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Joeyy
Friday, January 10, 2014, 12:23pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I've been away from the site for a couple of years & have even changed my eating habbits after watching numerous vegan videos on youtube.. It's so confusing on which diet is best or which studies to believe.

As a result I have been following a high-ish carb/low fat diet for a while even though I'm a O- Hunter. Some of these videos have left me a little worried about eating red meat, which has prevented me from eating any for a good few months. I have probably put on nearly 4kg's since leaving the gentotype diet where I have been refusing meat of any kind and taking in more wholegrains, legumes, starch etc.

I have noticed that my fitness has totally disappeared where I'm short of breath very quickly, dry skin, irratable and recently my lower left eye just won't stop twitching. The thing that has really made me re-consider this vegan diet is, I noticed this morning that under my lower eye lids are very pale and nearly white. I have done a little check online and there seems to be alot of information saying that the symptoms could be anemia or an iron deficiency.

Has anyone experienced this or would going back to the Hunter style of eating improve this? I'm just a little concerned about the red meat/cancer link

Would love to hear from you guys
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I went that way a several years ago, fat free vegan in fact, we all got ill really quickly and after 6 months realises it was just wrong.

a quick change to eating right for our type corrected a lot in a very short time, the fine tuning can take longer, especially if you are not complaint enough.

I wonder if the pale you speak about under the yes is in fact a build up of cholesterol due to a high carb diet. especially if you eat a lot of sugar.

eat less meat but of a better quality or perhaps try eating f fish to begin with. but you will get a buzz with good beef.


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You could be right about the Cholesterol, as I recently found out it was quite high. I do eat quite alot of white bread and about 4 large squares of dark chocolate daily.

I have been having alot of kale/spinish smoothies but hear that it's not absorbed as easily as animal heme iron.. Looking back, I seemed to be at my fittest when beef was in my diet.. I'm not the biggest fan of steak but seem to love it in slowed cooked casseroles.

I will try the fish too
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Quoted from Joeyy
Has anyone experienced this or would going back to the Hunter style of eating improve this? I'm just a little concerned about the red meat/cancer link

Would love to hear from you guys

The red meat / cancer link is well documented for Type A and AB, who don't digest the meat well.  This is very understandable as the by-products of the improperly digested meat is very unhealthy.  This is all part of the learning necessary to determine when the information is one-size-fits-none or actually worth listening to...

The keys are to maintain good gut health and follow a per-type diet, whether BTD, GTD or the SWAMI combination.  

Here's to you getting back to good health!


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Appreciate that Joe - that's very interesting. I'm going to give the Hunter diet all my best from now on
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I use to get the twitchy eye I thought it was from reading to much. (at the time) but since I'm taking methyl B-12 that has stop also the swollen tongue (ruffle on edge) This is also a problem cause (for me) by not eating read meat.


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As we are told time and time again by Dr. D and his many knowledgeable helpers:

The vegan diet can be very good    -------   IF you are a Type A
The Atkins diet can be very good   -------   IF you are a Type O

Etc. Etc. Etc.  

ANYTHING that claims to be good for every one just plain is not.  Period.

OOPS - I must amend that last statement.  There are some very few products developed by Dr. D that can be good "for everyone"..........however with the individualized SWAMI testing, we must each take the responsibility of reading every ingredient because even the few all purpose products developed by Dr. D may NOT be OK for some person or another.  At least he knows very well what he is doing when he develops his products!


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Dec 2013: Started Swami Xpress - I'm 48% Explorer with hybridized Explorer/BTD list. A new adventure for this old lady!  -- LOST 5 more pounds on SWAMI! 

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Joeyy
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Well, I had my first lump of beef last night, nearly a year of not having any... Omg what a welcome back!!  What was I thinking giving it up..

Oh well, I will just continue and hopefully I'm back running to my old standards

Thanks to all  
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Welcome back to the light side


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Hi Joeyy, welcome buddy

When switching from vegan/veggie high carb / low fat regime back to:-

meat & fats / healthy oil / low carbs / beneficial veggies / low fructose -  you are bound to encounter some digestive disruption - most probably constipation to begin with…keep your healthy oils and fats going and it will sort itself out…

When you say your cholesterol was high, what did you mean? Did your GP say that all of your levels were wrong? Total? LDL? Triglycerides? HDL Low? Ratios? - This doesn't need to be a complex/worrying area for your health, especially at your age, you have time to get back on track as long as you are prepared to put the work in.

Relating to Cholesterol - my GP tested mine August 2013 (a fasting test) after I'd been Genotyping for about 4 months with 99% compliance - My TOTAL serum cholesterol was 6.6 mmol (less than 5 is preferred). HOWEVER, at the same time, my HDL (good cholesterol) was above their measuring scale and my serum Triglycerides were just above the low range, and the Total cholesterol:HDL range was great...

Most important for blood type O's is to stop wheat / potatoes / corn HFCS / sugar / kidney beans - the rest will come together over time - fine tune with Hunter protocols. but the absolute out and out winner is to do a SWAMI - either Xpress  or through Greenfields.co.uk in Canterbury where you can get an even more tailored version ( face to face with Tom Greenfield who wrote the Foreward/Introduction to the Genotype Diet book by Dr.D)

Stay in touch and let us know how you get on

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possible lack of Fe and I'm happy for you that you'd changed your eating habits to your very best;)...btw congrats for your choice to come along for better  


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Hi Carla,

I've had 2 cholerol checks in my life. The 1st being, eating roughly 80% on the genotype where my (hdl - high), (Tri - low) & (ldl - quite high)... Because my ldl was high my doctor advised me to cut out the eggs & meat and go on a vegetarian diet - Looking back, maybe it something to do with fact that the doctor was a Sikh..lol...  Also, he was very very heavy himself..

Since being on a high complaince vegan diet my 2nd cholesterol check came back the my hdl was alot lower and my Tri's were alot higher... Not to mention my weight had risen by roughly 4kg's

I didn't have a clue about cholesterol numbers while I was on the Genotype diet and only studying online I found that I was probably (actually) doing ok.

I'm sorry Carla. I don't have no idea about my resting glucose or serum levels. That was never covered with me.

Regarding Ben Greenfield. Have you been to see him and what exactly is covered in the appointment. Being honest, I have always been a little skeptical when it comes to paying money for some software when it comes to health.. I would love to know more about a face to face meeting. I will check out the website too

Thanks alot
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Thanks alot Amazone - I plan to have another good serving of beef later tonight   haha

I will keep you informed on how I'm getting on.. It's great having people to chat with here
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would also add some lekker lamb sometimes this also is red meat but has muchmore CLA in and it is really yummy in its taste ....


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Hi Joeyy,

Well, it sounds as though your numbers were similar to mine when eating the Type O Paleo/Primal type of diet, but have gone downhill ever since going vegan - it has been said many times that O's will not THRIVE long term on a vegan eating regime.

The fact is, that many GP's in the UK are not terribly well up on the LDL cholesterol situation, and tend to go into panic mode (sounds like your GP) - I've done lots of reading about cholesterol as I was a little concerned that my LDL levels were a little high, while everything else was very good or exceptionally good.

Anyway, I found a post by a chap called Griff on the Marksdailyapple.com site which explained my numbers perfectly - (the reason why I haven't posted the link directly is because I don't know if it might breach the forum regulations here on D'Adamo - maybe one of the Moderators can confirm if it's OK or not).  - The post goes into great detail about an alternative way of interpreting cholesterol numbers using "The Iranian Equation" which, from memory, comes into play when your Triglycerides are on the low side (like mine).

The other thing I learned about having high LDL cholesterol is that in a simplistic way you can consider the LDL levels as the ambulance going to fix inflammation in the system, and HDL as the garbage truck following behind to pick up the rubbish and take it back to the liver for re-cycling or destruction. In other words, it does not matter if you have high LDL cholesterol AS LONG AS you ALSO have the high HDL levels too, and overall good triglyceride numbers…

…Now the other thing that UK GP's are almost totally un-informed about is the different types of LDL cholesterol - there are big fluffy LDL particles which are good, and there are very dense bullet like LDL particles which are bad - I don't think the standard GP tests in the UK differentiate in their results, but Griff's post does do a good explanation of how to read whether your LDL if fluffy or dense in that very same post

As an aside, I haven't been to Tom Greenfields clinic in Canterbury (too far away), but I do buy supplements from them, they did my Lewis secretor status test and I bought my Swami membership there too.

SWAMI just ROCKS - it's a completely personalised blend of the Blood Type and Genotype diets, based upon your own family health history and potentially changing personal health circumstances -

for the SwamiXpress UK £66 ish,
for a Swami Practitioner visit more, but I don't know how much

You'll be re-paid a squillion times over. If you can't finance it yet, or don't have any particular health issues you're concerned about or living with, then maybe put it on the back-burner for now - don't dismiss it - I started on the GTD Gatherer, read the post on "You might be a Nonnie (non-secretor) if…" - discovered I was a Nonnie (hooray!!), then bought my Swami.

In addition to reading and learning loads of stuff here on D'Adamo, I also subscribe to Marks Daily Apple, Chris Kresser and Joe Mercola

I'm sorry this has been such a long post, but what better to do on a rainy Dartmoor afternoon? - Feel free to come back to me if you you can't find the Griff post on MDA and I'll send you the link via personalised message instead.

Carla


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I am a regular reader on Marks Daily apple and think it's great.. I have also found some great explainations on youtube from a lady called Dr Tara Dall and she explained it just like you did.. You sure have done your homework too.. lol

I appreciate such a detailed reply Carla and yes, with this weather I sure have time to read even while the footballs on   haha

I'm definitely going to buy SWAMI sometime next week and go from there
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Hi Joeyy,

No worries - I've learned so much here from the people on this site (very grateful to all of them), am glad that I may be getting to the stage where I can add something back.

It helps to maintain an enquiring mind, and I often find myself questioning and cross-referencing…Might even start the study programme to become a practitioner - PCUK might give me a bit of insight into that…

Carla


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Last question Carla - There are 2 secretor tests on the greenfields site:

- Lewis Test Kit for Secretor Status (mail order) - £28

- Secretor Test (Salivary Secretor/Non-Secretor) - £64

Which one should I get just to test if I'm a secretor or not?
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I made mine years ago with Dr.D's help sended it to USA and there was only one fashion... you send your spittest overthere, you're going to receive a testformula onwhich you're going to inform those about your bt and then those write back at you... if you're a nonnie or a sechi ...it is that simple and sorry I can't understand those prices either

But honestly I wouldn't do that anymore todays coz a lot of my clients came back with a *nonnie-statement* while passing the Lewis blood test they received the info: *you're a secretor* so far I think better to come along with a certain security and go for the simple Lewis blood test ....


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Hi

ONLY FOR UK/European Readers:

Joeyy - I did the Lewis blood test - Greenfields have their own lab - I got my result the same day they received my blood sample (from Tom's team) - over the phone then followed up by post.

In the same way, I got my SWAMI license number over the phone, then followed up by post.

If you want to pay more and do the Saliva test, you will have to wait longer (as I understand it has to go back to D'Adamo/DPN/NAP in USA - all the same place/company). C_Sharp (moderator and really helpful guy says a 14 day wait - not sure exactly). Downside with saliva test is that if you have bleeding gums or other mouth issues you may not be able to submit the test immediately (due to false reading) - Dr D maintains that saliva test is more accurate over all the years that he been testing. Lots of people here on D'adamo end up doing both… (skeptics or what? - Lewis blood test can reveal a Lewis "double negative" result - which Dr D treats as an extra special Non_Secretor just like Lola (Mexican moderator of few words, but many links!! love you Lola )

Amazone I. is a whole different matter - her posts are wonderfully intriguing - she uses lots and lots of emoticons - I often find I have to read her posts over and over again to get to the bottom of the message - just goes to prove WE ARE ALL INDIVIDUALS, and all the richer for it

Carla


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thanx Carla for the kind words


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U2 Carla    


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I'm glad you've "seen the light" and are willing to re-introduce meat into your diet. Many people do their bodies a lot of harm by being stuck on the vegan philosophy and ignore what their body is telling  them.


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