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Greetings all:

I'm an A+, Teacher genotype, determined at Dr. D's offices in Connecticut.  Follow the program rigorously with good results.  For me the primary concern is always digestion - not weight loss.

I have a bed-time snack each evening . . . a small amount of sorbet and two gluten-free ginger snaps, with decaf coffee or tea . .

Having a snack helps me sleep, but I'm considering something that is more beneficial with less sugar . . . e.g. plain yogurt . . .

Any comments on the effects of eating protein e.g. 7 - 8 grams just before sleep?  Is this too much work for the digestive system?

I'll appreciate all insights.

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try a piece of your homemade focaccia with compliant grains and a compliant nut butter

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http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/breads/r/flaxbasicfoc.htm
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http://video.about.com/lowcarbdiets/Focaccia-Style-Flax-Bread.htm


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Hi Maja,

there was a thread recently that addressed  that issue as well.

Most people felt that a carbohydrate meal made them sleepy and a protein meal made them energetic.

My naturopathic doctor recommended the carbohydrate meal in the middle of the day and a protein based meal in the evening because 'proteins are easier to digest'.

I guess, if it is a snack last thing at night I'd try Lolas idea and see how you do.
Personally I'd go easy on the nutbutter, because fats late at night give me nightmares



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Funny, but my mother used to have a little peanut butter and a spoon of ice cream before she went to bed because it helped her sleep!   The ice cream alone would have me howling to the moon almost!


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When I was doing Ayurveda, I was to have a shot of warm cream at bedtime.
The rx really was for warm milk, but I preferred warm cream. Ideally, this should be spiced. A dash of nutmeg, for instance. If I had leftover spiced tea, I'd add a teaspoon of that instead: Licorice spice tea, or chai.
Something comforting about the bedtime ritual, too.


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Greetings all:

Thanks for the observations and suggestions.

Lola offered a gluten-free focaccia recipe that looks delicious.  Right now, I eat rice cakes and that's about it . .

San J suggested spiced, warm milk.  For me it will be almond milk (unsweetened) and a little chai . .

peanut butter and a taste of ice cream; sounds good too.

Variety and more nutrition from my bed-time snacks!

Maja


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Quoted from yvonneb
...there was a thread recently that addressed  that issue as well.

Most people felt that a carbohydrate meal made them sleepy and a protein meal made them energetic.
Apparently - the best bedtime snack is one that has both complex carbohydrates and protein, and perhaps some calcium. Calcium helps the brain use the tryptophan to manufacture melatonin. This explains why dairy products, which contain both tryptophan and calcium, are one of the top sleep-inducing foods.
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I agree, Possum! Thats why I take my phytocal at night. I eat a spoonful of peanut butter or eat a handful of nuts, drink a soothing tea such as green, chamomile or gingeroot , get tired and sleep well all night!


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Apparently - the best bedtime snack is one that has both complex carbohydrates and protein, and perhaps some calcium. Calcium helps the brain use the tryptophan to manufacture melatonin. This explains why dairy products, which contain both tryptophan and calcium, are one of the top sleep-inducing foods.


Possum, this is very good information. Thanks for sharing. What would be your recommendation for Type O's, who cannot have most dairy products?


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Calcium tablets or other foods high in calcium - can you eat sesame seeds by any chance?

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Yes, it's a diamond! So tahini might be a good choice? Coz eating the seeds themselves don't satisfy me at all


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Possum, this is very good information. Thanks for sharing. What would be your recommendation for Type O's, who cannot have most dairy products?

High calcium vegetables and turkey???
http://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/high-calcium-vegetables.php


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Thanks, ABJoe. Great tips on high-calcium veggies. But I'd rather not eat veggies before bedtime, as much as I love my greens  


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I eat a baked sweet potato with a little ghee and topped with crushed germinated almonds.  Makes me so relaxed, it's challenging to get up and go to bed!  



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? just what is tahini, and can I make my own?


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what is germinated almonds?  Thanks
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what is germinated almonds?  Thanks


Quoted from http://www.glennwarren.com/raw/recipes/germinated_almonds.htm
Germinated Almonds

Sprouted or germinated almonds are those which have been soaked in water for a period of time. The soaking disables the naturally present enzyme inhibitors of the nuts so that they can be easily digested by their own enzymes, rather than by pulling the enzymes from your body to digest them.

Soak the almonds for 8-24 hours (no more) in a covered bowl with enough good quality water to allow for expansion of the almonds. If you aren't ready to use the almonds after soaking, place the bowl in the refrigerator. Do not refrigerate the nuts while germinating them.

Germinating to disable enzyme inhibitors applies to most nuts and seeds, though not all. Generally, the softer the nut, the less the need to germinate. Pine nuts, for example, require no germination.

Although the word "sprouting" is used, true sprouts do not appear for most nuts and seeds. Given raw nuts and seeds are used, however, planting of the nuts or seeds would commence plant growth--they're truly living foods.


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I buy germinated almonds from a local company, just to save time because everything I eat seems to take so much time in the kitchen.    They soak organic almonds for 12 hours.  Then they drain and rinse with a sea salt solution.  Then the almonds are dehydrated, which gives them a nice little crunch.  They call them Awakened Almonds and as ABJoe described, there are no visible sprouts.

I put them through my Omega juicer, which crushes them to a powder.

The distributor only sells them wholesale and I purchase directly from the health food stores in my city.  But here is a description of how they are prepared:
http://www.hummingbirdwholesale.com/products/item/533/Almonds-Awakened



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I saw on a program the other day to take two tablespoons of pure almond nut butter before bed. It is supposed to keep your blood sugar stabilized while you sleep and help you sleep better. Anyone care to comment on that?


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I love almond butter and so does my body.  I don't think it would cause any problems for me to eat it late in the evening, but as far as the portion amount, I would go by my 'Dr. D food list'.



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My son has to have a bedtime snack to keep his blood sugar stable.  He's an A so I'll have to push the peanut butter for him...don't know why I hadn't thought of that.  (He doesn't like almond butter, but it would be good for him too.

I like herbal tea with almond milk, myself.  


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I eat a baked sweet potato with a little ghee and topped with crushed germinated almonds.  Makes me so relaxed, it's challenging to get up and go to bed!  
Best eaten in bed then, methinks?! Just like my Mother always used to say - oranges were best eaten in the bath lol
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I eat a baked sweet potato with a little ghee and topped with crushed germinated almonds.  Makes me so relaxed, it's challenging to get up and go to bed!  

I don't know exactly why, but your post was hilarious to me, especially after reading all this stuff about the dreaded fasting!!


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? just what is tahini, and can I make my own?


Sesame butter/paste
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? just what is tahini, and can I make my own?

Recipes abound:
https://www.google.com/search?.....l1l0l139l560l1.4l5l0


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I saw on a program the other day to take two tablespoons of pure almond nut butter before bed. It is supposed to keep your blood sugar stabilized while you sleep and help you sleep better. Anyone care to comment on that?


Since it has a balance of carbs, fats and protein, it makes sense that it will keep the body pretty stable for a while...


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Thank's ABJoe  I'll print me one.  Sesame seeds have jumped around on my list, but is a bene. for both WH and myself per. swami.  So this would be a nice rice cake topping.  I think.


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If you don't want to make your own, you can buy it in places like Whole Foods.
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If you don't want to make your own, you can buy it in places like Whole Foods.


Thanks, sadly WF is 85 miles away. I will look next time I go there.  For some reason I just enjoy making this kind of stuff.  I know what's there and how old it really is etc.  Right now I've got about 3 cups of seeds in the refrigerator, I need to use them up.

Thanks for the reminder about whole foods. I'll put it on the list of things to look for.


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ABJOE & VICTORIA  thank you both, for the answers about germinated almonds.  I will now, start soaking my almonds!  
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Thank's ABJoe  I'll print me one.  Sesame seeds have jumped around on my list, but is a bene. for both WH and myself per. swami.  So this would be a nice rice cake topping.  I think.


Keep in mind that tahini can be bitter. I like to add it to savory dishes like great northern bean "hummus", where the bitterness is not as predominant.


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Maja, Great post as I always want a night time snack, I guess most of us do!
  
I often have Peanut butter on a rice cake at night, with green tea or rooibos tea with a little almond milk.
I will now plan to try some of the ideas everyone has suggested including taking my calcium at night.
Thanks to all.
Lin


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I think that a lightly toasted rice cake, topped with some kind of compliant nut or seed butter is a perfect late evening snack.  Great comfort food!  

(If anyone doesn't want to eat a sweet potato with ghee and fall asleep on the way to bed!)  



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We're all unique individuals. What works for one may not work for another.

Like the suggestion to eat carbs at night rather than protien. Well, if eat carbs at night, I get drowsy and have no trouble falling asleep. But then I have trouble staying asleep, as I get a blood sugar crash in the middle of the night, and then I have a choice between tossing and turning for hours or getting up and having a snack in the middle of the night so I can go back to sleep.

If I have a hard  boiled  egg (or 3) before bed, I can fall asleep just fine, and stay asleep. Too full a stomach may keep me awake, but I've never found any foods "too energizing" to let me sleep.

If I'm hungry at bedtime at all, I need a small, high protein snack so I'll neither be "stuffed" nor have a blood sugar crash a couple of hours later. It's a viscious cycle- I'm hungry so  I wake up, and then when I eat I'm too full to sleep. If I eat nothing after dinner, or only very low-carb snacks, I sleep a lot better.


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... if eat carbs at night, I get drowsy and have no trouble falling asleep. But then I have trouble staying asleep, as I get a blood sugar crash in the middle of the night, and then I have a choice between tossing and turning for hours or getting up and having a snack in the middle of the night so I can go back to sleep...

If I'm hungry at bedtime at all, I need a small, high protein snack so I'll neither be "stuffed" nor have a blood sugar crash a couple of hours later. It's a viscious cycle- I'm hungry so  I wake up, and then when I eat I'm too full to sleep. If I eat nothing after dinner, or only very low-carb snacks, I sleep a lot better.


Have you been clinically diagnosed as hypoglycemic? This seems like a somewhat hyperreactive response to a snack.


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The only thing I've been clinically diagnosed with is fibromyalgia. I was also diagnosed with "gestational diabetes" when I was pregnant with my son. That diagnoses "expired" when he was born, but I definitely have issues with  blood sugar control. I'm sure I'd be diabetic "for real" if I'd been eating the SAD for the past 10 years- fortunately, I never stopped the "low sugar/low GI" diet I was given when pregnant with him, and my glucose has stayed basically stable.

I can easily get out of balance, and I can feel when that happens, so I eat in ways to prevent that. One night of waking up to eat was enough for me to change my bedtime snack!

My lab tests have always been good, and last year's lab work (the first time I requested copies of everything) included A1C, a test given to diabetics to assess blood sugar control over time.


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I don't like the ways my blood sugar feels if carbs are eaten alone.  A little fat and some protein with the carbohydrates works best for me.  Thus - baked sw. potato with ghee and crushed almonds or toasted rice cake with nut butter.



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I like a  small piece of cinn/raisin mochi with some ghee and almond butter.  Maybe some tea along with that..... licorice or ginger are faves.
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I like a small piece of cinn/raisin mochi with some ghee and almond butter.  Maybe some tea along with that..... licorice or ginger are faves.
What is "mochi" please?
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http://www.grainaissance.com/mochi.html

Very yummy!  I like the cinnamon raisin.  
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Cheers - looks yummy...
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I just had some buckwheat cereal that tasted mighty good with banana. Haven't had any buckwheat in a long time.


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When I first began the GTD I made hot buckwheat cereal and loved it. I then found buckwheat flakes, as a cold cereal, and have them about twice a week with blueberries!
Buckwheat digests/agrees very well with me.
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I am going to look for mochi! yum!


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I used to be a big "snack-before-bed" person, but I've been drinking a pot of tulsi (holy basil) tea after dinner, and that satisfies me all on its own. No snack necessary!


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I used to be a big "snack-before-bed" person, but I've been drinking a pot of tulsi (holy basil) tea after dinner, and that satisfies me all on its own. No snack necessary!


Yeah, I'm not relating to the whole bedtime snack idea.
In fact, though there are exceptions, I generally don't eat anything 2-3 (or more) hours before retiring.


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Two hours before bedtime I take calcium/magnesium, vitamin D3, potassium, and a baby aspirin with water. I don't snack. I sleep fine (unless I have to get up to use the bathroom because I waited too late to take my supplements and water). Breakfast is a problem, though, to break the fasting, since I am allergic to grains, dairy, eggs, etc, and am pre-diabetic. I usually have an apple with peanut butter, but that doesn't hold me very long. Then, if I go too long without something substantial, I get dizzy, feel weird, and almost faint.
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I saw on a program the other day to take two tablespoons of pure almond nut butter before bed. It is supposed to keep your blood sugar stabilized while you sleep and help you sleep better. Anyone care to comment on that?


As an Explorer both without a gallbladder and challenged liver I can handle soaked, dehydrated almonds as they are not too 'fatty' for me and I grind them  in a dedicated coffee grinder with some flaxseed oil and then go to bed.I am fortunate that the flax seed oil is easy on my liver for whatever reason and I can take it before bed. Go figure!  Now, if I did this with olive oil it would just repeat on me. Almond butter would be far to heavy for me with the oil that is in it. Again, individuality right?

This is an interesting site about the body/organ cycles according to Traditional Chinese Medicine.

http://www.sacredlotus.com/acupuncture/channel_flow_times.cfm
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Spring,When I first began the GTD I made hot buckwheat cereal and loved it. I then found buckwheat flakes, as a cold cereal, and have them about twice a week with blueberries! Buckwheat digests/agrees very well with me.

Cajun, I am so happy to have buckwheat, and it agrees with me too! The flakes I got from Vitacost are the best I've ever had. I wish I had ordered four instead of one little measly box of it!! It is so good. I am thoroughly enjoying Amaranth and Millet too.  


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I used to be a big "snack-before-bed" person, but I've been drinking a pot of tulsi (holy basil) tea after dinner, and that satisfies me all on its own. No snack necessary!

Does the tea help you sleep, Drea? I might enjoy that every other night


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Now that you mention it, I have been sleeping through the night...interesting!  I love the taste, it helps me not eat after dinner, and it may be helping me sleep, too!


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Now that you mention it, I have been sleeping through the night...interesting!  I love the taste, it helps me not eat after dinner, and it may be helping me sleep, too!

I'm going to order some and see what it does for me... Sometimes I have trouble sleeping, but I don't want to feel drugged. The reviews indicate that it doesn't make people feel that way. Good!


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I believe that holy basil helps the body clear cortisol, among other benefits.



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Wow, I have been reading about holy basil again - I had sort of forgotten about it. This stuff is powerful!! And, as is the case with most herbals, it is good for a host of things. Wish I had known about it when my mother and mother-in-law were living. Neither of them could sleep very well. And the stuff is even good for flu and colds. Aching muscles etc. People even put the tea in a humidifier for babies sick with bad colds. Wow, again!


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Where do you find this holy basil tea? And is it OK for O's?


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I need to try the millet and amaranth cold cereal. Variety is good.


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I buy Tulsi tea at the health food store. I like the loose-leaf. Try the unflavored first (I prefer the unflavored over the flavored), you may like the taste as I do.

It isn't rated in my swami, so I treat it as a neutral.


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Where do you find this holy basil tea? And is it OK for O's?

http://www.organicindia.com/organic-tulsi-teas.php
This is the brand that is available in tea bag form at our natural food stores.  Also in some grocery stores.  It's also sold as a bulk herb, sometimes called Holy Basil, sometimes called Tulsi.

I don't know Dr. D's opinion on Tulsi.  It's especially recommended for type A's and B's for dealing with stress.  I have not seen it mentioned one way or the other for type O's.  I'd consider it the same as Basil, since it is in the family.



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Where do you find this holy basil tea? And is it OK for O's?

Vitacost has a lot of different types. Plus capsules, etc..


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Keep in mind that tahini can be bitter. I like to add it to savory dishes like great northern bean "hummus", where the bitterness is not as predominant.


Drea, are you a super-taster? I am, but there is something about the odd taste of sesame that appeals to me and always has.  


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I'm not a supertaster.

I like the brand of Tulsi tea that Victoria mentioned. It's the one I drink. I have tried other brands, but keep coming back to this one.


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Nuts and seeds and their butters have always been my fave bedtime snack. Funny because I was always told that eating nuts before bed was bad for your digestion Sometimes I add a bit of rice cake in there if I'm feeling I need it.
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So tulsi-holy basil? Two names for the same thing?

The first place I'll look for it is in the local HFS bulk bins. If it's not there, I've got a few more places to check. I rarely need to buy food online.


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Ruth, I've not seen Tulsi (holy basil) in the bulk tea section; I buy it loose leaf in the tea section (it comes in a canister).


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I buy the same brand of Tulsi tea as Victoria and Drea. It is often on sale at the local HFS. I think it is recommended by Dr. D in one of the protocols for type A, it's where I first heard of it.


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I think it is recommended by Dr. D in one of the protocols for type A, it's where I first heard of it.


That's interesting, I'll have to investigate...I've been treating as a neutral all this time, even though it's done wonders for me!


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Thanks Drea for mentioning Tulsi (Holy Basil) tea.  I've added that to my list of beneficials to consume.  

Grey Rabbit, since I'm also an A its good to know that it is recommended by Dr. D.

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Holy Basil extract is part of the type A Antistress Protocol found on page 470 of the encyclopedia. I figure if the extract is good for As then the tea should be fine Makes me feel good anyway and I've noticed a huge reduction in my stress response if I drink some before an exam.


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Grey Rabbit,

Good info.  I'm on my second cup of the day.  Approximately how many cups do you drink per day on average?  

And, do you drink it at bedtime to help sleep?


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I usually have two cups a day and sometimes I have some before bed and sometimes I have camomile tea instead, they are both very good for type As


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I love chamomile tea before bed! It sort of helps me drift off.....
I also enjoy ginger/green , lemon/ginger or gingeroot tea before bed.


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