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Andrea AWsec
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Tested my brother for both the x and Y--- anyone know which I select for  the  Mitochondrial DNA Haplogroups? the Y Chromosome DNA Haplogroups is easy to figure out but the Mt-DNA is more difficult

Here is what I received--
R1b M343  ( R1ba2  M269)


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search by letter....

click on the one closest to your type

I do not have my interphase opened right now to look at the available list, but I too had to choose the closest fit

once you input the new data, make sure you unclick your GT and let swami pro recompute your GT for you......I changed to Hunter, from explorer when I input mine, years ago!
good luck and happy mt and Y  discovery!


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You have no mitochondrial data.

You have two different values for Y chromosome haplogroups.
These indicate fairly similar genetic heritage.


R1b M343:  

This means whoever did this analysis did not find SNP marker M269 (and a bunch of other SNPs that would move it to some other category)

R1ba2  M269

This means whoever did this analysis found SNP marker M269.

Most European R1b's have this marker.


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If this is two different tests than if the M269 SNP important to you need to repeat the test.  For many just knowing that you Fall in the R1b tree is enough.

If it is one test. Then the first number simply indicate you are in the R1b tree
and the particular branch within the tree that you Fall on genetically is R1ba2  M269.

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If you think someone is just R1b M343
You should select this in SWAMI:

Y Chromosome DNA Haplogroups:

If you think someone is just R1b and has the SNP M269
you should select this in SWAMI:

Y Chromosome DNA Haplogroups:


If you are still undecided, I doubt it makes much difference if you select R1b or R1b1


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So I do not have enough info for----  Mitochondrial DNA Haplogroups---

Even though I had my brother do the test? Ok--

Thanks C  


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I am sure your brother asked for both m and y, no?

even when you look up results in genographic, the passwords are given for
Mitochondrial DNA  and for the Y chromosome, right?


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Quoted from Andrea AWsec
So I do not have enough info for----  Mitochondrial DNA Haplogroups---

Even though I had my brother do the test? Ok--


If you use National Geographic, you have to buy two separate tests, to determine mitochondrial and Y chromosome haplogroup. Brother could do both tests, but he has to pay twice, send two samples, and check the correct box.

Assuming brother had the same mother (normally the case), both you and your brother should have identical mitochondrial DNA and therefore either you or your brother could be tested.

Some other testing firms will determine a male's Y chromosome and mitochondrial haplogroup with a single sample (they generally cost a little more per sample than National Geographic).  


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I just ordered mine and my brother is ordering one as well.  I thought it would be a nice idea to give this as a family Christmas gift to our siblings.

Thanks for reminding me about this.  Paul Claucus recommended I have it done since I have an unusual fingerprint on my left index finger - not sure why that would matter  


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I bought 2 one for x and one for y- my brother will carry my mother's and father's group no need for me to do one too, we come from the same parents.


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I just ordered mine and my brother is ordering one as well.  I thought it would be a nice idea to give this as a family Christmas gift to our siblings.

Thanks for reminding me about this.  Paul Claucus recommended I have it done since I have an unusual fingerprint on my left index finger - not sure why that would matter  


If your brother has not yet ordered, you may want to consider another vendor that does more complete genetic testing.

In the past, you seemed to have liked lots of test data.

Here is just one such company that gives you haplogroup and a variety of other genetic data (some of which can be entered in SWAMI GenoType, but in SWAMI Xpress only the haplogroups are used).

https://www.23andme.com/

I did not look for it, but 23 & Me normally does a Christmas promotion, so I presume there would be a $50 or so coupon for ordering today if you searched online.

23 & Me would tell your brother's APO E3/4 data, which you have expressed concern over in the past.


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If your brother has not yet ordered, you may want to consider another vendor that does more complete genetic testing.

In the past, you seemed to have liked lots of test data.

Here is just one such company that gives you haplogroup and a variety of other genetic data (some of which can be entered in SWAMI GenoType, but in SWAMI Xpress only the haplogroups are used).

https://www.23andme.com/

I did not look for it, but 23 & Me normally does a Christmas promotion, so I presume there would be a $50 or so coupon for ordering today if you searched online.

23 & Me would tell your brother's APO E3/4 data, which you have expressed concern over in the past.


Thanks, C Sharp!  He has not yet ordered it so I sent him the link.  


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https://www.23andme.com/ancestry/

I assume this is the package he wants to order?


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https://www.23andme.com/ancestry/

I assume this is the package he wants to order?


Does not matter whether you select ancestry or health. Both sets of data are included regardless of what page you order from.

The thing to be aware of with 23 & Me is that $99 advertised price does not include a required $108 subscription or the $15 shipping fee.

So the actual price is $222.00 rather than the $99 they put in the large type. Coupons are sometimes available for discounts. When the price was higher the coupons were generally $100. Currently coupons are $15, $25, or $50 and are only valid for a few days. There was a coupon in April that reduced it to only shipping and the subscription.




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Does not matter whether you select ancestry or health. Both sets of data are included regardless of what page you order from.

The thing to be aware of with 23 & Me is that $99 advertised price does not include a required $108 subscription or the $15 shipping fee.

So the actual price is $222.00 rather than the $99 they put in the large type. Coupons are sometimes available for discounts. When the price was higher the coupons were generally $100. Currently coupons are $15, $25, or $50 and are only valid for a few days. There was a coupon in April that reduced it to only shipping and the subscription.




Thanks, C Sharp!  I sent that info on to my brother.  If I wanted to do this for my husband and kids, could I just have my husband tested for both and then combine mine with his to figure out our kids or would I have to do them separately?


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Your children's Y chromosome haplogroup, will be the same as the dad's.

Your children's mitochondrial haplogroup will be identical to yours.

All your children should have identical haplogroups.

Both your mitochondrial and Y chromosome haplogroups will be the same as your brother.


Which genetic traits or SNPs are inherited will differ for each child. So if you are concerned with whether a particular child inherited a particular gene (say APO e3 or APO e4) you will need to test that child.  


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If you know where you generally came from, what more is the DNA able, at this early date in the science, to tell you? From what I've seen, it could give general regions of provenance for a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of my lineage, while the majority of my progenitors may be from...somewhere else...or not...

We looked into this a few years ago, and it just didn't seem to be worth pursuing. Kind of a distraction.


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1) Entering Haplogroups in SWAMI does sometimes lead to significant dietary shifts.

2) DNA data can tell you a lot about health vulnerabilities & risk factors.

3) I do not know whether Patty needs secretor information for her relatives, but genetic testing is an alternative approach to determining secretor status.

Since the cost of genetic testing are significantly less than they were three years ago, the cost benefits would need to be recalculated for the current situation.  What was not economically attractive then may well be attractive today.


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So the 23andme is more comprehensive that the National Geo testing? Do I have this right?

I have a requisition for Serotyping from my doctor, we don't know if the lab will oblige and even will know what it is according to him. Will this give me the info I need? thanks
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So the 23andme is more comprehensive that the National Geo testing? Do I have this right?

I have a requisition for Serotyping from my doctor, we don't know if the lab will oblige and even will know what it is according to him. Will this give me the info I need? thanks


While the people drawing the blood may not know, the lab will surely know or else they will call a more advanced lab for information or send it out.

When I had my blood drawn for Lewis and MN testing, the person drawing the blood had no idea what she needed and how many tubes.  She called the lab and the lab called the American Red Cross.  My blood was sent to the American Red Cross because we have a rare blood antigen in our family for which I was being tested.  Didn't cost me a dime!


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Is SWAMI GenoType the professional version of SWAMI Xpress? And again, will serotyping blood panel give me what 23andme will give me? I have SWAMI Xpress.
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Wish 23andme wasn't so expensive... $100, sure, $150 even. $220 so I can "log on" ew, just give me a printout.
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Is SWAMI GenoType the professional version of SWAMI Xpress? And again, will serotyping blood panel give me what 23andme will give me? I have SWAMI Xpress.


Yes SWAMI GenoType is the version of SWAMI used by practitioners.


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Wish 23andme wasn't so expensive... $100, sure, $150 even. $220 so I can "log on" ew, just give me a printout.


Generally one day in April if you watch for you can get it for $120 (Subscription plus shipping)

Issuing a printout would be more expensive.

There are other vendors that provide very similar genetic information. I think it runs about $1000 for a test with a printout. But I have not fully investigated these options.

If you want a printout out of the Genetic information with 23 & Me you have to print your own.  With my present ink & paper costs printing a summary report of my 23 & Me would run me $39.30. I have not looked at how much printing a more complete report would cost-since I prefer to search electronically rather than by shuffling through mounds of paper.



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So the 23andme is more comprehensive that the National Geo testing? Do I have this right?

I have a requisition for Serotyping from my doctor, we don't know if the lab will oblige and even will know what it is according to him. Will this give me the info I need? thanks


Blood serotyping and genetic testing are two different things.


If you know what genes control a particular phenotypic expressions, you can predict someone actual values.

For some things people are willing to rely on genetic tests.

But for issues like blood transfusions, it is better to rely on blood serotyping rather than on genetic data.

With National Genographic you get one piece of information.

Either Y chromosome haplogroup or mitochondrial haplogroup -- whichever you paid for.

With 23 & Me you mitochondrial haplogroup if female, and both Y chromosome haplogroup you also mitochondrial haplogroup.  And information on over 900,000 SNPs. Not all of which are interesting, but a few are.

23 & Me maps the 900,000 SNP to a couple hundred traits that people are likely to be interested in (Early onset Alzheimer risk, Lewis status, ...) . But I mostly use the raw data in other programs.  


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If your brother has not yet ordered, you may want to consider another vendor that does more complete genetic testing.

In the past, you seemed to have liked lots of test data.

Here is just one such company that gives you haplogroup and a variety of other genetic data (some of which can be entered in SWAMI GenoType, but in SWAMI Xpress only the haplogroups are used).

https://www.23andme.com/

I did not look for it, but 23 & Me normally does a Christmas promotion, so I presume there would be a $50 or so coupon for ordering today if you searched online.

23 & Me would tell your brother's APO E3/4 data, which you have expressed concern over in the past.


C sharp, my brother was not interested in all the extra information supplied by 23andme, nor did he want to spend the extra money, so I am sending him my National Geographic testing when it arrives and I am going to order the 23andme for myself.  

I would also like to order this for my husband but am wondering if 23andme will automatically test both is mitochondrial DNA and his Y chromosome to get his maternal and paternal lineage or do I need to order two separate tests, as I would with the National Geographic testing.  I'm not sure if you know this information, but I thought I would ask.  Thanks for all your help with this!


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I would also like to order this for my husband but am wondering if 23andme will automatically test both is mitochondrial DNA and his Y chromosome to get his maternal and paternal lineage or do I need to order two separate tests, as I would with the National Geographic testing.  I'm not sure if you know this information, but I thought I would ask.  Thanks for all your help with this!


No need to order two kits. 23 & Me always provides both haplogroups for male clients.


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