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Maus
Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 1:05am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Red meat makes me hungry and crave sweets.  Anyone share the same problem?  I wish it was not so.  I love red meat, but swami gives me 6 servings fish, 5 servings vegetable protein, 4 servings red meat and 3 servings poultry.  I am only 42% hunter and I guess borderline explorer.  I am doomed to live on fish  .   ?
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Hi Maus, have you checked what the animal was fed? If grain fed, it may be that the grain is inducing hunger (like eating carbs can do that to some people) Also grain fed meat has the wrong balance of Omega 6 & 3... Just a couple of reasons you may be reacting this way?!
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Good point.  I know it said organic which could just mean no antibiotics and growth hormone.  Is buffalo usually grass fed?  I have the same reaction to that.  I also tried lean and fatty meat.  Fatty meat is worse for me.

BTW, I love your signature.  Sometimes when I get weak I remember this line and it helps.  The little things in life  
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Aww Maus thanks!!! What is the correct way to pronounce your name? I want to say Mouse?
Not sure about Bison - never encountered such a beast in NZ or Aus... Tho' I'd like to... Should be grass fed, but I don't know - depends if they are farm raised?

I wonder if any of the beasties you eat are soy or corn fed?! Most likely one if not both... I have really weird over-reactions to both grains...(being a nonnie & an explorer-type...) If the fat is worst for you, that is possibly because any toxins get stored in the animal's fat (& those could be wrong-food-for-the-beast-toxins)

For you being a hunter which also have inflammatory issues, may be the same for you? All the best hun
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I think meat is not making (me hungry) but when I eat meat I eat less of the other things.. so yes I could be hungry, but in truth I just might need more veggies or even a starch.. without meat I am hungry all day..and looking for more foods..

I can not tell about fish as i generally don't eat any..

turkey is somewhere in the middle but I am still more likely to look for 'something'..


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It is pronounced similar to mouse.  Same meaning.

  I will try it out once more making sure to get organic AND grass fed this time.  See how it goes.
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I agree,  turkey followed by fish makes me physically full for a long time but not satisfied.  I have no cravings, but  feel like I need something else.  Red meat is more satisfying, but the feeling lasts only for half an hour.  then the hunger and cravings kick in.
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I agree,  turkey followed by fish makes me physically full for a long time but not satisfied.  I have no cravings, but  feel like I need something else.  Red meat is more satisfying, but the feeling lasts only for half an hour.  then the hunger and cravings kick in.
Turkey is often fed soy here in NZ & fish can be fed grains if farm raised...(more likely same if not worse in other countries )
Also, turkey is high in sulphur, & fish can be sprayed with sulphites to keep them fresh till they are brought to shore...More reasons meat etc can cause that strange feeling?! Also are you drinking enough water in between? Just another thought...

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recently I too have found protein of any kind makes me a little hungrier. I eat wild fish and grass fed meats so it's no grains. IDK whats's going on. I only 'crave' veggies these days but still get the hunger thing after protein so I've been eating small amounts (1-2) ounces at a time several times a day and that helps. Weird thing too is I joined our gym again although I always worked out, just harder now and I feel like like I need way less food in general. I don't get cravings  for starch or sweets, just a little hungrier after protein. I wish I knew what it was.


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I agree,  turkey followed by fish makes me physically full for a long time but not satisfied.  I have no cravings, but  feel like I need something else.  Red meat is more satisfying, but the feeling lasts only for half an hour.  then the hunger and cravings kick in.[quote][/quote]

I think you might not be eating enough vegetables and some starch veggies with it and so feel hungry, having been used to eating much more of the foods that numb the feelings.. like avoids..

when I started the diet I ate much more meat then I do now.. as much as 3 times as much..

haaang in there and see if 6 weeks will not make a difference.. that seems to be how long some memories habits seem to hang on..

find things to eat that will satisfy the need for oils like walnuts.. that will help over salads veggies, a handful.. smoothies..

eat much more veggies, sweet potatoes .. or other veg proteins..

I know it all is confusing but just cut your self some slack.. you will figure this out..    every time I make changes I need to start from scratch to get comfortable..

I would ask are you looking to drop weight .. any diabetes in your family?  that will make a big difference in my answers..  


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Hunger can be a good thing at times- have you been under-eating? Do you need to gain weight? Are there nutrients your body has been lacking?

I usually find that cravings for sweets means that I need more real food. Perhaps you need more healthy carbs like root veggies, beans, or grains. Perhaps you needed more fat with the meal, or more protein. Maybe you simply didn't eat ENOUGH red meat with the meal. If you don't eat a lot of red meat, your body truly craves the nutrietns in there, and when you get some, your body says "hey!  That's what I've been needing! Gimme some more!"

If you've  been eating much less than the reccomended portions of red meat for a while, you may need to eat "more than reccomended" red meat for a few weeks to compensate. Your appetite should balance out once you've been properly nourishing yourself for a while.


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I have been eating little meat and virtually no fat for a long time prior to starting BTD.  Caloric restriction on top of all that.  The ususal bodily abuse.  It might just take a while longer.
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How about fluids?  Are you drinking enough water?  
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I try to drink enough, but that definately could use some improvement.  

Are there any hunters/type Os who do not eat any red meat and stay with fish, poultry and allowable beans?
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Quoted from Maus
I try to drink enough, but that definately could use some improvement.  

Are there any hunters/type Os who do not eat any red meat and stay with fish, poultry and allowable beans?


I have tried to do the pescatarian thing several times, but it never fails.... I always want the grass fed beef back in my life if I want to feel well.

I do eat poultry. however, I am more focused on wild fish and gf red meat. Everyone is different, just experiment and see how you feel.
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Red meat makes me tired. Can't do it. Fish gives me lots of good 'ol energy  
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Perhaps it is your metabolism ramping up. You just have to wait out the sugar cravings as your body adjusts to a stable blood sugar usage of carbohydrates and converting protein to energy, at a better rate than before!
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I usually crave sweets after a meal, red meat or otherwise.

Bison/buffalo are not necessarily grass fed.

Eat lots of veggies with your meat.  I sometimes have a red meat lunch from Whole Foods, a few slices of brisket, and I always pile on some green veg too (kale or broccoli or whatever).  I find that satisfying, and I am someone who has to deal with cravings.  We're all different, though, so I hope you find what works best for you.  
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I love red meat, can't function without.  Try to buy meat that says "grass fed".
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Maus, it sounds like you need to increase your fat consumption with your meat.  With a stir fry, I usually try to cook the vegetables in the meat juices and nothing else.  For dishes with a lot of spices you may well need to add a little olive oil to the hot food to moisten and fully activate the hot spices.  Another alternative is clarified butter - it makes almost any food it touches taste better.

The only reaon I have not started deep frying my food in clarified butter  -  is that I may not be able to stop!


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Thanks everyone for your great input.  I took each and everyone's advise to heart and came up with the following and I do not feel as hungry:

As advised, drinking more helps.

Portion control by making meat more of a side dish rather than the main course.  As many of you said, eat your vegetables.

If possible eating real steak instead of ground meat.  Somehow it fills me up better.  Especially after I heard that they put ammonia in ground beef and feed it to kids at school  .  The ammonia is supposed to kill of any bacteria in the meat (and probably the people who eat it).  
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If possible eating real steak instead of ground meat.  Somehow it fills me up better.  Especially after I heard that they put ammonia in ground beef and feed it to kids at school  .  The ammonia is supposed to kill of any bacteria in the meat (and probably the people who eat it).  
Indeed??!! Whether that is the intent, it may well be the outcome
Glad things are settling down with you... Whereabouts are you in the world btw? Wondering how far spread that ammonia in red meat thing is??!!

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This is here in the US.
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BUT the US often sends the new stuff over seas as food for the poor to see how they fare with it.. not all 'help' is without motives..

as for eating Meat, I think I can feel tired with any food unless it's sugar.. it seems the body needs to digest and uses all the energy to do so.  but after that is done then I feel great..

I think energy is a state of mind.. LIKE when you are in love, then the hormones make sure you are never to tired to climb mountains even.. IT's all hormonal..

IT just feels like the meat is doing it.. it takes energy to digest, and some of us have been starved for so long that we are underneurished in the stuff we NEED.. LIKE hormones..

I am on the lookout for foods that will activate my hormone levels.. and I wish I know more about how to do that..

I have been taking naps after eating since I was a baby.. I also was underneurished for 32 years from having to battle my milk component 'allergy'..  and I also think that emotionally (hormonal) I feel tired because there is not enough excitement in my life. like: falling in love would be a good thing haha I remember well .. and man how goood I looked and felt.. staying awake all day and half the night.. but after it was over, I fell asleep for weeks.. haha    



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