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Sahara
Friday, November 11, 2011, 5:18pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Not sure how to approach this since I don't even know what I weigh currently.  I'm just wondering if other Hunters have struggled as much as I have.  I'm pretty sure I've brought this up before.  I managed a low weight (97 lbs) in my early 30s then in my mid 30s somehow brought it up to 102; I exercised a few days a week but nothing special.  Since 2009 I've weighed about 90 lbs  .  I eat and have been lifting weights & now need to move up to heavier weights.  My workouts are plateaued at the moment.  

Dr. D says in the genotype book that the lost tissue likely can never be regained.  Is this true?  Has anyone reversed it?
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cajun
Friday, November 11, 2011, 6:22pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I don't know if this helps, actually, but my youngest son is 24 and was tall and thin his entire life. He decided to bulk up when he first went to college and did rather easily with diet, weights and exercise. He went through a short period of slacking off and lost weight and muscle..as visible in his biceps and quads. It didn't take long to gain it all back once he became disciplined again!
He does run his own small gym and is active teaching MMA, self defense, and wrestling classes for all ages so again, this may not apply to you but..he is a Hunter with O- bloodtype and he eats what I make for dinner (compliant) ....not so much compliant for lunches..Maybe burgers/fries, sub-sandwiches, etc.


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Looking4Answers
Friday, November 11, 2011, 6:30pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Low weight Hunter here, too.  I weighed a whopping 86 lbs. when I was 20 years old.  I tended to keep 5 lbs. with each of my three sons, so I weighed about 102 lbs. by my mid-30s, but I had no muscle tone, so I joined a gym and gained a decent amount of muscle.  No idea what I weighed after I gained the muscle, however, but I sure looked good.  Haha!   I also loved working out with the Cybex machines and pushing myself further and further on the treadmill.  

For some reason I gained about 10 pounds when I was in my late 40s, although I don't have any idea why, but then gradually lost it--again, I don't really know how or why.  These days, at 51, I am about 103, which is good my extra small frame, but I have more fat on me now than muscle.  It seems to me that although my muscle definition is not anything like it was when I was in my 30s, when I flex my bicep I can tell that something is there, and I can also see vague outlines of the "6-pack" I was working on all those years ago.  In other words, I don't think I lost all of the muscle I gained, even though it may have shrunk somewhat.


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DoS
Friday, November 11, 2011, 8:19pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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People gain it back but not just by avoiding wheat. It is not easy is the problem. I know a young lady who won't really eat meat but stopping wheat saved her life. She is way too thin. Others on here have reported gaining muscle and feeling great by eating more than recommended on red meat. They just followed their bodily wants and ended up eating many pounds a week for awhile till they felt better.

I would mix alternate nostril breathing in with exercise and eating your heart out to get back on track.
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Sahara
Friday, November 11, 2011, 9:39pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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People gain it back but not just by avoiding wheat. It is not easy is the problem. I know a young lady who won't really eat meat but stopping wheat saved her life. She is way too thin. Others on here have reported gaining muscle and feeling great by eating more than recommended on red meat. They just followed their bodily wants and ended up eating many pounds a week for awhile till they felt better.

I would mix alternate nostril breathing in with exercise and eating your heart out to get back on track.


I was a big eater in my mid to late 20s, weighed about 110.  I should have monitored the whole weight loss thing beginning 15 years ago but didn't.     My workouts are home based so that presents another limitation.... someone on another board said I could lift a lot more but that would entail joining a gym.  That's just not what I want to do at the moment so I'm going to stick with my at home workouts.  My body fat is reduced I'm pretty sure by 1-3%, at least I'm not as "skinny fat" as a I was.
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DoS
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If you are doing pilates I am sure you are fine. Cardio might help. It always seems to stimulate a lot of health in Hunters (and muscle).
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Sahara
Friday, November 11, 2011, 10:40pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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If you are doing pilates I am sure you are fine. Cardio might help. It always seems to stimulate a lot of health in Hunters (and muscle).


No.   I do a lot of metabolic resistance training- cardio + weights.  I wish I knew how many calories to eat.  

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Beachgirl
Friday, November 11, 2011, 11:18pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Sahara, here's a link to daily caloric needs...plug in your info & see what it comes up with.     http://calorieneedscalculator.com/


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marjorie
Friday, November 11, 2011, 11:38pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I wish I could help you on this one, however, I am all muscle which is not the best either. I have a mesophoric frame, need to accept it.

I wish I was tiny but it is what it is. I weigh 115 at 5'3 and feel like I am tired of trying to lose weight.
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Patty H
Saturday, November 12, 2011, 12:36am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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OK, Sahara, I have been worried about you and wanted to say that I think about you and worry about you.  I think you need to add more food into your daily regimen.  I am not sure how tall you are but 90 pounds is tiny for a woman.  I am a small woman too.  I am 5'2" and weigh 110.  I have fairly large breasts for my size and am thin but muscular.  I haven't weighed 90 pounds since high school.  I'm 54, so that was some time ago

I admire you for your dedication to diet and exercise, but if you feel you are losing muscle mass, I think you might want to re-think your food consumption amounts and your exercise routine to help you figure out how you can regain muscle mass and be the very best you can be!

Please know that I am sharing with the best of intentions and want the very best for you        


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paul clucas
Saturday, November 12, 2011, 8:30pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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There is a need to eat foods that promote lean muscle mass.  The Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia is a good guide for this.  The Blood Group Food Base, starting on page 495, has some foods that are "BENFICIAL: Nutient-dense food, increases lean muscle mass."  As a large Explorer my problem is coverting fat into muscle.  


My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.
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David
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I have a ectomorph frame and almost my whole life weighed the same that I did when I graduated high school. Much of my life my Mom said I needed to gain some fat. I remember my Dad also counseling me in my late 30's to eat at All-You-Can-Eat restaurants... to gain weight. I ate fairly well and didn't really want more weight. I also did not really care to have more muscle. I wanted lean fairly well defined muscle and that's what I have had since my teens. I never enjoyed working out in gym's or with weights, though I did enjoy surfing, skiing, hiking, running, bike riding activities at every opportunity.

A few times I gained 10-15 lbs after extended periods of eating high amounts of carbs combined with extended sedentary lifestyle. Increasing my time in exercising on treadmills and weightlifting did not cause any weight loss in those instances. Increasing protein and decreasing carbs quickly resulted in the loss of that 10-15 lbs of gained weight even If I did not exercise.

Most people I've known who worked-out hard because they wanted a significant gain in muscle mass said they had to intentionally eat a lot more food than their appetite desired and especially a lot more protein's and fats for many weeks.

I remember a mesomorphic muscle building friend say he'd eat a bunch of eggs, protein powder smoothies, a couple lbs of hamburger and a couple cans of beans a day. I'm sure he was eating even more than that.


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Sahara
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I'm going to hop on the scale soon and then relax the rest of the winter.  I'm good about my protein intake, at least I understand that.     Current focus is to go to sleep earlier and upgrade workouts.  

Thank you for your concern Patty, that makes me feel better.  I will not post much more about this as it makes me feel uncomfortable   ; I should not have posted about it again.  Currently there is a lot of emphasis on weight loss but that isn't the problem- I'm not an anorexic, it isn't an eating disorder.  I just have to work a little harder because I know I can put some weight on.  As recent as 2007 I was up to 102.
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DoS
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I wouldn't worry about calories except getting enough. I would just choose to increase meat over increasing carbohydrates, in general. You can eat more to fuel yourself but for example on SWAMI if you set it higher and higher on activity level for a Hunter it gives you more and more meat.
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Patty H
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I'm going to hop on the scale soon and then relax the rest of the winter.  I'm good about my protein intake, at least I understand that.     Current focus is to go to sleep earlier and upgrade workouts.  

Thank you for your concern Patty, that makes me feel better.  I will not post much more about this as it makes me feel uncomfortable   ; I should not have posted about it again.  Currently there is a lot of emphasis on weight loss but that isn't the problem- I'm not an anorexic, it isn't an eating disorder.  I just have to work a little harder because I know I can put some weight on.  As recent as 2007 I was up to 102.


Good for you!  I think focusing on sleep and upgrading your workouts is great.  I agree with Destroyer of Smiles; add more protein to help keep the muscle mass you still have.

I wasn't worried about you being anorexic and I apologize if my concern came off in a way that made you think that.  I am just concerned about you losing muscle mass.  It is important to keep muscle mass.  I know you work very hard at your health, nutrition, and exercise.  I am just hoping you can tweak it in a way that helps you maintain what you already have    Do you have a ultimate goal for what you think is a good weight for you?  I just lost another pound myself, which is really surprising because my weight has been stable for several months.  I don't think I could lose any more than another pound or two without looking too thin.  I think with many Hunters, maintaining an ideal weight can be a challenge.  I know Wholefoodie struggles with that and I am always amazed at how much she says she eats    When I was a child I was super skinny and could out eat grown men!  

It sounds to me like your metabolism is functioning really well.  I like the idea of adding extra protein to your daily intake.


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DoS
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Enjoy it, if anything. What people would give to be able to eat all they wanted of even healthy stuff... just to maintain  being fit.
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