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Wow, that was a wicked post!  A lot more people should read this - consider re-posting as a blog?

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Thanks for bringing this point up. I hadn't ever thought to discuss this important point.

Because in many instances, without it, people die unnecessarily.

Is that a ringing endorsement of modern oncology? No, but what do you propose instead to tell a kid with a pediatric leukemia that is highly treatable: to juice raw liver in take coffee enemas instead? Years ago I had a patient who had a stage three testicular cancer. This cancer is 100% curable with chemotherapy. His wife, a massage therapist, was pushing that he go 'completely natural.'   I politely explained that there were many, many options he could use to help control and optimize his results, but it would not be wise to forgo a treatment such as this, which was so reliably successful. They opted instead to do juice fasts and go elsewhere. Six months later they were back in my office, he riddled with metastasis, now taking that very same chemo to simply 'debulk' the cancer and help him survive a bit longer pain free.

Epic fail.

I'm currently monitoring two brain cancer cases who are bucking the odds for long-term survival. In both cases they received convention treatment plus a tailored regimen from me. I doubt if they had received only one or the other that they would be alive today, though I am certain that Gary Null and Joe Mercola would have told them that this was all a big mistake. Trouble is, where are these guys when the patient comes back with the recurrence. I can tell you they are no where in sight. That's when they send in the assistant to tell you that 'maybe it is time to do the chemotherapy.'

Antineoplastons work in a very small number of people. I've seen several patients on Bryzinski's treatment, with no concurrent chemotherapy, die. Movies are nice, but reality should also include what they don't tell you. People die on Gerson Therapy. Chemo is not the be-all and end-all and some people are going to die no matter what.

A primitive approach, IMHO, is to base your decision on broad sweeping conclusions drawn from consumer reading material that limits your ability to decide what is the right thing to do then and there.

My goals are quite simple: to get my patients from one side of the river over to the other. If I can do that with exclusively naturopathic modalities, so much the better. If in order to do that I need to combine modalities, well, that is part of the equation. If the only way that I would agree to ferry them across would be to require them to do only that which is acceptable to me I would not be much a ferryman, now would I?

Hopes, aesthetics and dreams are nice. I get up five days a week and deal with realities.

Big difference.

BTW, the Hippocratic notion of 'first do no harm' (primum non nocere) is not an accurate interpretation. It is more accurately, 'if at all possible, do no harm.' i.e it is a heuristic, not an algorithm. If it were a law then draining a abscess or giving a B12 injection would be a violation.




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I am not convinced about the use of any chemo's, why... coz I saw too much of people gone by  those treatments but not by their developed cancer.....  ....

And then oncologists don't like us at all and want to send  us to hell, my motto of todays.... do the best for all with healing mushrooms (pilzli)salvestroles,curcuma&bioperine and other stuffs... but the most important for me today is: get tested... everybody of us is an individual and none of us show up the same reactions to any kind of stuff or supplement... so far... I only can repeat myselve... test the compatibility of all stuff before intake ... ......

but then all is about awareness and agreements .... so far... choose the right -ones .....


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There is no reason that naturopathic and allopathic traditions cannot work together.  They are doing it at the Dana Farber Cancer Institute and feel it helps empower the patient.  I hope that more practitioners on both sides of the aisle can put their differences aside and work together for the benefit of the patient.


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Dr. D. is utilizing the best of both worlds. I see his approach to healing as fighting the war and then cleaning up


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There is no reason that naturopathic and allopathic traditions cannot work together.  They are doing it at the Dana Farber Cancer Institute and feel it helps empower the patient.  I hope that more practitioners on both sides of the aisle can put their differences aside and work together for the benefit of the patient.


Absolutely


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Dr. D. is utilizing the best of both worlds. I see his approach to healing as fighting the war and then cleaning up


well put  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Bottom line, we are responsible for our own health. I gave up my MD to find one who will accept my diet is causing my joint pain and overall health ailments and I also have to move on from my ND who feels my joint pain and overall health comes alone from mental being. Well, I found my diet is the biggest role in my mental and physical well being. I still believe in what the right MD doctor has to tell me although I feel skeptical towards a close minded one. I'm glad there are online resources to help me out, at least to open up options to try them out anyways.
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Bottom line, we are responsible for our own health. I gave up my MD to find one who will accept my diet is causing my joint pain and overall health ailments and I also have to move on from my ND who feels my joint pain and overall health comes alone from mental being. Well, I found my diet is the biggest role in my mental and physical well being. I still believe in what the right MD doctor has to tell me although I feel skeptical towards a close minded one. I'm glad there are online resources to help me out, at least to open up options to try them out anyways.


Finding the right doctor is key.  I am fortunate that my PCP is an osteopath so seems to better balance allopathic and naturopathic medicine.  She treats me with respect and would never discount my feelings and intuition about my health or wellness.


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The many cancer patients I spoke with , as the daughter of an oncologist did not  resent at all the treatment.

They can't be all stupid, Dr D is really wise in his approach too as ever,
thanks DR D always for your knowledge and wisdom

Common sense and to avoid therapeutic obstinacy when it is just a pain for the patient should rule.


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Thanks for bringing this point up. I hadn't ever thought to discuss this important point.

Because in many instances, without it, people die unnecessarily.

Is that a ringing endorsement of modern oncology? No, but what do you propose instead to tell a kid with a pediatric leukemia that is highly treatable: to juice raw liver in take coffee enemas instead? Years ago I had a patient who had a stage three testicular cancer. This cancer is 100% curable with chemotherapy. His wife, a massage therapist, was pushing that he go 'completely natural.'   I politely explained that there were many, many options he could use to help control and optimize his results, but it would not be wise to forgo a treatment such as this, which was so reliably successful. They opted instead to do juice fasts and go elsewhere. Six months later they were back in my office, he riddled with metastasis, now taking that very same chemo to simply 'debulk' the cancer and help him survive a bit longer pain free.

Epic fail.

I'm currently monitoring two brain cancer cases who are bucking the odds for long-term survival. In both cases they received convention treatment plus a tailored regimen from me. I doubt if they had received only one or the other that they would be alive today, though I am certain that Gary Null and Joe Mercola would have told them that this was all a big mistake. Trouble is, where are these guys when the patient comes back with the recurrence. I can tell you they are no where in sight. That's when they send in the assistant to tell you that 'maybe it is time to do the chemotherapy.'

Antineoplastons work in a very small number of people. I've seen several patients on Bryzinski's treatment, with no concurrent chemotherapy, die. Movies are nice, but reality should also include what they don't tell you. People die on Gerson Therapy. Chemo is not the be-all and end-all and some people are going to die no matter what.

A primitive approach, IMHO, is to base your decision on broad sweeping conclusions drawn from consumer reading material that limits your ability to decide what is the right thing to do then and there.

My goals are quite simple: to get my patients from one side of the river over to the other. If I can do that with exclusively naturopathic modalities, so much the better. If in order to do that I need to combine modalities, well, that is part of the equation. If the only way that I would agree to ferry them across would be to require them to do only that which is acceptable to me I would not be much a ferryman, now would I?

Hopes, aesthetics and dreams are nice. I get up five days a week and deal with realities.

Big difference.

BTW, the Hippocratic notion of 'first do no harm' (primum non nocere) is not an accurate interpretation. It is more accurately, 'if at all possible, do no harm.' i.e it is a heuristic, not an algorithm. If it were a law then draining a abscess or giving a B12 injection would be a violation.


Thank you Dr. D. I appreciate you taking the time out of your day to address this important issue. You are a true healer!
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Thank you, Dr. D.....this is the voice of wisdom.
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I read this topic with great interest, and I'm very happy to have read Dr D'Adamo's reply.

I myself am still alive because of chemotherapy. It's harsh treatment, but it works. Of course, it takes a personal approach from a dedicated doctor to find the right kind of chemo, the correct doses, the right schedule, and the appropriate care on the side.
But yes, chemo does save lives, and I am living proof.
My mother, who had the same cancer as I do, did not have chemo and died from her illness a year later.

However, if chemo alone has kept me alive and the cancer in check, it has only started to cure me since I've started eating right for my type and (especially) eliminating stress from my life.
So if you give your body what it needs, the chemo can do its job a lot better.


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Dr. D'Adamo is a very balanced person-- he looks at everything and then knows what is best. He is not opposed to conventional treatment when needed.  

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I read this topic with great interest, and I'm very happy to have read Dr D'Adamo's reply.

I myself am still alive because of chemotherapy. It's harsh treatment, but it works. Of course, it takes a personal approach from a dedicated doctor to find the right kind of chemo, the correct doses, the right schedule, and the appropriate care on the side.
But yes, chemo does save lives, and I am living proof.
My mother, who had the same cancer as I do, did not have chemo and died from her illness a year later.

However, if chemo alone has kept me alive and the cancer in check, it has only started to cure me since I've started eating right for my type and (especially) eliminating stress from my life.
So if you give your body what it needs, the chemo can do its job a lot better.

It makes me smile to see this thread appearing again. When I first came back to the forum last fall this thread was the one that caught my eye! Someone had stuck their neck out and generated a wonderful discussion!

I have known people who had chemo, and the doctors supplemented their protocols with special diets and supplements. All of them came out really well. One lady who had a breast removed didn't even lose her hair. Others I have known who had doctors who never even considered the thought of supplementing and diet are dead. Lots of them..... Very sad indeed.


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I am going for a cat scan next for lesions on my liver, also still have multiple uterine fibroids, now there is concern that perhaps it's cancer that spread to my liver.  Quite frightened.  But my mom who is 80 recently went through surgery & chemo for rectal cancer.  So far, she's still doing well.  She's strong.  I certainly will not avoid chemo if it will be recommended if this is cancer.  I waited too long to do something in my case, now I hope there is time.  We'll see.  Of course lately I've been doing well on explorer foods, wish I had been more compliant earlier on.  Took too long to quit coffee, etc.  Now I can't handle it.  Green tea is about as much as I can stand....  But the foods that are on my lists are mostly soothing foods to my system.
2degreespisces, your story is inspirational!  Thanks for sharing with the community!
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I am going for a cat scan next for lesions on my liver, also still have multiple uterine fibroids, now there is concern that perhaps it's cancer that spread to my liver.  Quite frightened.  But my mom who is 80 recently went through surgery & chemo for rectal cancer.  So far, she's still doing well.  She's strong.  I certainly will not avoid chemo if it will be recommended if this is cancer.  I waited too long to do something in my case, now I hope there is time.  We'll see.  Of course lately I've been doing well on explorer foods, wish I had been more compliant earlier on.  Took too long to quit coffee, etc.  Now I can't handle it.  Green tea is about as much as I can stand....  But the foods that are on my lists are mostly soothing foods to my system.
2degreespisces, your story is inspirational!  Thanks for sharing with the community!

I am so sorry about this, Paula O!   I do wish for the very best outcome from your scan. Please do let us know how it goes.... I'm glad most of your foods are soothing to you. That gives your body just the boost it needs right now. My foods have done wonders for me, and the strange thing is, they taste better than they have in years. Fruits taste so divinely sweet to me now. Even nice, fresh, organic broccoli is delicious just lightly steamed with a little lemon and oil. I don't know what all you can have but the entire mustard family is really good for women. There are a lot of veggies in that group. Take care.
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Thanks Spring, I love steamed broccoli too!
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Blessings for good health and strength to you, Paula.    

I encourage you to take advantage of Dr. D's book on preventing and dealing with cancer.  Even if you are  following the Genotype diet, you can work with the supplements for your type.  And check in with the Protocols here http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/index.htm



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My goals are quite simple: to get my patients from one side of the river over to the other. If I can do that with exclusively naturopathic modalities, so much the better. If in order to do that I need to combine modalities, well, that is part of the equation. If the only way that I would agree to ferry them across would be to require them to do only that which is acceptable to me I would not be much a ferryman, now would I?


Funny. You use the same metaphor I've always used with respect to my work with postpartum women: For them it's a raging river, and they just don't think they'll make it across to their new rôle and serenity/happiness therein.

Peter, as you know, I have long valued your appreciation of the Complementary approach. My brother's recovery from open heart surgery / valve replacement / aortic anastamosis / coronary bypass was with the assistance of the BTD, wowing his cardiologist. My own recent blog on blending a holistic outlook with even the extreme reaches of allopathic modalities was deemed worthy of comment by you. It's indeed important for those punctilious to follow a pathfinding practitioner / theorist such as yourself to think for themselves, too, in the moment, and be prepared to make choices they never thought they'd make or have to make, if these are what are called for.

I missed this thread in its original day. Glad to see folks here recognizing its importance. Maybe some will not be quick to have a problem with those who put themselves in the driver's seat and choose, using your work in conjunction with that of others.


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you will win this battle!!

keep us posted on your progress and stay compliant......now is better than never


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@Paula O+: what a tough time this must be for you! When will you have the CAT scan?

In all the uncertainty there is one thing you can do for your body, and that is to take the best possible care of it. I also hope you have a supportive circle of family and friends around you, as that helps in dealing with these things.

Please let us know how your scan went; in the meantime I wish you all the best!


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