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Christopher1
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I have taken many methyl B12 supplements - including sublingual ones that are supposedly more effective.

Well, my doctor said I was heterozygous for MTHFR. He gave me B12 injections.

WOW! 45 minutes after my first short - I feel incredible. I highly recommend this!

How come the injections are so much better than the sublingual ones? I would assume that - after 4 years on the SWAMI diet - I would have enough intrinsic factor?

Thanks in advance for the explanation!

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was it not cyanocoblamin?


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Do you eat ghee?

Also sometimes it isn't the B12 you aren't getting, it is the transport for it. There are things that increase absorption of B12.
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Quoted from Christopher1
I have taken many methyl B12 supplements - including sublingual ones that are supposedly more effective.

Well, my doctor said I was heterozygous for MTHFR. He gave me B12 injections.

WOW! 45 minutes after my first short - I feel incredible. I highly recommend this!

How come the injections are so much better than the sublingual ones? I would assume that - after 4 years on the SWAMI diet - I would have enough intrinsic factor?

Thanks in advance for the explanation!


FYI:
Typically when people are deficient in some B-vitamin they do feel incredible once they start supplementing it. However, that superior feeling usually doesn't endure more than a few days, a week at most..

Sorry
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Christopher1
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was it not cyanocoblamin?


I've tried lots of methylcobalamin and adenosylcobalamin. Neither came close to what I feel with injections of methyl B12 into the muscle.
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Do you eat ghee?

Also sometimes it isn't the B12 you aren't getting, it is the transport for it. There are things that increase absorption of B12.


I've done plenty of ghee. Maybe it's just that I'm heterozygous for MTHFR...
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Quoted from Damon


FYI:
Typically when people are deficient in some B-vitamin they do feel incredible once they start supplementing it. However, that superior feeling usually doesn't endure more than a few days, a week at most..

Sorry


I hope you're wrong.

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What are your past history health problems you've gotten over? Are there any current ones you work specifically on managing?
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My hunch is you sped up a process you were behind on or not doing as efficiently and your body finally was able to catch up on it. Rockin'

I'm heterozygous as well. I think I read the other day that there were over 40 variations?


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You probably can not assimilate  B12 in your gut.


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Christopher1
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How can I fix that?
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Well some can´t fix it   when we age our ability to absorb b12 gets less.

But my guess would be O friendly probiotic and lots of beef broth and ghee.

My mother and grandmother - both O neg ( secs) lost their ability to absorb it and got severe migraines- both had /have b12 shots every 3 months = no migraine and no side effects.


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Quoted from Henriette Bsec
Well some can´t fix it   when we age our ability to absorb b12 gets less.

But my guess would be O friendly probiotic and lots of beef broth and ghee.

My mother and grandmother - both O neg ( secs) lost their ability to absorb it and got severe migraines- both had /have b12 shots every 3 months = no migraine and no side effects.


The idea that it won't ever come back to me says just give up and die. You hardly have a choice in the matter actually, since it is vital to living. Haven't seen this written anywhere in the work of Dr. D'Adamo, about never getting intrinsic factor back; sure hope it is because he disagrees with you/typical thought on it.
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I think "due to English is not my first language" you read my post a little wrong- I apologize.

Sure you can rebuild but for some people it is very difficult.
I didn´t know about rebuilding your gut when my grandmother was alive
- but we have tried to rebuild my mums and it is very hard.... o she has opted for the shots.. that is her decision


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I would think that having the B-12 shots as often as needed is a good short term solution- it puts your body back into balance while you work on rebuilding your gut. Of course healing is possible as long as you're still alive, but sometimes healing is faster and sometimes it's slower.

Why not take advantage of modern medicine (B-12 shots) to keep up your energy levels during that process? This particular intervention is safe and effective; but it's annoying to have to deal with going into the doctor frequently and the shots are uncomfortable.


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Quoted from ruthiegirl
I would think that having the B-12 shots as often as needed is a good short term solution- it puts your body back into balance while you work on rebuilding your gut. Of course healing is possible as long as you're still alive, but sometimes healing is faster and sometimes it's slower.

Why not take advantage of modern medicine (B-12 shots) to keep up your energy levels during that process? This particular intervention is safe and effective; but it's annoying to have to deal with going into the doctor frequently and the shots are uncomfortable.


I agree with you.
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I agree with Ruth as well
My mum gets the injections at home btw every 3 months so not much hazzle.


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Quoted from Henriette Bsec
I agree with Ruth as well
My mum gets the injections at home btw every 3 months so not much hazzle.


I take them at home too.
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Still maintain that b12 is best taken in lots of small doses

also note

Vitamin B12 depletion also can occur in those who drink too much alcohol, as well as some patients on long-term antibiotic therapy and other prescribed drugs, such as stomach-acid-suppressants (H-2 blockers and proton pump inhibitors) and the diabetes drug, metformin. Nicotine can also lower serum levels of B12.

you can also get a spray that you spray under your tongue.

and note

Step 1 Eat foods that are high in vitamin B12. Look for healthy meats, such as fish and chicken, to get your body the vitamin B12 it needs.

Step 2 Choose eggs and dairy items, such as yoghurt or milk, to add vitamin B12 to your diet if you prefer not to eat meat.

Step 3 Consume 2.4mcg of Vitamin B12 per day, according to MedlinePlus. Get your recommended daily allowance by consuming one chicken breast and one hard boiled egg, or 1 cup of plain low-fat yoghurt.

Step 4 Talk to your doctor about vitamin B12 supplements if you can't get the B12 you need through your diet. Choose from vitamin B12 pills, lozenges, injections or nasal sprays.

Step 5 Verify that other medications you are taking do not interfere with vitamin B12 absorption. The University of Maryland Medical Center claims that some medications used to control diabetes and cholesterol, as well as chemotherapy medications, antibiotics and anticonvulsants, can reduce your ability to absorb vitamin B12.

Tips and Warnings
The symptoms of vitamin B12 deficiency include diarrhoea, fatigue, loss of appetite and paleness. If you think you have a vitamin B12 deficiency, visit a doctor for testing.
Avoid taking vitamin B12 supplements if you are allergic to cobalt or cobalamin. Do not take vitamin B12 supplements if you are undergoing angioplasty or receiving a coronary stent.


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I've tried lots of methylcobalamin and adenosylcobalamin. Neither came close to what I feel with injections of methyl B12 into the muscle.


tell us if those injections contain the cyanocobalamin

down here, all pharmacies only sell those ....the methyl form is not available cause it is not cheap


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tell us if those injections contain the cyanocobalamin

down here, all pharmacies only sell those ....the methyl form is not available cause it is not cheap


No cyano - only methyl.

And, yes, not cheap. My insurance didn't cover it. About $60 for a 6 month supply.
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Also sometimes it isn't the B12 you aren't getting, it is the transport for it. There are things that increase absorption of B12.


That's my understanding as well... often it is not the lack of dietary/supplemental sources of B12 but more of an assimilation issue. And the difficulties with assimilation tend to increase with age.



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A couple of years ago I did B12 shots.  They were the cyano.  I know they were bad for me, but I was desperate.  I felt AMAZING!  After a while I got to thinking the aluminum I was injecting into myself was maybe counteracting the B, seeing as it's a neurotoxin. I quit taking it.

A couple of months ago, my new ND said I was very deficient and gave me a methyl injection.  I couldn't tell any difference whatsoever.   I was disappointed.

I can't eat meat at all, but I eat a lot of eggs.  I guess that's my only source in my diet.


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