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SBGGJRP
Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 1:57pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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This question is for any Type O's and Explorers---have you ever used the herbs Ashwaganda, Rhodiola and licorice root?
The reason I ask is that these have been recommended to me for adrenal support. I am leery of herbs due to my track record of being highly sensitive to some "natural" cures/herbs. So, has anyone had any experience with these things?

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Dianne
Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 2:04pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I use rhodiola with no problems. Licorice has to be DGL or it can affect heart/blood pressure.
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Spring
Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 2:15pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Quoted from SBGGJRP
This question is for any Type O's and Explorers---have you ever used the herbs Ashwaganda, Rhodiola and licorice root?
The reason I ask is that these have been recommended to me for adrenal support. I am leery of herbs due to my track record of being highly sensitive to some "natural" cures/herbs. So, has anyone had any experience with these things?

I have used Ashwaganda and Licorice with no problems.


"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." -- Benjamin Franklin
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dtullos
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I take 1 DGL tablet everyday! I haven't tried the other items though.


Chocolate is good, ER4YBT is awesome, but GOD tops them all!


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mpolyglottos
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Either Ashwaganda or Rhodiola triggered a "bad trip" for me. Of course I was taking 50mg of Zoloft at the time. So if you're not taking any psych meds, you won't have to worry about it. They are supposedly "adaptogenic", meaning they either bring you up or down, depending on the need. In my case they induced a panic attack...
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I have used a supplement with Ashwaganda & Rhodiola (& other adrenal support) in it...with no problems...

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NancyEllen
Thursday, January 19, 2012, 2:38pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I took Metagenics Exhilarin for several days and got a migraine.  I stopped taking it and a month later, tried again.  Same results.  Here are the ingredients:

Holy Basil (Ocimum sanctum) Leaf 10:1 Extract (containing urosolic acid)
Ashwagandha (Withania somnifera) Root 15:1 Extract (containing withanolides)
Amla (Emblica officinalis) Fruit 3:1 Extract (containing tannins)Bacopa (Bacopa monniera) Leaf 4:1 Extract (containing bacosides A & B)
Other Ingredients: microcrystalline cellulose, cellulose, croscarmellose sodium, stearic acid (vegetable), silica, coating (water, hypromellose, medium chain triglycerides, and hydroxypropylcellulose)


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mpolyglottos, it is known with the intake of Zoloft no herbs and no aminoacids either ....Zoloft is one of the challenges for nonnies, I saw... coz of the dependancy of those stuffs (mostly nonnies have problems to get off this junk) but while tapering off slowly... so far easier and better
Rhodiola is a beautiful helper, especially for you, da O's to calm down a bit your nervecostumes ....

I use licorice sometime while getting stomach pains....but ok sorry I'm not an O but we might have tendecies to share... all about adrenal junkies ... joke apart... too much of adrenal issues keep us going.....


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SquarePeg
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Rhodiola helped me a lot with anxiety and obsessive tendencies.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I've struggled with depression for years. I've been on and off numerous antidepressant meds. I weaned myself off Prozac and started taking 5-HTP, which I found very helpful. I stopped the 5-HTP when I started BTD, since it wasn't reccomended for Os.

I took rhodiola for a long time, and found it very helpful at first. Then I started getting anxiety, which I never had before- not when I was depressed and untreated, and not when I was on antidepressants. I'm pretty sure the rhodiola was the cause.

At this point, I looked up Dr D's anti-stress protocol again, and realized he DOES reccomend 5-HTP for nonnies, so I started taking it again. I now take the 5-HTP at night and rhodiola in the morning; as I need something to help boost my seratonin levels (the 5-HTP) as well as soemthing to boost the dopamine (rhodiola.) Either one alone doesn't keep me quite as balanced.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Bekki Shining Bearheart
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I take Rhodiola and schisandra every morning (I tincture the herbs myself) and often again in the early afternoon. They really help my energy levels.
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Mark
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What is your favorite dopamine booster?
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paul clucas
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I have used DGL chewables.  They almost seemed like candy.


My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.
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Dianne
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Quoted from paul clucas
I have used DGL chewables.  They almost seemed like candy.


Some of the DGL brands have sweeteners in them, which brand do you use, I'd like to find one that is not sweetened? thanks
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paul clucas
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I have not used them in the past five years, so I could not remember the brand - even to give you a negative recommendation.


My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.
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Couann
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Licorice is good for O's in general. It is diamond for explorers. Dr D does not mention that it has to be DGL, although he does mention it for stomach problems. I (explorer) drink a tea made from the root and have had no difficulty with blood pressure or heart. My husband (hunter)used to take DGL licorice 3 times daily for a stomach ulcer but now only has to take it occasionaly. The difficulty with DGL licorice was getting a pure one, that is one without other stuff added. The only pure one I found for him was 'natures plus'. When our son (hunter) was little we gave him licorice root and he drove us made with excessive energy but it did not raise his blood pressure .
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Couann
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If it were me I would look through the herbs and teas etc and see what is there that could support your adreanals. there are other herbs that give good support for the adrenal so I am sure there are some already in the diet sheets! ?
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DGL is used for stomach ulcers, but for adrenal support it should be the "real" version. The glycyrrhizin is what supports the adrenals by mimicing/stimulating natural cortisol levels. If you have adrenal fatigue then you don't need to worry about that effect of liquorice and in fact that's why you'd choose it.
I've taken ashwaganda, rhodiola and liquorice together successfully, but I find that I am best served when I add in some other Chinese herbs into the mix because over time for me the ashwaganda and rhodiola especially can become a little drying. But they're great for energy, especially with the liquorice in there it can help to somewhat mitigate the drying effects.
Stay away from amla if you have adrenal fatigue, it has a thyroid impairing effect and is best given to those with overactive metabolisms (not a typical o trait). Other herbs that I personally have trouble with are bupleurum and milk thistle - boy do I know about that pretty quickly. I get eczema all around my eyes within a day or so. Majority of herbs I do ok with, but only as prescribed by Chinese medicine, naturopath herbs for me have been hit and miss - there is just a different philosophy and understanding of how the herbs work between the two paradigms.
I hope you start to feel better on your new herb mix
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royal jelly i one of the helpers here for adrenal fatigue too, dito might be the mycotherapy one of the choices as well triphalla terrestris once also was mentioned if I remember it well.....


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Easy E
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I would try the explorer catylyst or activator.  After being stubborn and cheap, I tried many diff supps and nearly all of them bring some negative return to me.  Many were ones not on my recommends because I guess I just had to explore.  This is my next choice...and it was right there the whole time go figure!
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Seraffa
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This is a good old thread to bring up. I would rate my success with ashwaganda as "so so" to "nothing" as a "magic bullet" and yes I would endorse the Explorer supports. Even Holy Basil (which Dr. Oz recommends for a cortisol fat accumulation around the tummy) gradually upset the whole equilibrium and had a negative impact on my thyroid production.

I feel fine and great with Calcium D. Glucarate for cleaning the system plus a capsule of milk thistle along with it. I also take niacin, Biotin, a B complex, Royal Jelly+Propolis, and C that is not derived from corn.


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Easy E
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I think adrenaline and cortisol work on an axis where if adrenaline is high cortisol is low.  Cortisol clears adrenaline.  High cortisol means low adrenaline.  I guess the ideal is having the right ratio of adrenaline to cortisol for good stress control.  
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prunella
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I have taken rhodiola with l-tyrosine for anxiety and focus, finding it to be helpful. No problems.

Licorice and ginger tea is  good for energy. Both are diamonds for me.
Have not tried ashwaganda.




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Easy E
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I deleted my post about rhodiola and explorers   Herbs can give initial unpleasant effects when they are repairing the body and when mixed with meds.  

http://www.naturalnews.com/022628_herb_herbs_drug.html

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