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Taxman
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Man, all this testing is giving me a headache!  (Maybe because I have a cold)

Ok, so I'm B+ and I did a bunch of measurements but all this strength testing is becoming confusing.  Either I'm a gatherer or a nomad, I think I narrowed it down.

I'm an Endomorph (sounds creepy) and I can't touch my thumb to my finger.  Torso is longer than legs and my LL is slightly longer.  High hip to waist ratio.  Oh, and my right index fingers are longer.

I think I may be a nomad.  Although no red hair here!  Indian guy who is 5'7".

Any guesses?  Ha?

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Taking a look at the "advanced chart" in the back of the  book, it looks like you're a Nomad if you're a secretor, or a Gatherer if you're a non-secretor.

You're one of the "lucky few" who can't determine genotype from the advanced calculator without the secretor information.

You have a few options:

1) follow the B diet in one of the other books Dr D has written

2) do the strength testing for the Nomad and Gatherer and select one based on which one you score higher for

3) Assume you're a secretor, since that's more common, and try the Nomad plan. Prepare to re-evaluate after 2 months if it's not working well for you.

4) Invest in a SWAMI and/or secretor testing before making dietary changes. SWAMI is more accurate with secretor information, but is still valid without it. Doing both is the most expensive option, but gives the best results.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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right, use only the advanced calculator and watch this video to double check

http://www.4yourtype.com/swamixp_video.asp


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Taxman
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Thanks!!  I think I'll start with just a basic B diet for now.  
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I was going to say, figuring out GTs for O & A is really easy.  Of course the question is posted by a B. lol


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Look at the differences in personality and psychological characteristics of the nomad and gatherer. That might give you a better idea which genotype fits you better. You should also consider what you have in common with the explorer genotype. I have twin type B sons, and even though we genotyped them just before their 16th birthdays knowing they were still going to grow more (they're just 17 now and still growing slightly), one son has strong personality characteristics of the nomad and the other strong personality characteristics of the explorer.

By the way, my sons are ethnically Roma (gypsy) which have origins from the middle east and south asia, so no they are most definitely not red heads either, but very dark like you. My nomad son is currently just shy of 5'8".

Get a SWAMI if you can afford it. It takes a lot of the guesswork out of it. I'm a type A and I had a hard time genotyping myself from the book and SWAMI even changed my genotype from warrior to teacher after updating my Meyer's-Briggs personality profile and having my secretor status tested. Getting your secretor tested will be beneficial to following the right diet. I thought I was a non-secretor and had that entered in my SWAMI until I got tested and found out I am a secretor. It did change some food values, so I"m glad I know now.


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Do these things change?  Can a person evolve from one type to another?

What is the Meyer's-Briggs?
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Quoted from Taxman
Do these things change?  Can a person evolve from one type to another?

What is the Meyer's-Briggs?


M-B is a personality type test. It is a minor input for SWAMI but can influence close decisions by it's algorithm.

People do change, but only people on the cusp will see the change in SWAMI as far as labels go. The end result is usually only a minor modification of the diet, much as you would see with someone whose input changes but the label stays the same.

On basic GTD your genotype should not change.
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It's not that I changed over the course of a few months, but there are many optional fields in the SWAMI program that you may not know and therefore not enter initially. That was the case for me, and there are lab results that I haven't entered. So, it's even possible that I could have more tests done in the future to enter into SWAMI that could tip the scale again toward warrior.

I'm sorry I didn't explain better why SWAMI changed my genotype, but I hope this makes more sense.

The major difference you'll likely see if SWAMI changes your genotype are probably the daily or weekly servings of particular food groups. As a warrior, I was only allowed 1 serving of poultry per week (not eggs), versus 3 servings per week as a teacher. However, as a warrior my vegetable proteins allowances made up for the smaller poultry allowances. Also, dairy superfoods are quite different for a teacher versus a warrior as teachers have more problems with bacterial overgrowth, so more "aged" cheeses are recommended as opposed to the "non-aged" cheeses such as cottage cheese, ricotta, and and kefir. BTW, if you follow the nomad diet, your cheese superfoods will be much like my teacher cheeses as nomads are also considered tolerant genotypes that are prone to bacterial overgrowth. My nomad son and I have a lot of cheeses in common that we share that my other type O's and B explorer son don't get to eat regularly.


Coleen ISF-J, Non-Taster
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Nomads and explorers tend to be more mesomorphic, and gatherers have a bigger frame.  I am mesomorphic and my fingers just touch over my wrist, and this would be the same if i gained or lost weight, which only varies by a few pounds generally no matter what. One time i got a bad surgical infection while bedridden and i burned 45 pounds off in four weeks, but then gained back to my setpoint quickly when i felt like eating again, but my fingers would fit the same! A gatherer could much more easily gain and the fingers wouldn't touch over the wrist probably, even if not overweight.  

My dad is a nomad and is Lebanese, his hair is black, he is bt AB.  A lot of East Indian people are B and prob nomads, but they will have black hair.

Whatever just fits best is probably the one.  My wife is a definate gatherer, and it is very clear from the book descriptions, as is for me as an explorer,
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You guys are amazing.  I love the in depth reasoning and explanations that so many of you have taken the time to provide me with.  THANK YOU!!!

OK, here's my game plan.  I'm going to do my Nomad B diet and see how things pan out of the next few months.  I have some weight to lose and I'm going to aim for 80% compliance.  Secondly, I'm going to do the secretor test.  

Thank you all!!
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When you measured your fingers, did they match with the Nomad?  If you have problems with this accuracy, try a transparent ruler and measure on the palm side of the hand instead of between the fingers.



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It seems even harder on the palm side.  As close as I gathered, my index finger is longer on the left hand and the same length as the right.  I guess that means Nomad?
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are you left hander or right hander and yep explorerdom might be another option btw..welcome and greetings from Switzerland  


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@ Taxman, Lola, Ruth,
I was in exactly the same quandary as Taxman last year, what was I, so many white lines made it hard to tell what fingerprints I had!  I did the same as Taxman, started the BTD, and did the secretor test (nonnie).  I was 40lbs heavier last year when SWAMI arrived, Genotyped me as an Explorer so at the start, I followed those foods.  Then I re-entered the new weight and measurements (I'm back to my early twenties weight, eating MORE than I ever have in my life) and SWAMI changed me to Nomad!  I'm an ectomorph, never been endomorphic, but I have a B+ nonnie sister who tested as a Gatherer and is having very good results from that diet.  She's an endomorph.  It's quite a juggle figuring it all out but once you find out the foods that work, and you will know either by weight loss or how you feel, it gets much easier to know what to have in the house.  Good Luck!  It works.
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It seems even harder on the palm side.  As close as I gathered, my index finger is longer on the left hand and the same length as the right.  I guess that means Nomad?


Since you didn't mention both hands, I looked in the chart for both "both hands have this finger longer" as well as "ring longer on one hand, index longer on the other." The results (for your torso, upper leg/lower leg, blood type, and gender) were exactly the same. You personally need the secretor result to accurately determine genotype from the advanced calculator.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Quoted from Taxman
It seems even harder on the palm side.  As close as I gathered, my index finger is longer on the left hand and the same length as the right.  I guess that means Nomad?


You'll know for sure when you get your Secretor test.  



Normal day, let me be aware of the treasure you are.
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Victoria, you're right!  Gonna do it
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I'm always especially happy when a fellow B gets on the right track!!  



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I think nomads are more symetrical and explorers have more assymetry.
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Gatherers can be pretty asymmetrical as well.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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anna, great job!!!


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Everyone here has given some great tips on the way to find out which GenoType you are. All in all, I don't think there's a way of getting out of having to do the (often frustrating) measurements, tests, and what-not. I always came out as strong mix of Nomad and Explorer, with some, but only a little Gatherer (considering I've never been mesomorph, much less Endomorph) but a few of the things (e.g. like having the same index/ring finger-length ratio on both hands, white lines, etc) clearly told me I was Nomad GT above all the others.

And like a few others said, I'm not red or light-haired, nor do I have light-colored eyes. And I'm not, nor have ever been, mesomorph; I'm ectomorph - always had trouble gaining weight, if anything. But, I'm still a Nomad GT.
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use only the advanced calculator in your book, misty, when knowing your blood type, or have swami do the math for you


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I've observed, though, that there are some people who measure out to be one genotype, but strength-test stronger for another one; or who have similar strength tests for two genotypes. (I'm only talking about two genotypes that are possible for their blood types. ) Those individuals tend to do much better on SWAMI than on the printed food lists in the book. Some people just don't fit well into one genotype, and they'll benefit even more from SWAMI than will somebody who does well on one of the genotype diets from the book. If you fall into that category, but can't afford a SWAMI right now, you may do better on BTD


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Lola, thank you...One Day At A Time....I loved that suggestion you made on FB to try nut butter to jazz up leftover soups...I'm going to try it with almond butter as peanuts are Toxin Avoids...

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