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Looking4Answers
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Hello there!  Newbie here.    I'm an O+ (don't know my secretor status) woman of 51.  When I read the monograph on Hunters I thought, wow, he's writing about me!  But then I got the Genotype book and did all the measurements, etc.  To my surprise it said I am a Gatherer, all because my index fingers are longer than my ring fingers.  Looking at the charts, that is the crucial difference.  It doesn't matter whether one's torso or legs are longer, shorter, whatever, because the results all point to the same end: Gatherer.  This is confusing to me because I definitely do not have "thrifty genes."  If anything I often have a hard time keeping weight on, even though I eat when and what I want.  I am a shade under 5' 4" and currently weigh about 104 lbs.  (This is after having given birth to 3 sons who are all tall and thin.)  I have a very tiny frame, very thin wrists, extra small ribcage, etc., but proportionally my legs are longer than my torso. (THAT is another thing that bothers me, the inclusion of the head when measuring the difference between legs and torso.  People always think I'm taller than I am, and it's because my legs actually are longer than my true torso, which does not include the head.)
I do not look padded anywhere.  I am most definitely an ectomorph, and my waist-to-hip is considered "ideal."  I can and often do go all day without eating (without meaning to do so) and continue to function on pure adrenaline.  I am a high energy person, always on the lookout, always hearing and noticing things others do not, detail oriented and prone to anxiety/panic attacks.  My mother had rheumatoid arthritis.  My oldest son has asthma, and my sister has severe allergies.  These are all classic Hunter diseases.  But, as I said, all because my index fingers are longer than my rings fingers, I am apparently a Gatherer, even though I don't seem to fit the profile at all.  Am I doing something wrong with my calculations?  I really wanted to try the Genotype diet, because the BTD seemed to be working for me, especially cutting out dairy and wheat and upping my intake of grass-fed beef.  ( I LOOOOOVE red meat. I can a eat plain burger patties for breakfast, or a midnight snack.  But Gatherers are supposed to do really well on goat, lamb and mutton, all of which sound frankly disgusting to me.  And Gatherer fruits seem to all be so obscure.)  Dang!  I really thought I was a Hunter.  How could my profile be so off?
PLEASE NOTE!  I am really not trying to be negative, or criticize Dr. D'Adamo's findings.  To the contrary, the science behind it makes a great deal of sense to me.  I find the research and subsequent findings utterly fantastic!  Which is why I really want to get it right.  


"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.  Words offer the means to meaning and, for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth."  V in "V For Vendetta"  

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Hello Looking,
You sound like you are exactly where I was a few years ago; convinced I was a Hunter but one little measurement declared me a Gatherer. This was extremely perplexing since I shared nothing with the Gatherer and was truly all Hunter. Although it seems finger lengths are "tell all" for type O genotypes, in the end, I am and always will be a Hunter.

I will share some of what I discovered. More recently it seems the recommendation for finger measurements is the palm up method. Someone will probably be along soon to provide a link but basically you are measuring with your palm up from the (base) crease of your finger to the tip. This may change things. My fingers only differ by 1mm and this is hard to detect.

Also, are you familiar with Swami? This is personalized software that provides you with an individual plan based on input of your health history, measurements, etc. Basically, its a diet and lifestyle that is uniquely yours.

Just to test the waters, I entered my finger lengths in my Swami first with longer ring fingers and next with longer index fingers and in both cases I was a Hunter (when all my other info was considered) and the food list regardless of finger length stayed the same.

I was perplexed over this for months before Swami. I knew I was a Hunter and would measure my fingers over and over to help me clarify this. Finally I gave in to my instincts because it was so close and followed the Hunter diet. Swami later clarified my genotype.

Lisa


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It's not all about finger length.  Are you familiar with the SWAMI software?  Many of us who use it find that we have a different genotype than what was calculated by the book.  I'm in the same boat as you: very slender with asymmetrical finger lengths, and definitely not padded or thrifty.  The Advanced Calculator in the book pegged me as a Gatherer, but on SWAMI, I am a Nomad.  If I change my taster status from "slight taster" to "super taster", I am an Explorer -- meaning that I am a Nomad, with Explorer traits coming in second place, and Gatherer at last place.

I'd suggest you just follow the Hunter diet and see how that works out.
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Thank you so much for your reply, Wholefoodie!  (Great name, btw. WF is my favorite place to shop for grass-fed beef, etc.)  I will see what Swami entails.  Thanks again.


"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.  Words offer the means to meaning and, for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth."  V in "V For Vendetta"  
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Thanks, TJ, for your reply.  I do plan to check out Swami and, for the time being anyway, will continue to follow the Hunter diet.  Has the Nomad diet worked out for you?  I hate to admit this, but I got myself so worked up last night over my Gatherer vs Hunter status that I could not fall asleep for hours after going to bed!  My thoughts and anxieties spiraled from there and I began to question everything in my life.  Good grief!  All because I thought for certain I was one type, but measured for a different one!  


"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.  Words offer the means to meaning and, for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth."  V in "V For Vendetta"  
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Welcome Looking!

I'm sming to myself here as you seem such a Hunter like me in what you've said. As WF says a miniscule difference in finger length can make a real difference! Here's the link for how to measure our fingers properly.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1335155/What-length-index-finger-says-you.html

Doing the measurements this way makes a big difference! I had slightly longer ring fingers measuring the old way, but they were significantly longer doing it this way.

Welcome to the campfire Hunter!

Andy


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I hate to admit this, but I got myself so worked up last night over my Gatherer vs Hunter status that I could not fall asleep for hours after going to bed!  My thoughts and anxieties spiraled from there and I began to question everything in my life.  Good grief!  All because I thought for certain I was one type, but measured for a different one!  


Sounds like a Hunter!  

I was in the same boat....my measurements made me an Explorer by the book, although the same measurements in a man would be a Hunter.  Also, the online quiz on this site recommended the BTD for me, which was a tough one for me since the nonnie diet is a bit restrictive.   Swami gave me a wonderful combination of BTD and the Hunter plan.  Much more doable!
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You guys have made me feel much better.  Thank you so much for your replies.  

And I love the idea of joining a campfire.  I can see all of us Hunters gathered (haha, no pun intended!) around the crackling fire, our keen ears pricked, each of us ready to jump up and run at the slightest provocation.  Seriously, that's how I feel as I have gone through life, looking at everyone  around me and wondering why they don't have the same sense of urgency about life and things in general.  There is so much to know and learn!  So much to see and hear!  So much to do!


"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.  Words offer the means to meaning and, for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth."  V in "V For Vendetta"  
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three measurements:

1) torso/leg ratio

2) upper leg/lower leg ratio

3) index finger/ring finger ratio (measure both hands)
to show you the measuring instructions, you can watch  YouTube videos
that show you how


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I'd suggest you go with the Hunter diet, even if the measurements don't "add up". There are exceptions to every rule, and Dr D's work is all about individuality. You could be a quirky Hunter who doesn't have the classic finger-length sign. Or you could have mis-measured your fingers.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Hi Lola,
  
    I do realize that you must use three measurements when calculating Genotype, but, using the Advanced Calculator in the Appendix of the book, where you "plug in" your blood type and Rh factor, it doesn't matter whether one's torso is longer, shorter, legs are shorter, longer, etc.  It all comes down to the same thing, index finger vs ring finger, regardless of the other measurements, for an O + female in my case.  That's what I meant when I asked whether it was all about finger lengths, because that, more than anything else, seems to be the deciding factor.


"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.  Words offer the means to meaning and, for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth."  V in "V For Vendetta"  
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Hi Ruthie,

     I think I have over-measured my fingers, if anything!    I was trying so hard to fit my fingers into the Hunter profile.     

    Seems such a silly thing, doesn't it?  Certainly nothing over which to get oneself so worked up!  But I did anyway.  


"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.  Words offer the means to meaning and, for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth."  V in "V For Vendetta"  
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I must have measured my fingers 25 times!  Finally I tried the palm method and just stopped there!  



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I just realized something that might be affecting the measurements of my fingers.  Looking at my hands palm up and fingers splayed both of my ring fingers are slightly bowed, rather than completely straight like the rest of my fingers.  Anybody else have this...quirk?  My right ring finger is especially bowed, because I hold my writing instruments in a deathlike grip, and I do a lot of putting pen to paper.  And I recall that I nearly broke my left ring finger on my 30th birthday...running to answer the phone and slipped on the floor--duh.  Perhaps this is why my measurements seem off as compared to the type that seems to fit me best?

Okay, maybe now I am starting to sound desperate.  


"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.  Words offer the means to meaning and, for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth."  V in "V For Vendetta"  
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Maybe try measuring with a tape measure that can follow the curve of your ring fingers?

Or just  give up on the measuring and give the Hunter diet a try. That's the real test anyway; how your body adjusts to the dietary and lifestyle changes.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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I have a tendency to analyze, then overanalyze, and analyze some more...and then I go blithely on to the next thing.  But, yeah, I think I will just go with the Hunter diet and stop beating this dead horse!  Thanks for all of your input and patience.  


"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.  Words offer the means to meaning and, for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth."  V in "V For Vendetta"  
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I have a tendency to analyze, then overanalyze, and analyze some more...and then I go blithely on to the next thing.  But, yeah, I think I will just go with the Hunter diet and stop beating this dead horse!  Thanks for all of your input and patience.  


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It looks like WF and I posted at just about the same time, judging from content...

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Thanks, TJ, for your reply.  I do plan to check out Swami and, for the time being anyway, will continue to follow the Hunter diet.  Has the Nomad diet worked out for you?
The Nomad diet is definitely a good approach for me.  I was on the Explorer diet until about March, and it worked well because I had been in a toxic environment.  (I have chemical and mold sensitivities like Explorers do, BTW.)  I moved to a new, cleaner location in February, and an issue came up that made me question if I was really "reactive", and the answer was NO!  Chronic infections are the important issue now (Lyme disease AFAIK), so trying to calm down an overactive immune system is the opposite of what I want.
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I seriously could not tell which was longer, index or ring fingers without the typing kit.  If I eyeball them, sometimes the index fingers look longer!  With the measuring device in the kit it finally became clear.  Are you using the kit or a ruler?
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I have a tendency to analyze, then overanalyze, and analyze some more...and then I go blithely on to the next thing.  But, yeah, I think I will just go with the Hunter diet and stop beating this dead horse!  Thanks for all of your input and patience.  


Sounds very Hunter-like.  You could also look through the Gatherer food choices and ask yourself whether the foods sound like a good fit; for example, can you tolerate cottage cheese?
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A transparent ruler works well for accurate finger measurement.



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Yes, Looking, you sound more like a Hunter with every post. Welcome to hunterhood!

Just so you know you are not alone in the obsessing over the fingers, I took my measurements to the extreme. I ended up on my deck where the sun is very bright, with a transparent ruler holding my hand up to the sky about a zillion times, but this was long after I had become obsessed with measurements. I am sure the neighbors got a laugh but I was so consumed with it, I didn't care! I also put a little pen mark at the crease to help me define the exact location. Hunters eventually exhaust themselves and move on, but it took a while!


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When I went to visit Dr. Nash, Dr. D's associate in CT, she thought for sure I would be an Explorer because of the fact that I have an extremely rare blood antigen and because I have an unusual fingerprint.  I typed out as a Hunter.  I was thrilled because like you, I did not resinate with the Explorer food choices and I figured I might just go back to the BTD, given the choice.

My advice would be to buy the SWAMI program, re-measure your fingers and let SWAMI calculate your genotype.

Until you get SWAMI, follow the Hunter diet and see how you feel.  You seem like a Hunter to me!


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Haven't been on the site for a few days...went on to the next big thing in typical Hunter fashion.

As far as looking at the Gatherer food choices, as Sahara suggested, I did look, and they didn't appeal to me very much, especially the poulty, fruit and vegetable choices.   I honestly don't think I have even heard of half of those fruits!   Not to mention that the "diamond" meats and poultry for Gatherer sound awful, especially as compared to my beloved grass-fed beef and bison and duck, which are diamond foods for Hunter.  

As far as cottage cheese I can take it or leave it, but I find myself truly addicted to yogurt.  I could literally eat an entire 32 oz container in one go!  I know from my own research that cheese contains an actual addictive enzyme, which is why those who desire to eschew dairy for whatever reason find it very difficult to give up cheese.  No mention was made of yogurt as being similarly addictive, but perhaps it is as well.  

I find that it's better for me just not to have things like yogurt, cheddar and ice cream in the house, because I just cannot practice moderation with these foods.  I have even been known to eat Eagle Brand Sweetened Condensed Milk right out of the can with a spoon.  I can eat half a can in one sitting, making myself sick in the process yet not being able to stop.  Any other Hunters having trouble letting go of dairy?


"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.  Words offer the means to meaning and, for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth."  V in "V For Vendetta"  
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Any other Hunters having trouble letting go of dairy?


Oh, yeah!  Cheese-o-holic here.  I do fortunately have a few hard cheeses as diamonds, but the portions/frequencies are quite low.  Sometimes hard to stay within those guidelines!  Overall, my dairy consumption is way down fro what it used to be.
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