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cowgirlmama04
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I hope that I can post this here, if not please let me know. Here is my story and my confusion.

My mother is tested as type O+ and my father is tested as AB+. I know that it should only be possible for me to be an A+ or a B+ based on their blood types. But I am tested as an O+, and I have no doubt that he is my father and that I am not the milk mans baby as I am the spitting imagine of my dad. No we haven't had any further testing done, strictly because here in Canada, I can't even get my doctors to order a secretor test, forget about Bombay testing and trying to figure out if my father is a possible chemira, and I don't have the extra funds to get a DNA test to prove that we need further testing.

Anyway, I also just did my genotype testing, and I am confused about the results there as well.
Strength testing looks as follows
Hunter   16
Gatherer  3
Teacher   16
explorer   0
Warrior    19
Nomad      24

With Intermediate testing between Hunter and Explorer I am obviously a Hunter, but strength test as a Nomad.

Some how, I am going to have to get DNA testing done with my Dad, and try to figure out the Blood type problem once and for all.
Has anyone ever had this issue, where they strength test higher in a genotype that they shouldn't even be? I feel that I relate more to Nomad with Hunter tendencies. Which diet should I follow? Has any one else been in this strange place that I find myself?

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JillP
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As an O you can only be a Hunter, Gatherer or Explorer.

Did you measure and check the chart in the back of the book?  (See Chapter 4)

Early blood tests could have been wrong, maybe you need to get the blood type kit from the website and test your Dad again.  It is around $5.  Might be worth it to resolve your frustration  

Good luck


Married to a wonderful O- sec Hunter - he has already lost his 15 pounds...I have a few more to go    We both follow SWAMI

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cowgirlmama04
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Yes I used all the measurement equations in the book and kit , and then double checked them all as well, and I got a new blood test kit to make sure that my doctor was right on what blood type I am, as well as my father. So nothing changed there.


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Very interesting...I read a book where there was a chemira, I had never heard of it before that....

Swami would figure it out and customize a plan just for you...for now maybe just stick to an O diet until you can get Swami or try a Hunter and see how you feel.

For now just know you are special  


Married to a wonderful O- sec Hunter - he has already lost his 15 pounds...I have a few more to go    We both follow SWAMI

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I would use the advanced calculator table in the back of the book, most of the time with Os your secretor status makes no difference in the advanced calculator results.




Based on the intermediate calculator (which should be used in preference to the basic calculator, but ignored if you can get results using the advanced calculator.) you are a Hunter.


MIfHI                            I follow a SWAMI diet.
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Lin
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Very interesting, my mother is convinced her parents were like yours, My mother is tested as type O+ and my father is tested as AB+. But the children that came from their union are A/B, B, and O, so I was convinced she had it wrong and one parent was in fact A and the other B with both having recessive "o".
I've googled and researched and understand that there is a rare type where someone looks like O but is B or it might be the other way round.
I'd love to find out more about this just to understand it all.


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cowgirlmama04
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OK so then I should go with the Hunter Diet vs the Nomad diet. I will give that a try and see how I do on it    
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Just remembered  read somewhere that rarely a person's blood is typed wrong, perhaps you could double check your blood type given you strength tested strongest for Nomad which could mean you are B with a recessive O.  Just a thought.


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Ya we thought that too since it was 9 yrs ago that I was tested and about the same for my dad when he started donating blood, so we both ordered new test and went into to donate again. We are double sure that he is AB and I am an O
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It sounds like the genetics didn't work as advertised...   Go with what the test says and great health!


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Wonderful Wife = A+ Teacher; Darling Daughter = A- SWAMI Explorer
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Thank You all for your help, I am excited to start the hunter diet, and see how much better I can feel. But I have to admit..... there are a lot of foods that I am going to miss I love my apples with peanut butter, pickles, and pumpkin pie loaded with nutmeg, But I sure am glad that red meat is high on my list. I couldn't do without my steak
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Wow that is so interesting that you retested and your father an A/B and you an O.
So it is possible. Good to know that, feel bad now that I was trying to convince my mother that her parents blood groups were something different.
Good luck with the O diet!


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paul clucas
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Cowgirlmama, you may need more help with determining your Genotype.

I saw on the thread with a poll about whorl fingerprints that you have 9 ulnar loops and a radial loop as I do.

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-GTDdiet/m-1329515791/s-25/

If that radial is on one of your index fingers it is the classic sign of being an Explorer. It ought to give you an Explorer strenght test of 3.


Explorer Monograph


Just because you are a hunter it does not mean you are a GT1 Hunter!

I know a gentleman who is a hunter in both respects.  Since he eats right for his type, hunting partners of twenty or thirty years his junior have difficulty keeping the pace he can set!


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Hello all,
I was searching for an answer along these lines.  But after finding this topic I hope I'm not going derail it.  I want to know which is more accurate... the advanced or strength test?  

I recently took my genotype test.  The advanced test differed from the strength test. Then I filled out the Swami and it matched the strength test.

My wife was excited to hear about my genotype and so we tested hers.  I don't have the Change your Destiny book and I don't plan on buying it now I have the Swami.  The intermediate test and advanced test both say she's a Teacher.  But the strength test strongly says Gatherer.   I feel all my calculations are correct.  I'm confused.  The strength test doesn't even look at your blood type.  

I'd get her the Swami but she's not interested. The BTD is working well for her.

Any pointers?

Thanks,
Josh


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Advanced test is base on better information. If you have enough data to get a result using the advanced calculator you should use the result of the advanced calculator.




If you have results based on SWAMI, they are based on far more information and you should use the SWAMI results over those produced by either the intermediate of advanced calculators.


MIfHI                            I follow a SWAMI diet.
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If the wife has blood type A, she is a teacher and not a gatherer.


MIfHI                            I follow a SWAMI diet.
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Wow!  Thanks for the super fast replys!    Yes, the wifey is A+.


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We read the monograph of the Teacher.  She's very smart and a problem solver.  But none of the physical body characteristics matched. Not one.
Aren't they suppose to match?  Even if only a few?  All I need is her torso to leg measurements, finger length and blood type/secreter status to do the advanced right?  

Sorry, I had to ask because my advanced test said I was an Explorer but the strength and Swami said Nomad.  It's funny 'cause I could be an Explorer to in characteristics but the wifey doesn't even come close?

Any further help would great.  I must have goofed somewhere?

Josh


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1) The diet you are given in SWAMI will not match the explorer diet in the book so although the label may sound the same it is not really the same thing.

2) The advanced calculator also uses Rh factor.

3) You do not have to match the descriptions. I do not find them helpful, so I ignore them. Other people find them helpful--you can ponder them if you want to, I would rather get on with the diet.

4) Your wife as an A, can only be a Teacher, Explorer, or Warrior. Both the intermediate and advanced calculator indicated she was a Teacher. It is possible that SWAMI would indicate that she is an explorer or warrior, but if it does it will recommend a diet different from the books explorer or warrior diet anyway.


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1. only use advanced calculator, once you know BT and RH status

2. if using swami, let it compute your GT, it factors in a lot more variables than the book


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Wow thanks for even more info, I have been on the Hunter diet. And I have been noticeing a big difference in how I feel. I am already planning on getting my secretor status tested and then onto swami. Be interesting to see what Swami would tell me.
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cowgirl... sounds like you have the bombay phenotype phenomenon.
It's pretty rare, when i used to volunteer at the blood donor clinic at the UofA many years ago, i remember them talking about it... if this is the case, you need to find out for sure as it can affect your ability to get blood transfusions.

here's a couple of links on it:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK2268/

http://www.ualberta.ca/~pletendr/tm-modules/abo/70abo-oh.html

http://anthro.palomar.edu/blood/Bombay_pheno.htm


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Thanks for the helpful links zenphoenix, I quess I will be phoning the U of A. Maybe they will be able to give me some more answers and help me get some testing done. Both my family doctor and NP don't seem to be of any help getting some of the blood work done that I want.
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i hope you are able to get the answers you need.

you would think that if there is a possibility that you cannot accept ANY common blood transfusions, your doctor would want to know about it.


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Well I know that if that is the case, then I sure want to know. I am even more sure that I need to find someone that can give me the answers, no matter how hard it is to find that person.

Just need to find the right person that knows what I am talking about and that will find a way to get the test done.
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