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Magess
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There's something about this diet vs. others I've tried that I just find so difficult to stick to. I know my weigh's been creeping up and just now found it over 270, more than I've weighed in 10 years.

I don't know what it is that makes me feel like the rules are just mere guidelines, like hey, it won't matter if I have that chocolate, so long as I have some lamb tomorrow!

I need to figure out something I can fix for a week to start getting all the bad foods out. Too many sugars and carbs all over the place.
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There's something about this diet vs. others I've tried that I just find so difficult to stick to. I know my weigh's been creeping up and just now found it over 270, more than I've weighed in 10 years.

I don't know what it is that makes me feel like the rules are just mere guidelines, like hey, it won't matter if I have that chocolate, so long as I have some lamb tomorrow!

I need to figure out something I can fix for a week to start getting all the bad foods out. Too many sugars and carbs all over the place.


Magess - are you following the food lists or eating lots of avoids?

Melissa


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Magess,
swami gives portions.....that makes it more like a diet rather than some loose guidelines......
We're here rootin for ya!
Have you cut back severely on grains? (and no sugar)
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I just typed a lengthy explanation on why and how .. and lost it, so here is the sort of it..

let us know what you ate yesterday.. all of it and then we can tell you what happened..

in the end it's in the interpretations of it all that makes us nuts.. keep the faith, you will get there to figure this thing out.. so do tell what did you eat.. alllllll of it... for one day..


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There are many threads here that deal with hunger.  you might wish to read them and see how others feel, struggle and eventually find the keys to make it better.  I am O gatherer, and that according to the books makes me being in a constant state of hypoglycemia, meaning I am jittery easy and have few defenses against wanting foods to make me feel good or at least better.

Knowing that lifted a great burden of my shoulders.  I am in a way responsible for what I do and eat, but the motivation is not my GUILT.  That was a great realization and makes a big difference to my inner expectations and my outward life experiences.

I have just recently lost some weight with another diet regimen that had me eat just one avoid- and that after I have not eaten that fruit in 16 years....  I developed water gain, and finally my body gave up and stopped processing that item and refused to let me lose one more inch.

After I stopped at the grocer and bought a fresh pineapple and ate liberally one night my weight finally stopped dropping again...

It is all in the avoids.  This BTD way of life does not allow for cheating often.. It requires for us to severely vigilant - get rid of all non compliant foods in the house - (if other people live with you then you need to banish your foods from being mixed with theirs.  I do that by having my food in a separate shelve or drawer.  I put my special treats highest up in a tin box in my cupboards. I need them to be out of sight but available for when I need them.

The pineapple which is such a good treat for us, can be in a bowl as finger food for when I need it.  My meat is to be defrosted at all times a few ounces are needed.  Vegetables some need to be available in such a way that I can grab a handful and eat them quickly.  I can not wait hours on end and decide to cook a stew when I am hungry.  I am not in a position where I can wait for whatever.  Cravings are so over powering that I have little control, BUT I DO HAVE control over what I eat.  BY EATING only Super / Diamond or Beneficial foods I at least don't do my self harm.

I have tried every which way to circumvent the rules in the books, and the only place where I succeeded in making strides is in WHAT I eat, and in that I am making progress. Progress in being healthy - healthier then I was - and more active - then I might otherwise be.  So I take my progresses where I can and I have much patience with me.  Luckily my fellow posters here have patience with me to and help me to stay on the straight and narrow, without feeling as if I was a 'bad' person.  

Little by little you will find your way around your foods and find that you have many choices in foods that will not make you gain weight.  Meat and green leafy vegetables in my book you can have *loads of at any given time.  Loads* at first means more then the book said, but less then the candy bar, or latte, or store bought prepared processed foods you might otherwise eat.

Making changes and learning from your small steps of progress is the only thing you can do.  IT is the avoids that will make you gain:  Avoids are all store prepared foods, all Processed packaged foods, and all foods bought that are not on your shopping list.  The list is most important, as that is the only way you can buy only compliant foods.

I just today could not resist buying BIG blackberries.. they looked so inviting. I almost remembered that they where on AVOID but I was not certain.. instead I should have bought the little and expensive package of  raspberries.  so now I will give the blackberries away - had I had the shopping list with me I would have never bought the wrong food.  Berries look so innocent, so healthy and all the good memories of youth are connected to them, yet according to the books I can not have blackberries, so be it.. so you see even after 16 years on BTD I can make mistakes.  

So look at what you ate yesterday  and you will get all the help you are looking for to figure this thing out.

ah just found this older post.. haha it was hidden..  

      
    


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The thing that can keep you on track is Dr. D's frequency and portion statement at the beginning of each food section in the Genotype book.  You can mix and match and jump around all over the place as long as you honor those limitations.  If you try and ignore that aspect of the program, you are out in a boat with no paddle.



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Magess, I can understand why someone might not follow the serving sizes and frequencies, as it is way of eating for life.

That being said, if you need to lose weight, the best way to do that is to follow the frequencies and serving sizes and treat it like a weight loss diet.  My advice is exactly what you wrote in your original post.  Get rid of all the junk in your house.  No more sugar or carbs except for those that are on your beneficial list.  Limit those foods that you know cause you to gain weight.  For instance, when I first went on the diet, I wanted to lose 10 pounds, so I hardly ever ate the grain serving.  Now that my weight is good and it is stabilized, I am trying to add a grain serving in each day.

Losing weight is difficult, but you can lose on this diet/way of life.  You know what you have to do.  Glad you posted this.  That is the first step in recognizing what you need to do!  Good luck!


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It is hard to get rid of the carbs and sugars...I know.  It is an addiction.    If you can somehow manage to go cold turkey on all that, not reducing by degrees, but just stopping, and in their place make sure you eat LOADS of your superfood veggies, the cravings for carbs/sugar will diminish.  You will lose the weight, but you do have to be vigilant.  Here's a tip that works well for me when I'm craving sweets in the evening:  have a cup of tea.  I like ginger or peppermint, but whatever kind of compliant tea turns you on is fine.  Also, brushing and flossing my teeth after a meal keeps me from wanting to eat more.  This is just meant to be helpful.  I do hear you.  (((Hug))).  You can get back on track in the direction you want to go.  There is lots of support here for you.
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It can be  very hard to get off the grains and sugars- they riase blood sugar, so you secrete insulin (which removes sugar from the  blood and stores it as fat) then the insulin lowers  blood sugar too much, so you want more carbs to bring it back up, so you secrete more insulin...it's a vicious cycle.

You may want to try fasting for a day (drinking plenty of low-carb fluids such as water, unsweetened tea, veggie juices, and broth) to reset your hunger levels. Then when you do eat again (at dinnertime after fasting all day) keep it a low carb meal, but don't skimp on protein, fat, or veggies. Fasting is uncomfortable, but it can be a way to reset your metabolism and stop those cravings. The most important factor is to eat right when you resume solid foods- eating too many carbs will start the cycle all over again.

Another method is to do a "carb fast" all day; eating plenty of protein, fat, and fiber (in the form of vegetables) but keep the carbs super-low. Completely avoid grains and sugars for a day (or three), eating plenty of "good foods" to keep you satisfied. You can lower the portion sizes of fats and proteins (if needed) once you've gotten the carb cravings under control. One or two small servings of grain with dinner is good for long-term maintenance, but you may want a few days of complete grain-free eating to cut those cravings.

Another method would be to slowly cut back on carbs rather than doing it all at once. This method works for some people, but obviously takes longer. For some, this is an easy, gentle way to do it, but others find that they have the same cravings when they cut back on carbs, whether they cut a little or a lot at a time. These people  find it easeir to drop carbs more dramatically and get through the cravings-period sooner.


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Can't add anything that hasn't already been said.  It's a lifelong struggle.  How about exercise?  Are you getting enough?  I know that's where I slack off at times yet when I actually do exercise I feel so much better.
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I'm with Jane....you have decide what you want and then do it!  You CAN do it.  Start with exercise, because without that, nothing else will really work well. I started, last Feb. 1, at 248, which was horrifying for me.  What I did was, I decided to give myself until my 50th birthday (8-3-2012) to get to my goal weight of 170-175.  By giving myself a long-term time frame, I allowed myself to lose as quickly or as slowly as my body needed.

The first week, I started to get the grains out of my diet (my worst food) and to exercise. The exercising was really hard.  I am a former athlete, but felt like I was trying to move my body through mud.  I got very sore and it was really hard. What I told myself was, "This day was really hard, BUT, the next time I work out it will be just a tiny bit better".  And it was.

As I started to be able to move better, I started to clean up my eating even more, which made me have more energy.  To get off of the starches, I allowed myself as much as I wanted of 1) fruit - I even started by putting agave syrup on fresh or fresh-froze fruit so that it would satisfy my craving for sweets. and 2) nuts - this gave me fat, which I really need, plus some crunchy stuff.  I, literally, ate those whenever I felt hungry or a craving.  I slowly weaned myself off of that much   fruit and off of the agave completely.

Just start by starting.  That's the most important thing.  If you only take off 10 pounds, then you will be that much better than if you did nothing and ended up GAINING 10 pounds.

You can do it!  


FRESH START TODAY!!!
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Here's a tip that works well for me when I'm craving sweets in the evening:  have a cup of tea.  I like ginger or peppermint, but whatever kind of compliant tea turns you on is fine.  Also, brushing and flossing my teeth after a meal keeps me from wanting to eat more.  This is just meant to be helpful.  I do hear you.  (((Hug))).  You can get back on track in the direction you want to go.  There is lots of support here for you.


I do keep thinking that if I have more tea around/already made, it will help with the reaching for whatever is available.

I'm not sure my SWAMI has enough food in it to be covering 21 Superfood meals with protein (3 red meat + 2 poultry + 5 fish + 3 cheese + 5 (.25c) nuts = 18...less b/c a quarter cup of nuts isn't a meal). I don't have time to cook breakfast, but I have chocolate cherry unibars, so I thought I could have those.

Does cutting out the sugar include the fruits? I mean, yes, I know they're sugars, but pineapple and pom/cherry juice for breakfast seems doable.

I guess I'm going to need some entirely vegetarian options.



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If you've  been over-eating for a while, you may need to slowly ease back into appropriate portions. This process may take you a few weeks, as your body adjusts to less food. IMO, you're better off eating "too much" meat and fat than eating "just the right amount" of healthy food and then binging on sweets an hour later because you're still hungry. Make sure you're eating enough beneficial and neutral protein so you feel satisfied and are able to stop eating the junk food. Then you can wean down your portions later if necessary. I suspect you'll still lose weight even with eating " a little more than SWAMI suggests" because you have so much to lose. Closer to goal weight, portions will be much more important.

Go ahead and eat the full servings of fruits and grains allotted to you. It's OK if you come short some days, but don't feel guilty about eating all of it. Make sure you're also eating all your veggies and drinking enough fluids. That will help you fill up on less "heavy food."

Right now, the goal is to make basic changes in your eating habits and approach SWAMI recomended portions. Don't try to follow the guidelines perfectly this week- that's expecting too much. Just aim to eat closer to those portions. Each week you can try to get a little closer.


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I wouldn't start the day with a Unibar.  The sweetness of it might make you crave more sweets.  It just takes minutes to scramble a couple of eggs in ghee or eat leftover meat and veggies from the night before.
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I wouldn't start the day with a Unibar.  The sweetness of it might make you crave more sweets.  It just takes minutes to scramble a couple of eggs in ghee or eat leftover meat and veggies from the night before.


I don't have any eggs as superfoods. And even fewer portions of meat to go around. It's the eating lots of neutrals and more portions than are listed that seems to have gotten me here. I don't know which is the better route to take.
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IMO, you should focus on getting enough fat and protein so you can break the "cravings cycle" and stop eating the sweets. If  necessary,  go ahead and eat neutrals, and "larger than reccomended" portions of protein to do that. After a few weeks, when you've been able to stop the cravings and the extra sweets, you can work on lowering protien portions.

It's been my experience (both personal and from reading message board posts on this and other forums) that most people need extra calories for a few days or weeks when they first cut drastically back on carbs, but then appetite normalizes itself once blood sugar and insulin is under control. Cut the carbs first (maintaining SWAMI reccomended portions of fruits and grains) and then worry about the rest.


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Magess, I agree that you should just up your frequency of animal protein & fats with lots of veggies right now while you are getting back on track.  I would also lose the unibars, but that's just me.  Anything like a cookie or candy bar is just going to set off more cravings for me.  You may not have that problem, though.  It's probably more important that you eat the right foods protein/fats/veggies, while also getting lots of good liquids in, than to keep yourself hungry and in danger of eating the things you're trying to give up.  I eat eggs quite often, even though whole eggs are only neutrals for me.  They are quick and easy and I can add loads of veggies to a two egg omelet.  That will keep my hunger at bay a long time.
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The sugars and carbs just have to be eliminated, there is no other way.  Even exercising intensely isn't really the answer... it helps but your body can't handle constant raised insulin.  My suggestion is to make a grocery list based on your favorite Explorer foods and stay stocked up at all times.  Then vary your meal frequency......  eat as much of the good low carb foods that you know will help curb your hunger, but also allow yourself the freedom to occasionally skip a meal here and there so you aren't just living for food all day every day.  Intermittent fasting helps reduce insulin and also burns fat.  If that doesn't work for you then snack on turkey, pecans, mozarella, ricotta.  Explorers can have whey so go buy a good quality tub of whatever flavor you like best and have that as a drink a few times a day.  
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I'll tell you what nipped my sugar/carb cravings and my 24/7 hunger pains......Dropping Wheat!! Within 24 hours of eating wheat free, I craved nothing!!! AT ALL...and I have been a huge sugar junkie my whole life and I have never not been hungry, until now. It was as simple as dropping wheat for me.
Good luck to you.
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Wow! Not everybody sees such dramatic results- I know some Os who get the same kind of cravings from white rice.


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You could plan some genotype meals/combos that you can rely on.  After you pick your favorite foods make up some combinations and then stick with those for a few weeks till you get back on track.

breafast:
whey protein shake or apple with ricotta cheese

snack:
pecans

lunch:
brown rice with broccoli carrots & onions cooked in olive oil

snack:
mozarella cheese

dinner:
lamb or beef with  veggie romaine salad sprinkled with goat cheese, olive oil & basil, green beans

dessert:  ricotta sprinkled with currants
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IMO, that sample menu needs some protein with lunch. If I ate grains at lunchtime, with no protein, I'd be hungry again in an hour and craving sweets all day. I can only tolerate grains if I have a small portion WITH protein, and I'm better off having it at dinner than at lunch.


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I wouldn't have the rice or any grains alone either, although I'm better on rice than other grains, but I would not eat rice on its own.  I often eat a banana, though, as a snack when I'm hungry.  I think for most Os, it's better to de-program your starch desiring mechanism, however that works for you.
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I can't even eat a banana by itself. I need to have some nuts with it.


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