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Hi all,

This is my first time posting, so bear with me. I've been monitoring these forums for quite a few months and have learned so much already. I do feel I may be in a very unique situation from most everyone else here, though. In our family, we have 3 type O's, 2 type B's, and I'm the only A. After reading the Genotype book, it's clear we have a mixture of all 6 genotypes in our family. If that sounds unlikely or nearly impossible, let me clarify by saying all 4 of my children are adopted (from 3 different countries). With my type B sons (16 year old twins), one is very strong Explorer and the other very strong Nomad. I've heard it said a person should not try to genotype younger children and simply follow the blood type diet, which I'm doing with my type O girls (9 and 7 years old). But, my older daughter seems to have strong Hunter and Explorer from a psychological standpoint as well as her inflammatory issues. My youngest is very new to our family, adopted from China 6 months ago, but seems to have strong Gatherer psychological tendencies. Also, my hubby is type O with strong Hunter tendencies. Finally, the genotype book classified me as an Explorer, but SWAMI made me a 40% Warrior (I have some Teacher tendencies also).

So, I'd love to hear some words of wisdom from others with many blood types/genotypes in their immediate family about grocery lists and food preparations. In the past I've always resisted preparing different foods for different kids mostly to avoid the extra hassle, but lately I've resigned myself to the fact that we all have very different dietary needs and if I want my family healthy I have to be O.K with serving many different food options. Everyone in the family is very accepting of our varying dietary needs, but it sure does confuse my youngest who is still learning English and wants to eat everything in sight.

I look forward to hearing from many of you. Thanks.

Coleen


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sounds exciting!!

I personally would watch my diet first and foremost and reset my genes from the start.......it will show, no worries!!

meanwhile, do your best in educating your kids about lectins and inflammation, leading to pathology at a later stage in their lives

let them know which foods are their worst avoids and have them keep those away making better choices
adapt the basics on them while slowly studying the gts of the older kids and migrating to gtd

always have available foods you can all share, in abundance and prepare protein for the Os and Bs as well as fish and turkey for all, interchangeably


here s a blogger who has the same dilemma, and has mastered the art to the T
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/chanur/?blog=13


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Ribbit is here some place, she will be along I am sure to help.


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I am an Explorer with Warrior and Teacher. You can do this! But like the story goes:

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Look for common ground. There are foods such as fish and turkey that probably everyone can eat. Most of the rest of your family can probably have lamb too. Make a list of all the veggies and fruits that you all have in common. If there is a particular food that one individual needs to stay healthy and others cannot tollerate, then serve it to them at lunch, breakfast, or as a snack, and try to make dinner a family event.


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What you want to do is figure out all the foods you have in common. and base shared meals on those foods. Don't even worry about "eating mostly beneficials and minimizing neutrals"- with multiple food lists in one family, eating neutrals freely is the only way to make meal planning work!

It's very rare for me to make "one dish meals" these days. Usually I make a bunch of different dishes- a protein, a grain (usually brown rice), an orange veggie and a green veggie. You may want to serve an animal protien (for the Os and Bs) as well as a vegetable protein for yourself at each meal. Individuals pick and choose which items they want and in which quantities. Alternatively, serve the Os and Bs beef in meals you eat separately and only serve compliant proteins (turkey and fish) for shared meals. Or make tofu or beans as an  additional dish on the table when your'e serving beef to the rest of the family.

There shouldn't be any need to make "3 or 4  separate meals each night." There should be enough grains and veggies you all have in common to simplify meal planning that much. Making beef AND tofu some nights, and turkey or fish other nights, should meet everybody's needs. I wouldn't bother having chicken in the house at all, unless it's for a meal the Bs won't be sharing at all.

How old is the youngest? I wouldn't worry overly much about a young child's diet while he or she is still adjusting to life in America. Learning "Mommy can have peanut butter but it's not healthy for me" can come later, once the child has matured more AND after mastering the English language. Kids really are quite resiliant, and can usually handle more "avoids" in their diets than adults do (especially adults who are trying to heal from decades of eating wrong.) Since the child likes to eat everything, be sure to offer plenty of type O beneficials and try to discourage the avoids, but don't sweat it.


Ruth, Single Mother to 20 yo  O- Leah , 18 yo O- Hannah, and  13 yo B+ Jack


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Lola: sounds exciting!!

I personally would watch my diet first and foremost and reset my genes from the start.......it will show, no worries!!

meanwhile, do your best in educating your kids about lectins and inflammation, leading to pathology at a later stage in their lives

let them know which foods are their worst avoids and have them keep those away making better choices
adapt the basics on them while slowly studying the gts of the older kids and migrating to gtd

always have available foods you can all share, in abundance and prepare protein for the Os and Bs as well as fish and turkey for all, interchangeably


here s a blogger who has the same dilemma, and has mastered the art to the T
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/chanur/?blog=13


Great advise..

I took on 4 kids form very bad parents and no clue about any food.  Binging and food fights where results as the kids had to go hungry for a week or so every so often.. NO management..

I had a great education on what do do with kids from on interest I had developed early for other Teens that came to live with me. Teaching self determination was my salvation.. They had to choose .. but I held the chips insofar as all the food was bought according to my list.. and I cooked all the meals, and we all ate together..

One teen was over weight, 2 ADAH, two brilliantly intelligent, one possibly already bulimic.. 1 O non, 2 Bs with personalities galore. I also had mom come live with me at some point, and she was B, so lots of fun juggling things left right and center.  

I shopped according to everyones needs, which I found the easiest of all things so long as I followed the list 80% and the other 20% was more healthy foods what the teens wanted, like endless fruit.  Interestingly they never looked for junk when other food was available. (I made allowances with in school lunches, their pizza, their junk food, their dairy and so on.) At home I had only compliant food.  

Cooking was easy, the question was never how much or what, but rather if you put it on your plate you have to eat it.. The portions of mountains of plates full of starchy foods soon became normal portions when fruit was available..

O nonnie girl was 'allergic' to milk, and she soon leaned that she would get sick from it, she also had enormous indigestion for no reason, a boy had a hand washing issue, while the other did not wish to shower every day .. so many issue.. BTD kept me and them sane.. knowing that I was providing the best health I could provide.  Mental health was equal to food.  

Cooking always was several vegetables and like with most people the kids choose to prefer some foods quite by accident along the lines of ABO Blood Group preferences.  Selections became a natural.  

What was great was that there was never a fight about : you must eat Grains, you must eat certain veggies, or you must have meat or endless cake and soda.. This conversation just did not come about, if it was needed, it was a time to place a list of foods on the wall and let everyone read his own.. kids are curious..little kids learn from pictures....  

What saved my day was MY SECURITY in knowing that my food list was good and much better than any they had before or will ever have again..

For little kids or teens having finger food is most important.. I had the fresh veggies in reach, the carrots peeled, and enough of them to make juice.. the kids while in my house never seemed to need to prefer one food over the other, they could have it if they felt it worth it, but in the end they chose without a fight FROM THE COMPLIANT foods I had bought in the first place.  

The fights where more over going to bed earlier, or clean your rooms - HANGING ALL CLOTHES was and still is my salvation.. saves on washing clean but wrinkled clothes over and over.. and saves on shopping as all was neat and looking pretty..  

YET all this, while I was getting very sick from a severe allergy to stuff in my (new) big house.  But once we figured out what it was, I felt at last as if I had a handle on living.  

Was the entire experience worth it, was it a struggle, YES the 4th child seems to be the one putting the family dynamics under severe stress.. Having your children form early on will make a big difference.  

Enjoying fun things in life are even more important.

Doing craft things, building memories is important, taking pictures, and making wish boards would be my priority today, allowing kids to paste any item seen in a catalog to be posted on a tack board.. in that way they can have 'virtually' every thing.. in my time it was posters on the wall..

Today all are grown and doing well ... memories of the nightmares and the good times is all that I look back on today.. and Mom recuperated from her cancer and lived for 10 more years.. time is all I have now to look back on, while still paying for the cost of it all..

The reward from good food is 50% of what I could give to all, the rest was taking caring to a high level - including mental help when needed or tutoring - getting up KNOWING that I would do all that I could to make a difference was the other...

In the end, teaching about all of LIFE was my most important job.  Teaching Independence, teaching self reliance, and never needing to lie or hide was my biggest achievement.

BTD Food taught the kids automatic from their insides out. Choices where their own to learn from.

I lived by the teaching 'principal' of this story: NOT people pleasing -but self governing!

There was a 10 year old/young child sledding down a busy street.. having great fun..

Someone knowing STEP - Parenting walked up to the child and told him it was dangerous down below as it is a busy street full of oncoming traffic..

The child answered, IT does not matter, Mom is not here to see me..  
  


The other was, my acceptance that every person and kid should make 2000 mistakes. 10 minutes of self pity and then start every day fresh..  BUT learn from the mis-takes (in the movies they call that CUT) .. do so becomes an experience.. worth every bit of whatever..

Thinking of this almost makes me envy you.. all the fun is still ahead of you and your children.. diversity is so educational.. all the best..    

  

    

    


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In July DNP will be releasing a new version of SWAMI Xpress that will include special tools to help people bring together different food recommendations for the family and thus create common meals ...


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C-Sharp, will that meal planning tool allow you to combine food lists with the basic BTD food lists for family members who don't have SWAMI?


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C-Sharp, will that meal planning tool allow you to combine food lists with the basic BTD food lists for family members who don't have SWAMI?


I think not.

But I have not directly worked with the combining part, so anything I say is speculation.

This is what the last newsletter said about this feature in SWAMI Xpress version 2 :

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Now cross reference your SWAMI diet with your family member’s profiles! Allows for multiple diet reports to be linked and cross referenced for easier meal planning!


Sorry I cannot do a little better here in giving an answer.


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Well, if meal planning with BTD isn't in the current update, I hope that feature is considered for future updattes. I pretty much do my own meal planning the old fashioned way, but it's something that I think would be useful for many families. Its' very common for Mom and/or  Dad to get SWAMI while the kids are put on BTD.


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Well, if meal planning with BTD isn't in the current update, I hope that feature is considered for future updattes. I pretty much do my own meal planning the old fashioned way, but it's something that I think would be useful for many families.


Meal Planning is in the current release of SWAMI Xpress.

It has been enhanced in version 2.

The interface in version 2 is drag and drop.  This interface is now in SWAMI GenoType and my testing indicates it is considerably improved from the meal planner in SWAMI Xpress version 1.

SWAMI Xpress version 2 allow you to create multi linked account to "Add a family member…or two…or three!"

But I do not know whether it allows you to combine it with other non SWAMI diets.  


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Will this add-on SWAMI cost extra?
I still have to find my password for the old one since we moved. I am sure I put it in a small box with other valuable(to me) books, but am not sure where it is.
If I cannot find it, does Dr. D's office have a copy of it somewhere?


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Will this add-on SWAMI cost extra?


No charge for upgrade, but you may need SWAMI for other family members to be able to link accounts.

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I still have to find my password for the old one since we moved.
If I cannot find it, does Dr. D's office have a copy of it somewhere?


Yes, They are able to either provide old passwords or reset them.

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Thanks for the helpful advice folks! I'm slowly but surely adapting to this new family lifestyle of eating. We do try to focus on one main dish for dinner with different vegetable or side dish options occasionally, but often times breakfast and sometimes lunch varies considerably. We do a lot of turkey in various forms (organic sandwich meat, whole bird, breasts, ground, etc.) and always have various forms of rice also (cooked cereal, brown rice, rice cakes, cold cereal, crackers, etc). We can't really go wrong with those food items, although being a type A I'm still limited in my turkey portions even though it is a superfood.

My 2 teenage sons have spent a considerable amount of time studying the blood type/genotype diets in our home school and are quite knowledgeable on the result of lectin damage to their bodies. Learning about the chicken connection and lectin damage to type B's was quite an eye opener, so they know as they grow older and become more independent that they should stay away from it as much as possible.

Even though my girls are type O I'm not too hard on them in terms of limiting compliant carbs, as long as they don't contain wheat. My type O husband doesn't do well with many carbs, period. However, my littlest girl, due to her institutionalization in a Chinese orphanage, has digestive issues. She doesn't get sick easily, but we can see a lot of horizontal lines in her fingerprints indicating digestive issues and has suffered from chronic constipation until just recently. If she eats wheat or a significant portion of a non-compliant she immediately becomes constipated in spite of my best efforts to keep her regular. There is no doubt she was fed a very poor diet for the first 6 years of her life and it's taking months to overcome it. She just turned 7 last weekend, by the way. It's wonderful to see her eating so well and her drinking preferences have expanded, unlike the first few weeks we had when we were just grateful when she wanted to eat or drink anything. Those stressful days are long behind us.

Cute story before I wrap things up. My older 9 year old daughter is really into studying Egyptian
history and decided a few weeks ago she was going to translate her O blood type food ratings into Egyptian hieroglyphics. She started with the fish section, which is quite long, and plans to continue with the other parts of the diet. Who would have thought?

Thanks again everybody. Education is a lifelong process, isn't it?

Coleen


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I wonder if your 7yo would benefit from supplements to help heal her gut faster. You might want to start a separate thread about her issues. I'm not an expert on which supplements are good, I just know enough to suggest that she may need some.


Ruth, Single Mother to 20 yo  O- Leah , 18 yo O- Hannah, and  13 yo B+ Jack


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Congratulations on your family!


Food for thought on constipation.  




http://www.cdd.com.au/pages/disease_info/constipation.html


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My little girls constipation problems really are much better now. After researching the problem a bit I started adding powdered magnesium to her rice milk every day a few months ago, as well as a little grapefruit seed extract. The daily drink was palateable as long as I added a few drops of Stevia. Now I give it to her about every other day as long as things are moving well, otherwise I up the dosage a bit.

I didn't mention it before, but my daughter has multiple special needs, one being born with a cleft lip and palate. The lip and the palate were operated on in China a few years ago by a wonderful missions group, but with this condition multiple surgeries are inevitable. She will be having another palate surgery soon, hopefully before the summer is out. Before the palate is initially repaired eating problems are something you can always expect (for obvious reasons). The initial palate surgery appeared to be very successful, but there's a tiny fistula (opening) right behind her front teeth that needs to be closed off. If she drinks liquids too fast or without being careful, she will asperate. These physical problems, along with improper care in the orphanage, resulted in her inability to know how to properly chew food. It was also apparent that she was not given much to drink given her lack of interest initially to drink anything. These problems we started out with are much better now with plenty reminders/encouragement to eat slowly and chew food carefully, as well as the expectation to drink fluids frequently during the day and smaller amounts at mealtime. I also think, now that she's become more physically active and her muscle tone is improving tremendously, that constipation is less likely to be an issue anymore.

Thanks for expressing concern for my little girl, all of you who addressed her needs specifically.  

Coleen


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