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dalkantrell
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Are there any other male gatherers out there? What are your experiences being a gatherer good and bad and how is the genotype diet helping you? Ladies you can of course add your own feedback. It just seems like I don't see any male gatherers and I wonder what their experience with their health is like.
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They should give the Gatherer a more proactive and man-like name.


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Heck No:  no name change..  

BUT asking for MEN to pipe in here in a thread of their own is indeed a good idea..

We need more male oriented threads for all types- all around.. it would change the conversation completely..

Like a Gatherer MAN might be a farmer, able and willing to carry heavy loads.  Care for his family and the wider world around him.  I see him move that piano up a mountain just because his wife likes to play..

Gatherer men are dynamite! They move the earth!

OH yes I see a big difference.. GLAD you started this MANLY thread!  It will make a world of difference! hope many will come and stay for a while.


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I would call the Gatherers the "craftsmen." Actually, I would like to call them "the Mighty Plowmen." Gatherer sounds so perfunctory.

Imagine this as the intro to the Mighty Plowman genotype.

"Our mighty plowmen, be restored to that most natural and man-like eating once again..."


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a whole new book !!!!  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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O in Virginia
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Yes, I can see them as strong ploughmen, and craftsmen too.
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my husband is one, and he is a craftsman too, a potter and a winemaker (seems to fit, eh?)
He said he knows he is a gatherer because his sight is better at focussing on very small, close things, like gathering herbs and mushrooms, for example, or picking grapes, but plowman is more of an agricultural genotype, we gatherers are the original hunter/gatherers....a gatherer might trap a squirrel or a bird.....
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There are a couple of factors at play here. First of all, I think that there are more female Gatherers than male Gatherers, just as a general tendency of the Genotype. Similarly, I think there are more male Hunters than female Hunters. At least, from looking through the charts in the back of the Genotype book, it appears that way. I'm not sure how the numbers work out in real life.

The second factor is typical male/female personalities and internet usage.

In general, women tend to be more "chatty" online than men are. Of course there are individual exceptions, but I've found that in most online forums (either message boards or Facebook groups) the women are just more active than the men. Even among my Facebook friends, the men may post once or twice a day but there are women who post 20 times a day ("oh no, the book I want is upstairs" half an hour later "I got exercise by getting the book from upstairs." and other random chat as her day goes by.)

So, you've got more women on this forum, at least among the active posters. I have no clue if there are many men who "lurk"- read the posts frequently but not post often or at all.  I'm pretty sure there are more male Hunters than female Hunters (talking about the Genotype here, not the people who go out and get fresh venison) yet we have several female Hunters who post regularly, and I'm not sure if we even HAVE any male Hunters who post often.

There's nothing "un-manly" about being a Gatherer. According to the GTD, Elvis Presley was one!


Ruth, Single Mother to 20 yo  O- Leah , 18 yo O- Hannah, and  13 yo B+ Jack


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I have noticed that the women seem to be the most vocal on these forums. I wasn't really surprised as men in general don't seem to be vocal about health concerns. I just wish men would be more active here. I value everyone's experiences but sometimes I would like to hear a man's perspective on the genotype diet. Men I talk to aren't really interested in eating this way the women are though!
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Quoted from dalkantrell
I have noticed that the women seem to be the most vocal on these forums. I wasn't really surprised as men in general don't seem to be vocal about health concerns. I just wish men would be more active here. I value everyone's experiences but sometimes I would like to hear a man's perspective on the genotype diet. Men I talk to aren't really interested in eating this way the women are though!

I agree...  
Part of it is that men don't cook as much as women, so are more hesitant about changing the diet, because it isn't something they usually think that much about.

Part of it is that men tend to be "macho", in the sense that they "can't" admit that they have a health problem as that's admitting (maybe more to themselves) that they are vulnerable to real problems...

Part of it is that men only have a limited amount of words we can say per day and if we get caught in a long meeting or water cooler convention at work, it leaves us without any for sharing on a forum...   

I don't have any words of wisdom from a Gatherer's perspective or I would share them...


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Quoted from jayneeo
my husband is one, and he is a craftsman too, a potter and a winemaker (seems to fit, eh?)
He said he knows he is a gatherer because his sight is better at focussing on very small, close things, like gathering herbs and mushrooms, for example, or picking grapes, but plowman is more of an agricultural genotype, we gatherers are the original hunter/gatherers....a gatherer might trap a squirrel or a bird.....


my husband has tested out by the book as a gatherer and all the above is "him" as well.
Machinist, craftsman, winemaker, gardener, reloading, details, and fixed minded


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He also would rather I did the cooking, and just put it in front of him or pack it for his lunch. Unlike our A/b friend who reads the books and wants to understand why he's to eat what. This may be an age thing as well, as we are in our mid 50s and friend in single and in his early forties.


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Cute thread, but...

I dunno. I know lotsa guys on this Forum. I feel they participate avidly and frequently, and I much appreciate their input.

As a former professional cook, I can tell you that most people who are really, really into food and cooking professionally at the top of their game are, indeed, men. And, having been in Fine French Perfumery as well, the same holds true there. Anyone who knows wine can't miss this fact, either. The male palate is often very refined, and some of the best "foodie" conversations I've had in life have been with men, so...

And then: The Science aspect of D'Adamo's work appeals to certain men. The teaching is multi-faceted enough to attract all kinds...

However, I did get a couple of laughs from the Real Men Don't Chat Alot stuff, above. That's true until you tap into their favorite subjects and then --- have a seat, girls; this could take a while...


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BUT..... : I do agree:  A MALE ONLY thread would be interesting to follow, allowing a look at how men think, communicate and express amongst themselves .  I think men of all types deserve it.  

Ladies could be standing by and just peruse (read but be silent)  , A MALE experiment worth honoring..    

and... yes Gatherers might see themselves as victims? more often victims to hunger?  is that so?  or:

Do other types have similar or different issues?  

From today on, I will be silent in this thread..     honoring my own suggestion to honor the men who come here and share their ideas, views, and experiences.     


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Quoted from Goldie
BUT..... : I do agree:  A MALE ONLY thread would be interesting to follow, allowing a look at how men think, communicate and express amongst themselves .  I think men of all types deserve it.  

Ladies could be standing by and just peruse (read but be silent)  , A MALE experiment worth honoring..    

and... yes Gatherers might see themselves as victims? more often victims to hunger?  is that so?  or:

Do other types have similar or different issues?  

From today on, I will be silent in this thread..     honoring my own suggestion to honor the men who come here and share their ideas, views, and experiences.     


I don't get that that's what the OP was proposing, Goldie. We women are in fact welcomed, there, to participate!



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Yes!  I do welcome women and value their input!  I only wish there were more men active in the forum preferably male gatherers because I'd like to know about their health issues and struggles. But women share more easily and I don't want to shut them out especially since you are all such great contributors.
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Part of it is that men only have a limited amount of words we can say per day and if we get caught in a long meeting or water cooler convention at work, it leaves us without any for sharing on a forum...   



  Thanks for the laugh!!!!  That made my night!

Okay, so I'm not a male, but recently found out I was a Gatherer.  I didn't like the description of it, especially the "thrifty gene" part, but once I got over it, I'm really happy with the food choices & it "feels" like a good fit.  I've finally managed to drop 2 lbs.,  (after a month & a half!) and even though I'm still recovering from an upper resp. infection & sinus & ear infection, I'm finally starting to feel better.  Been eating lots of superfoods/ diamonds & getting back on track with my supps. as well.  My DH, & DS 1 & 2 are all O's, but I haven't measured & typed them yet, so I remain the lone gatherer.  DH is content to eat what I put in front of him & will listen to any new info I dig up on BTD/ GTD, but has no desire to delve into it himself.  However, give him a 1000+ page manual on some new sound board or complicated piece of music gear & he can figure it out & have it up & running within no time.  Go figure!

Health issues I've had (whether O related, Gatherer related or otherwise) have been hypersensitivity to EVERYTHING (antibiotics, pretty much any meds, all pollens, dusts, molds, weeds, grasses & trees native to my area & every animal with hair or fur).  I've had joint pain for years, developed asthma & seem to have an immune system that welcomes anyone & everything in.  My goals with this lifestyle are diminishing or eliminating allergies & hypersensitivity, hopefully reversing my asthma & being able to get back to the healthy person that's able to go outside without misery & take on the world like I used to.  Not sure if any other Gatherers have these issues.  

Oh, ABJoe, I'm jealous that you're in the OC!  Totally where we want to end up one day.  Laguna is my dream home....as soon as I win the lottery!  


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Goal weight acheived!!  Woo Hoo!!!!
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ONE all male thread might still be interesting.. to follow.. their conversation might be a little different.. different enough to make a difference.. and cut to the chase.. maybe more men would respond if they did not have to wade through all the IN DEBT woman answers.. as there might only be 3 or 5  of them..  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Health issues I've had (whether O related, Gatherer related or otherwise) have been hypersensitivity to EVERYTHING (antibiotics, pretty much any meds, all pollens, dusts, molds, weeds, grasses & trees native to my area & every animal with hair or fur).  I've had joint pain for years, developed asthma & seem to have an immune system that welcomes anyone & everything in.  My goals with this lifestyle are diminishing or eliminating allergies & hypersensitivity, hopefully reversing my asthma & being able to get back to the healthy person that's able to go outside without misery & take on the world like I used to.  Not sure if any other Gatherers have these issues.  


I'm dealing with similar issues, especially the "hypersensitivity to everything in the world" issue. I had myself pegged as Explorer based on my first reading of the GTD book. But the "advanced calculator" in the back of the book, as well as SWAMI run a few times, all label me a Gatherer.

I think my own hypersensitivity issue have to do with my "nonniness." I wonder if you're also a nonnie (non-secretor) and if that explains part of your sensitivity.


Ruth, Single Mother to 20 yo  O- Leah , 18 yo O- Hannah, and  13 yo B+ Jack


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i'm having trouble following this thread.  

Is it about "Male Gatherers", as the title indicates?

Is it about having an all-male thread on the dadamo Forum?

Is it about female Gatherers?


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Dalkantrell started this thread to see if he could meet up with some other male Gatherers on this forum. A whole bunch of female Gatherers and men of other genotypes responded, because dalkantrell appears to be the first male Gatherer to grace this forum, and no others have joined him yet.

Goldie had the idea that an all male thread would be a good idea. If a man started one, and other men joined in, that would be perfectly fine. But so far, only Goldie has expressed interest in this, and she wouldn't be invited.


Ruth, Single Mother to 20 yo  O- Leah , 18 yo O- Hannah, and  13 yo B+ Jack


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Dalkantrell started this thread to see if he could meet up with some other male Gatherers on this forum. A whole bunch of female Gatherers and men of other genotypes responded, because dalkantrell appears to be the first male Gatherer to grace this forum, and no others have joined him yet.

Goldie had the idea that an all male thread would be a good idea. If a man started one, and other men joined in, that would be perfectly fine. But so far, only Goldie has expressed interest in this, and she wouldn't be invited.


Thanks for the summary!   Well done.

Except: The OP does invite women to respond, so it's not so much to "meet up with some other male Gatherers" as it is his "wonder[ing] what their experience with their health is like." And, since there are so few male Gatherers here, women and male non-Gatherers might be the primary contributors of information about them.

Likewise, Smaller Group threads, such as by bloodtype or secretor-type, have not been closed to "outsiders", especially if the latter have experiences re: the health or diets of those of the appropriate group to share: Of family members, for instance.  



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Ruthie, I have a sneaking suspicion I might be a nonnie...I'm hoping to get the test this month.  


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OK, I just joined, but I've searched and there seems to be no thread for us Gatherers. Creating this to remedy the problem. (And if there IS a Gatherer Support thread that I missed, please let me know and I'll delete this).

So Gatherers, let's talk! What are your questions, issues, ideas?
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