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Christopher1
Saturday, October 20, 2012, 5:13pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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How do they compare to ND's? Where would I be able to get the best "bang for my buck" for overall wellness--naturopaths or chiropractors?

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It depends on your problem. My chiropractor was absolutely wonderful at putting my disks back in place when I injured my back several times. I could hardly walk, I was in so much pain, and my husband had to help me get around.  I don't think an ND could do that. On the other hand, for general health problems and advice, not related to a spinal or neck injury, I would go with the ND. Just be sure you get a reliable chiropractor with a good reputation.
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i agree with DL: ask only chiropractic questions when seeing a chiropractor. let them give u advice on what they have studied and hopefully are EXPERTS in--that is, what works for their patients, NOT for them personally.
as for chiropractic modalities, i'd stick with the Atlas-Orthogonal method. sort of elitist, but i've seen at least 12 chiropractors in my life, and atlas-orthogonal has been the best (of course, contrary to what i mentioned above, it's what's worked best for ME ; 0
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oh, the atlas method is NON-invasive. i've had 3 spine surgeries so i won't let a chiro "crack my bones". atlas method is phenomenal in avoiding the need for this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMfzFXI7ch8
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I think it's difficult to generalize about chiropractors.  I've been to maybe 10 or more different ones in my adult lifetime and only one I thought was superior.  I would have been his patient forever had
he not moved 1,000 miles away....Many chiros were trying to oversell me products and supplements
they thought I needed, however it was an arbitrary decision and had nothing to do with having
knowledge about any possible nutrient deficiency.  One was charging extra for massages.   A few did kineseology (muscle testing) in order to balance muscular imbalance.  And one really terrible chiro
was actually practicing medicine without a license and wound up facing charges.. A few of them were just bad and I saw absolutely no improvement after treatment.  Others I'd feel better when I walked out of their office, only they wanted me to come 3x a week for an extended period of time...  Some chiropractors are probably great....Like I said I would only praise one out of the many I saw..but healing is a process that takes place on many levels.  

As for NDs, I've only been to one....the BEST one there is.  Dr. D

Would I ever go back to a chiropractor ever again?  No. I feel forcing the spine into place caused
me a lot of muscle problems.  I also felt it was emotionally scary to have my neck cracked.  Only
reason I kept going to chiropractors (before 1990) was because I hadn't met any other types of
alternative healers.  As soon as I found my osteopath, my chiro days were finished.  Osteopathic
adjustments are gentle...effective. At least that was my experience.

I would recommend acupuncture and an osteopath.  I had good results with both.


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" Would I ever go back to a chiropractor ever again?  No. I feel forcing the spine into place caused
me a lot of muscle problems.  I also felt it was emotionally scary to have my neck cracked.  Only
reason I kept going to chiropractors (before 1990) was because I hadn't met any other types of
alternative healers.  As soon as I found my osteopath, my chiro days were finished.  Osteopathic
adjustments are gentle...effective. At least that was my experience."

NUCCA practicing Chiro's are also very non invasive.  I found my greatest relief after years of conventional treatment.  I would have never thought such a minimal amount of force could get my misery to end!


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I remember my mom using an osteopath when I was little. But there are none around here that I know of. My chiropractor was very gentle.  He took x-rays to see what the problem was. (I generally don't have x-rays because of the health risks over time). Then the nurse used warm and cold towels (or vice versa, I was in so much pain I can't remember which one was first) on the area. Then the doctor gently worked on my back. It took several treatments to get my disks back in place, but I'm glad I went to him. Years ago I went to him for my neck, when I was spending too much time hunched over books, studying for classes.
     On the other hand, when my husband was a young man, he went to one that he  said was not good, and made him worse. So, get references. My personal opinion ...if your spine is out of whack, all the food and supplements in the world aren't going to bring you needed relief from the pain, so a reputable chiropractor or osteopath is better for that. Just saying.
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Excellent thread.  I am a huge appreciator of chiropractic, as it has really helped me.  That said, I think that careless chiropractors can hurt you and I have also experienced this, I think (although it is hard for me to say with certainty that any certain thing I've experienced was for sure the result of a bad adjustment or adjustments...but I def have my opinion on it *lol*).  Right now, I'm going to a good chiro and good chiropractic is awesome.  I do agree with Tom that neck adjustments, to me, are scary and not the most pleasant part of any visit to the chiro.  I am really mad at the first chiro I ever went to, back in 1994, I think it was, because I was there for a lumbar (low-back) issue and I didn't expect her to adjust my neck, and she knew it was my first ever visit to a chiro (at least, I think she did), so in my opinion, she should have said something like, okay, I'm going to adjust your neck now.  Instead, without any warning, she just sort of placed her hands in position to do so and I thought, okay, she is just seeing something, like checking out the alignment of something.  Next thing I knew:  SCRRRRRREEEEAAAK!  She adjusted my neck, only because she had not WARNED me, I understandably COMPLETELY AND IMMEDIATELY TENSED UP DURING THE ADJUSTMENT AND RUINED IT.  Not a fan of that.

But I do NOT want to scare anyone off of chiropractic, I swear by it!  The trick is to do your homework first, ask around and find a really good one.  The guy I go to is semi-retired and he is a one-man band.  I LOVE this after having experienced two places that were very busy and assembly-line-esque.  I would say go for a small, "boutique" practice versus a big, assembly-line practice.  You probably don't want a chiro practice that has sleazy ads urging accident victims to go there, etc.  Get recommendations from people and then don't be shy to physically go to the place and get a feel for it:  is it huge and/or assembly-line-like and/or impersonal?  Does the front desk person or staff mind answering your questions and do they seem caring and nice?  Little things like that reveal a lot.  Go with your gut instinct.

Anyway, I agree with DL:  NDs and chiros have different focuses and I would LOVE to go to an ND as my primary care doc (but they are not allowed to practice in Florida  ) or for specific health concerns, but for spinal issues, I would--and do--definitely go to a chiro--there are good ones out there and a good chiro is a thing of beauty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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I dislike the *cracking noise* they'll do while touching you.... was forced once in my life in 2005 in Arizona during the symposium of Dr. D....never ever am I going to repeat this.....


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In my town we have the National University of Health Sciences University.  They give out both ND & Chiropractic degrees. In my state, Illinois, insurance will cover chiropractic but not ND.  Some young people have opted to get both degrees.  Finding one of them gives you double bang for your buck.


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For joint and back pain.. google getProlotherapy.com .. I have written much about it..

IT is the only thing that works 100%

chiros and all other work.. works to keep you going.. but Prolo heals..

if need PM me..  


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There is a whole other part of chiropractic I discovered along my journey.  This all was explained
to me by a chiro I'd call my dear friend....someone who never cared about how little money
he made, but is only focused on helping his patients heal even if he charged them only what
they could afford.  His office to this day is sparce...He doesn't have a lot of patients. He doesn't
expect patients to come 3x a week and he works any hour a patient needs him, even Sunday
nights.  He is rare!

This is what Dr. R told me. A huge part of chiropractic today is business oriented and
everything changed when medical insurance companies stopped being so liberal about covering treatment. Chiros need to buy malpractice insurance, set up their offices, pay rent, hire help and yet, they are poorly and rarely being re-imbursed by insurance companies.  As patients were
losing coverage, claims being denied, it took more paperwork and time in order to fight for
coverage. It meant hiring additional office staff..And as people started to pay out of pocket, they saw their chiro less often....

So the entire chiro profession faced similar issues and  someone had to focus on helping these doctors become successful after getting out of school.  Otherwise, many new students would not chose this profession and never want to study for a career that didn't offer them future success. it was explained that in order to create a successful
chiropractic business, entrepreneurs started targeting new chiros and teaching them how to
grow their businesses. New grads would attend seminars and be given tools to employ -- tools
that were part of growing their business but not necessarily ever part of their education.  


Supplements and "add-ons" were profitable and explained to be a hedge against the rising costs of starting a practice and keeping one growing. I went to many chiros who charged extra for
tens devices, hot back compresses, foot baths.  Many started renting out their offices to yoga
instructors and massage therapists to help pay the rent for the "dead" time without enough
patients. . Dr. R made me aware of just how difficult it is to run a
successful chiropractor office.  That in todays world, it's more than healing...It's staying afloat
and paying the bills.  I was never aware of any of this.  I'd walk into a fully staffed office in
a nice setting and judge my experience by what looked to be many bells and whistles. I
somehow kept judging a book by its cover.

Be aware of the bells and whistles.  It's often necessary for the business but not necessarily
a measurement of how good the chiropractor really is.

Dr. R gave me one of those brochures from a seminar. He told me there are training programs
all over the country (and can be found online) where chiropractors attend financial brainstorming
events and are then marketed by salesmen who can sell them equipment to enhance their
practices.  

http://chiromarketingguide.com/chiropractic-business.html

Dr. R said he went to a few of those seminars because his chiro friends said "you're out of
touch....you can make so much more money these days"....Dr. R realized it wasn't who he was, and continued to struggle in his little basement office, no staff except his wife who was part time.  To this day, Dr. R is one of the only chiros who practice this way. I don't see him personally but I've recommended many people to him because I know he's still the "real deal...and always
will be..


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It depends on the individual practitioner. There are chiropractors who are well versed in natural health and are experts on prescribing herbs and supplements and other modalities, some have had additional, formal training in these, and others learned it in less formal ways. Then there are chiropractors who are salesmen and try to sell you a whole bunch of stuff that you really don't need.

Similarly, naturopaths can vary widely depending on personality, their specific training, etc.

And, as mentioned before, if you have neck or back problems, chiropractors have some tools that naturopaths don't have when it comes to the spine directly.


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I've been surprised by the level of training that students of Naturopathic Medicine at NCNM (National College of Natural Medicine in Portland, OR) are receiving in structural adjustment.  It is practically the same as what we get from a Chiropractor.  So it could be worth shopping by phone and seeing if an ND might have been trained that way.  I don't know if this is a trend, or just specific to that school.



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I've he'd more consistent and long-term results with osteopaths, when it comes to musculoskeletal issues.  They are everywhere ( look for a D.O. Instead of M.D. After their name). They are general practitioners and covered my insurance.  They only do adjustments when really necessary and no need to keep going back as the adjustments stick.  Mine also freely give advise on exercises to keep me from having it go out again, so I don't have to go back so often.

Some chiropractors are fantastic, but most I've been to were so-so.  All Osteopaths I've seen were great.  They are more holistic than MDs, but not a replacement for an ND.  So it depends on what you need, if my insurance covered NDs and there were reputable ones near me, I'd go to one at least once a year.  I'd see an osteopath when I had pain or needed a regular doctor.


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IMO, the results are a mixed bag. I think that the average chiro makes too many claims on what they can heal.  There are certain reasons to go to one, but if you have minor issues, it is better & cheaper(!) to do certain exercises & body movements.
If you have a problem with the lower spine, don't let them adjust the neck. Even tho it is rare, there are cases of stroke from neck adjustments.  


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I like the chiropractor I have now.  He finally figured out what was wrong with my feet/legs - before he even touched me.  He read my intake form.  I doubted him at first, but a second podiatrist and an MRI proved him correct.


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