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Christopher1
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http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/38868-smoking-is-good-for-you/

1 cigarette (good quality tobacco) a day - for hormesis.

Probably depends on your acetylator status as well.

(Not for pregnant women, of course.)
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Nicotine is a Monoamine Oxidase inhibitor... not good for O's.  Having said that, and I'll be ridiculed for saying this, I do believe there are worse things for your health than tobacco use.


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for those who can, it might act as an hormetic perhaps?
biological phenomena that are often adverse or detrimental but become beneficial when applied at low doses.....Dr D explained last IFHI


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for those who can, it might act as an hormetic perhaps?
biological phenomena that are often adverse or detrimental but become beneficial when applied at low doses.....Dr D explained last IFHI


Precisely.
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Nicotine is a Monoamine Oxidase inhibitor... not good for O's.  Having said that, and I'll be ridiculed for saying this, I do believe there are worse things for your health than tobacco use.


Might still be hormetic... 1 cigarette per day or so.
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I would imagine this would not be a good idea for someone with a family history of heart disease or cancer.  My sister had a heart attack at 59.  She was an occasional smoker.  Although all of my male cousins on my father's side have heart disease, only one female cousin has heart disease.  Her doctor felt it was likely the occasional cigarette smoking and stress that contributed to her heart attack.


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Not for this A family. My sister smoked up until 57 years old and she only quit because she was told by the doctor that she was going into emphysema. She also got osteoporosis from smoking. Now she smokes an electronic cigarette so she can still get the nicotine.   Well it's the lesser of the two evils.
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Like anything else, there is a wide range of individualization to take into account.  Maybe the addictive effect doesn't hit everyone the same way.  I smoked one cigarette a day through grad school and never wanted more than that.  Many decades later, I wouldn't subject my lungs to the smoke, but who knows ..  ?



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wasn't that a line from "Sleeper"...."We used to think smoking was bad for us.  Who knew? Smoking actually cures cancer!"
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0427944/

Great movie if you haven't seen it!


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got my further  genotests today and worsest of all seems to be for me : smoking  !!! even as being a superfast accylator..... sorry even this idea I think..... aber hallo and what else ....


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funny movie. I remember it.  I smoked off and on for about 10 years..quit for 3 went back from hanging around smokers... I finally quit when I was getting a smoker's cough. I got scared. I quit cold turkey 24 years ago and never looked back. ..  So happy I did  

Look at George Burns. Smoked cigars. Lived to be 100.  Some people can handle it.
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mostly in shizo-types smoke seems to be irrelevant.....


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Quoted from Christopher1
http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/38868-smoking-is-good-for-you/

1 cigarette (good quality tobacco) a day - for hormesis.

Probably depends on your acetylator status as well.

(Not for pregnant women, of course.)


I think my dad would be one of this guys. He seems very healthy. With fair skin and good judgement even though he is old


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I think there's a big difference between "modern cigarettes" and organic tobacco in a pipe and/or cigar. I've read that there are a lot of additives in the cigarettes besides the tobacco- I read that they put sugar in there, and then there are carcinogens in the paper they use for the outside, not to mention the pesticides used in tobacco. I'm not sure if tobacco is a GMO crop or not, but it's certainly bred for higher nicotine content than "ancient" varieties of the crop. It's kind of like the difference between spelt and modern wheat.

I can see the point to this, especially for individuals who live in places without air pollution. Also bear in mind that one cigarette a day (or the equivalent in a pipe or portion of  a cigar) is a REALLY small amount. Most "smokers" smoke several packs a week.


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I suppose one bullet is good for you, if it misses, just a shame you don't know which one will miss

Also the idea of a "good quality" cigarette is probably difficult to find.

where money = greed, profits out way quality. more and more

and since only 20 % of smoking animals live longer but are fatter and unhealthier, I'd be a non smoking animal. really.....

where all these test done using the same brand, lies statistics and ,ore statistics lol


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All good points.
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Quoted from ruthiegirl
I think there's a big difference between "modern cigarettes" and organic tobacco in a pipe and/or cigar. I've read that there are a lot of additives in the cigarettes besides the tobacco- I read that they put sugar in there, and then there are carcinogens in the paper they use for the outside, not to mention the pesticides used in tobacco. I'm not sure if tobacco is a GMO crop or not, but it's certainly bred for higher nicotine content than "ancient" varieties of the crop. It's kind of like the difference between spelt and modern wheat.

I can see the point to this, especially for individuals who live in places without air pollution. Also bear in mind that one cigarette a day (or the equivalent in a pipe or portion of  a cigar) is a REALLY small amount. Most "smokers" smoke several packs a week.
But we can grow our own tobacco, can't we?



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i think you need some kind of license to grow tobacco.


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I don't know. I've never tried. I mean, it's certainly possible to put tobacco seeds in the ground and let them sprout, and it will probably work. It will work well with marijuana seeds too- but you can be arrested for that particular weed. I don't know the laws about growing tobacco, as it's not something I'm personally interested in doing. I don't need to add tobacco smoke to my body for hormesis; I think I get enough car exhaust from living in NY.


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Guess it depends on what your smoking  
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Everyone I know that smokes cigarettes in moderate to lower quantities, yet eats lots of vegetables and less wheat, are certainly a lot healthier than the other people I know that drink soda and eat refined wheat all day and the such.
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Like anything else, there is a wide range of individualization to take into account.  Maybe the addictive effect doesn't hit everyone the same way.  I smoked one cigarette a day through grad school and never wanted more than that.  Many decades later, I wouldn't subject my lungs to the smoke, but who knows ..  ?


I smoked in college and grad school but was never a true smoker.  It was not hard for me to stop either.  
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Even tho I think I am somewhat addictive, I also could smoke one cigarette a day.
That was so many years ago. The last one was smoked in 1967!
Now in my 60s, I am tempted to smoke one once in a while, but the costs of insurance if you are a 'smoker' are higher.  Do I smoke one a month & then have to pay $20 a month more? No!


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I’ve smoked all my teen & adult life.  I quit for a while every now & then but always fall off the wagon.  It relieves stress.  I’m trying to quit now by substituting electronic cigarettes.  It’s too expensive to smoke.  I was smoking natural cigarettes at a place that had machines & a carton was ½ the price of commercial cigarettes.  But Illinois imposed a $20 manufacturing tax on them so they picked up their machines and moved elsewhere.  I’m also losing height but I think the damage might have been done from years of Pepsi drinking.  I now get my caffeine fix from green tea.  But they say smoking is not good for bones either.   Last Friday I had my annual biometrics done.  We get off on our health insurance at work if we take it. All the readings were in the excellent range.  I’ve got high of the good cholesterol and low and the bad.  My BMI is spot on. Triglycerides are excellent.  But smoking causes wrinkles and as I’m getting older, that bothers me.  It is also not socially acceptable anymore.  So I’m giving stopping another try.  It is not easy, there is something in those 6,000 other ingredients that has such a calming effect.


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I grew up around smoking, so I understand the smoker & am not offended by it!
I wish you well in quitting!

Years ago, Steve King of Steve & Johnnie fame(last on WGN radio)decided to smoke a brand he didn't like, hoping it would make him smoke less. I think it worked!
Can you give that a try?

Best wishes!


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I have a question for those using the electronic cigarettes.... if you use the nicotine solution, what dosage of nicotine do you use?? I bought the highest dose but I find it is too much when I'm puffing away all day long.... so I'm thinking, is it more reasonable to purchase a lower dose when you're puffing frequently all day long? Any opinions?  
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I have a question for those using the electronic cigarettes.... if you use the nicotine solution, what dosage of nicotine do you use?? I bought the highest dose but I find it is too much when I'm puffing away all day long.... so I'm thinking, is it more reasonable to purchase a lower dose when you're puffing frequently all day long? Any opinions?  


I would assume that the health benefits from hormesis would be one cigarette per day. Not much more. I have no clue though...
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If you are around strangers, especially students, all day and breathe in the same air they are coughing into, yeah, smoking would help kill germs in the respiratory system. As well as be a relaxing thing.
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lowest dose possible  



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I have a question for those using the electronic cigarettes.... if you use the nicotine solution, what dosage of nicotine do you use?? I bought the highest dose but I find it is too much when I'm puffing away all day long.... so I'm thinking, is it more reasonable to purchase a lower dose when you're puffing frequently all day long? Any opinions?  


I’m experimenting with the doses now.  I started too low then went too high.  I’m now in the middle.  I use Green Smoke.  I tried ePuffer but they were too harsh.  I’m experimenting with the flavors right now too.


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mostly in shizo-types smoke seems to be irrelevant.....


True. I noticed a lot of mentally ill patients in mental hospitals smoke.  Perhaps the belief that it won't hurt them?  
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I have a question for those using the electronic cigarettes.... if you use the nicotine solution, what dosage of nicotine do you use?? I bought the highest dose but I find it is too much when I'm puffing away all day long.... so I'm thinking, is it more reasonable to purchase a lower dose when you're puffing frequently all day long? Any opinions?  


This is the one my sister uses. It's kept her off cigarettes for 2 years now.
http://www.esmokeronline.com/Joye-510.html        
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True. I noticed a lot of mentally ill patients in mental hospitals smoke.  Perhaps the belief that it won't hurt them?  


Maybe they became addicted while "self-medicating" with tobacco. Or maybe they start smoking at the same rate as "mentally healthy" people, but lack the mental energy to quit smoking when their health is unstable.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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