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BluesSinger
Tuesday, April 17, 2012, 12:57pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Hello All..

yesterday I had a pretty good sized bowl of basmati mixed with wild rice.  Last night I was hurting so bad all over.. thumb joints, knees, neck, feet. .. everything.

I did have a bit of WHEY - I KNOW A COMPLETE NO NO..  the night before and a bit yesterday.

but it was a small amount.  so i'm wondering about the rice and whether it's a food that causes oesteoarthritis reactions in some Hunters or O Hunter Types.

Thanks for any feedback.  
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sustain my energy levels plus my thinking is much clearer during training.I'm O+ and currently i've been blending a mixture of spinach, kale, and blue berries in the morning and evening. In between I eat beef, lamb, and some sardines during the week. I snack on plums, pears, and seeds in between meals along with the occasional quinoa. Also I found that sweet potato is the best before my training. I'm boosting my weight training soon and will supplement some pea protein powder. I used to use whey protein and it made so bloated.



blame it on the whey, best, even if a small amount....clear your diet off avoids


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yesterday I had a pretty good sized bowl of basmati mixed with wild rice.  Last night I was hurting so bad all over.. thumb joints, knees, neck, feet. .. everything.
I did have a bit of WHEY - I KNOW A COMPLETE NO NO..  the night before and a bit yesterday. but it was a small amount.  
so i'm wondering about the rice and whether it's a food that causes oesteoarthritis reactions in some Hunters or O Hunter Types.

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blame it on the whey, best, even if a small amount....clear your diet off avoids
But Lola she says it was "just a small amount of whey"??!!
Not withstanding the possibility that the effect from a small amount had built up in your system.... as you hadn't experienced any reaction from it on the previous 2 occasions, I am personally more inclined to think it is the rice??!!
I get a 2lb overnight fluid retention from even a small amount of brown rice or rice flour - not white it seems... Maybe it is the fructans in the brown rice that affect me, but also it is a black dot for a Gatherer for a reason obviously (& perhaps your Hunteresqeness has a small amount of Gatherer in it?)
Also if it wasn't organic, there's the possibility of pesticides to consider & I think I read also that rice can contain gluten as well as copper & arsenic, among other things

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I've been reading about arsenic being found in rice and that even brown rice syrup is causing high arsenic levels in organic products.  I've depended on rice products for years because of celiac disease and have been trying to cut back on my rice consumption because of this new information on arsenic in rice.  I have not found a rice source that guarantees low arsenic levels in their rice but perhaps I just need to keep looking.  I don't know if arsenic could cause your symptoms or not.
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I was tending a bonfire about 3 years ago, composed of treated lumber.  Definitely got some arsenic in me - woke up the next morning and felt like death.  Don't know about rice, but definitely do not burn treated wood


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The Lundberg company has some info about arsenic in foods.  It seems the government will complete a study this spring to try to decide what are safe levels of arsenic in our foods.


http://www.lundberg.com/Info/Arsenic.aspx
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What else was in that meal? Was it some pre-packaged "basmati and wild rice blend" that may have had questionable additives? Was there anything else "new" in the rest of the meal?

If there are no other additives, then the problem must be from the wild and/or basmati rice. I would tend to suspect the wild rice before the basmati rice, but only because basmati is beneficial on my SWAMI and wild rice is only a neutral. It's possible for you to react OK to wild rice but not basmati, or to react poorly to both of them.

I agree with the assessment that it could be a delayed reaction to the whey, but it seems unlikely, since you had no overt reactions prior to that meal and then a dramatic reaction afterwards. If you ate whey a few days in a row and then noticed you were more stuffed up, or some other subtle reaction, I'd be more likely to suspect the whey.


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Bluesinger,

I have the same reaction to brown basmati rice (  I buy organic) or any other type of rice. I now bake with almond flour and can also eat buckwheat, millet, amaranth and quinoa. But rice causes severe pain in my knees, neck and ankles. Makes it painful to do yoga.I stopped following my SWAMI and went back to type O diet. Feel better and actually really did much better on the Hunter diet than the Gatherer diet.


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Interesting - kittykar1? Did you measure out as a Gatherer initially?
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Bluesinger,

I have the same reaction to brown basmati rice (  I buy organic) or any other type of rice. I now bake with almond flour and can also eat buckwheat, millet, amaranth and quinoa. But rice causes severe pain in my knees, neck and ankles. Makes it painful to do yoga.I stopped following my SWAMI and went back to type O diet. Feel better and actually really did much better on the Hunter diet than the Gatherer diet.


So i'm confused.. are you on the O Diet or the Hunter diet?  

I must admit, my system has been comprised lately with some 'travel' eating and I may be over sensative.. but in general.. I had read somewhere where someone had said rice had affected their joints.. so I want to keep an eye on this.  I haven't noticed it in the past - however.. I have learned that I have been living with a certain level of pain unconsciously.  The pain I had the other night was extreme.. so it made me want to keep a diary of foods and how they are affecting me.. honing my Swami Hunter diet in to where I am really pain free and healthy.  Extreme pain will do it every time!  If I have small amounts of pain, I make excuses to keep eating certain foods.  But this pain was enough to keep me up and scare me into wanting to take action.  

Great Spiritual teachers are known to say "when the pain in life gets too great, one will make change."  
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I really like the BTD Arthritis book. I follow that type of diet whenever I get way off track. It's strict, like an elimination diet for me really. I make the excuses too for minimal pain then I push it and pay for it. I don't know if I will ever really get this but I am trying and don't intend on quitting. Whole foods are good for me and my family regardless if I fall off here and there. I wish it could be pointed out my exact foods that I should keep away from but it is for me to figure out. It's just so frustrating when it is "healthy" foods, oh well, it's coming along all the same. Hope you pin point it. Why don't you test the foods separately after a week of being really compliant? In general, I have to keep my veggies up and carbs low.
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Yes, I initially measured for the Gatherer. I had two other people remeasure and recalculate to make sure it was correct, but something is still not right. I don't do well on many of the Gatherer diamonds . For example sweet potato is a neutral, but it is really good for me and I fell great when I eat them. I hate fish, can't stand the smell of it and pretty much came close to throwing up, when I tried to force myself to eat it. Most of my genoharmonics include fish and radishes or cherry juice.

When I started with BTD almost four years ago I know I had a lot of healing to do, but I am not still there and have not lost any weight,( but have lost inches and a couple of clothes sizes) following portions and diet strictly.

I am becoming more and more sensitive to chemicals, supplements( for example, Sciencia and Detoxical D-keeps me awake all night, just one capsule in the am) and packaged foods (even from allowable ingredients). Many smells bother me now, that never did before. When I filled out SWAMI I answered no to most of the chemical type questions, now I wonder if I may be an Explorer?

From the Genotype Book, I  tried the Hunter Diet and felt pretty good, this was after doing the Gatherer for 6 months with no results and not feeling that well on it. But then I spent the money on the SWAMI and followed that for 2 years, with really no change. So I switched back to the type O level 2 in the Live Right Book a couple of months ago, hoping for the best. I eat very little grain and lots of greens and veggies. Stick close to the fruit servings which is two a day and eat nuts sparingly.

So either I was really a lot sicker than I thought or I am not on the right plan yet. My body as always seemed to like to do things the hard way.


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kitty - sounds very similar to what I am going through...I initially thought I measured as a Gatherer too, but definitely have Explorer tendencies I used to think I could get there eating Gatherer foods, with attention to very low glycemic foods & also taking Explorer needs into the equation...

From memory of doing that & looking back on some stuff I wrote in 2010 I was going ok too... That was also over a time when my (now ex) manager recognised there was a problem with two of us reacting very badly to essential oils which were used & burned at work, so she kindly stopped burning them...

But with a change of managers (to one who wasn't as kind) & getting such a lot of over exposure to oils/fragrances again, as well as the fumes from the glue on a sticker, (that another boss left on a heater, while using it for several weeks), I got over totally exposed to toxins at work

As I also react to so much (just about all) on the Fodmaps list, as well as sulphites & a couple of other categories, I am thinking I really need to head in that direction?! Of course eating as an O as well, narrows the list of available foods even more...
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Possom,

It's really kind of weird but the longer I'm on this plan the less I can tolertae, supps and foods. I also wonder if there was a mistake made in secretor status, although I seem todo fine with apples and other things that would be an avoid if I was a nonnie. I can tolerate pinto beans really well, when I occasionally eat them with fajitas though.

I use my gray hair as an indicator! I quit coloring my hair about 3 years ago, boy was that hard to do seeing all those gray hairs pop out, actually they are a very reflective silver color. I got highlights to help belnd as the color grew out, which took about 2 years. I still get highlights about 3 times a year. My hair is slowly returning to its natural dark brown color, a little at a time. If I don't eat avoids it continues on the darkening path, but if I get a little of an avoid ( usually by accident) it starts (within a few hours), turning back to silver. If I eat rice or say rice crackers more than once a week the return to silver begins again.  So other than migraines and the hump on my back increasing in size a little (it is now hardly noticable, thanks to eating this way and Kundalina Yoga), the hair has been a good indicator of poor food choices, even many foods that are diamonds or benes in my SWAMI.

Since returning to the type O about a month ago, I have lost inches off of lower, mid and upper back and some around the rib area in front. So I guess I will just stick with it. Did like the thought of genetic healing though.


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kitty - it's so great having someone around my age & going through such similar things, to chat to re all this (Even with similar names, as in both animals lol) Maybe we should start a new thread, since neither of us are hunters

Very interesting thoughts...re the hair - I remember mine was regaining its colouring when I look back at things I wrote in '10 & it is again now... So very fascinating to hear that if you eat avoids, it can start within hours to silver up... I was only thinking last night, it seems that can happen with me but thought I was imagining it Have to confess, my avoids were totally deliberate last night though

Last year, (coincidentally??? not ) when I was getting exposed to toxins (scented oils) the most, I had a broad band of silver on the right side of my temple??!! Silver all gone there now
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So other than migraines and the hump on my back increasing in size a little (it is now hardly noticable, thanks to eating this way and Kundalina Yoga), the hair has been a good indicator of poor food choices, even many foods that are diamonds or benes in my SWAMI.

Since returning to the type O about a month ago, I have lost inches off of lower, mid and upper back and some around the rib area in front. So I guess I will just stick with it. Did like the thought of genetic healing though.
So glad you are seeing such good progress...Very inspiring Genetic healing isn't quite so important now I guess at our age? Except I guess avoiding the aging conditions passed down by our Parent's & Grandparent's
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Possom- yes we could start a new thread that could be interseting. Ate mexican take-out last night, my head hurt too bad to cook. I feel guilty when I don't cook but it hardly ever happens. Way better than hubby's cooking though, it's almost inedible. Had mixed fajitas with beef, chicken and shrimp. Lots of onions and peppers, no tortillas or cheese,but ate the rice and beans. The silver is there this morning bright and shiny. Don't know if it was the beans or the rice. Guess I'm going to have to totally remove rice from my diet. My tortilla, favorite pie crust and pizza crust  recipes all have rice flour, so I guess I will have to search or experiment and find new ones.

Going to look at my genoharmonics today and see if there are any I can do that fall under the O plan, definetly not going with horse, moose or fish ones.o

Made a double batch of almond milk and need to bake bread today. Still kinda of have a headache, started the Trehalose yesterday. Hope that is not the cause of the headache.


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Going to look at my genoharmonics today and see if there are any I can do that fall under the O plan, definetly not going with horse, moose or fish ones.o  

Still kinda of have a headache, started the Trehalose yesterday. Hope that is not the cause of the headache.
Judging by other people's comments it could be (effect of detox)

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Ya that's what I thought too. Noticed yesterday  and today that I'm peeing like crazy, often and large amounts.


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