested and fascinated by this topic. Anyone else notice sensitivity that got better after following BTD/GTD/SWAMI?
Also, it looks like if you cook the fruits, it reduces the phenol content. Phenols are a benzene ring with an hydroxyl group attached to it, which means they're pretty volatile (they're an alcohol, hence the -ol ending). Cooking would volatilize the phenols and make them a lot safer.
Hey explorers, check out this list of things to avoid.
Fascinating study you are doing, Misspudding. I can't say that I have noticed any really bad reactions myself except to the poison oak nemesis. There could be milder reactions that I simply haven't been aware of having, though.
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My son was put on a salicylate drug as an anti-inflammatory for Crohn's, and he got a lot worse. When we quit the drug and explained the reason why to his pediatric gastroenterologist, he said, "It's very unlikely the drug made him worse."
While on an individual basis your son got worse, the doc may be correct in a more general way. He just doesn't know that your son may be an exception to what he knows.
"Very unlikely" is not equal to impossible. Continue to be patient with him.
Misspudding this is fascinating (and well explained) Glad your son is doing better!! Thanks so much for posting those links too!! As a part Explorer I have trouble with all fruits, except bananas and apricots!! (I suspect my Hunter husband does too) Lots of brightly coloured vegetables make me react too, but oddly enough I don't think it is salicylates with me as chia seeds don't bother me at all and are actually healing?! (Even though they come from the mint family, so technically are high in salicylates) Must be phenols that make me react?! Certainly phenols in perfumes, airfresheners and perfumes make me react the same way as certain foods do!!
Lloyd, perhaps that's why steroids are used to reduce inflammation enough (induction) and then the salicylate drugs are used from there (remission). I'm guessing most Crohn's patients wouldn't do well with the salicylate drugs off the bat.
Possum, no clue about chia seeds. I know they're high in omega-3s, so overall anti-inflammatory. Phenols include things like tannins, quercetin (!), flavanoids/flavones, gallic acid, etc. It's a very big group. I know I can't handle more than a small amount of black tea before I get a migraine, and that's the tannins.
I'm so glad you guys are all learning something! It's a really interesting area of research and something I never would have known about if it wasn't for my son and his problems. Hopefully, you all can get some useful tidbits to help heal your guts!
Phenols include things like tannins, quercetin (!), flavanoids/flavones, gallic acid, etc. It's a very big group. I know I can't handle more than a small amount of black tea before I get a migraine, and that's the tannins.
Yeah I can't do black or green tea without a reaction (altho' not migraine)
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I was persuated that polyphenols are ok for us but we do have merely problems with the fruit sugars...instead ... ...
and as I was thinking... a detournement of Polyphenols are seen as antioxidants...anticancerogen etc.... and I think it's right what I mentioned above... merely all sugars cause problems in all non-secretors!
My dad , me and my older nephew are very sensitive in the nose and have easily nose bleeds. I am celiac , my nephew lactose intiolerant and very allergic all the family, my brother is 90 % celiac too.... he want not to admit... thanks for the info
Yeah, it's pretty amazing how much the different components of food can really affect us. Once your gut is healed, the polyphenols and salicylates (because they're in EVERYTHING) are generally really good for you Amazone! But you have to remove them from your diet for 3-6 months (hence the black dot) in some cases, or cook the hell out of them for a period of time, in order to heal. This was a huge a-ha moment for me when I figured it out.
Maria Giovanna, yeah, it's pretty surprising. I also just figured out biotin is synthesized by gut bacteria, too. Got acne or cradle cap beyond infancy? It's probably a gut problem. I've struggled with acne for years, and DS had cradle cap until very recently (he's 9!).
Yeah, it's pretty amazing how much the different components of food can really affect us. Once your gut is healed, the polyphenols and salicylates (because they're in EVERYTHING) are generally really good for you Amazone! But you have to remove them from your diet for 3-6 months (hence the black dot) in some cases, or cook the hell out of them for a period of time, in order to heal. This was a huge a-ha moment for me when I figured it out
Yeah some great aha moments/reminders there!! I *think* I am even ok with stewed apples - if the right apples and peeled and cooked for a long time?!