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Joeyy
Wednesday, September 21, 2011, 12:40pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Is there any hunters or other O's that do ok on Milk?

The reason I ask is.... Since giving up milk I have found that my muscles are so much more tired whenever I go for a run. I was far much better off energy wise when drinking milk and exercising. Also, I have noticed that the dark circles around my eyes are alot more visible.

I have been eating alot of almonds, brocolli and green leafy vegetables but I still don't feel I'm getting enough calcium to help my muscles function properly. I'm very suspicious about taking suppliments tablets for anything.

Any advice or opinions?
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How about an epsolm salts bath, which is loaded with magnesium.  Maybe your aching muscles are craving magnesium instead of calcium?


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I'm eating foods high in Magnesium - Tuna, Almonds, Spinach, other vegetbales, fruit

It's amazing that foods high in magnesium are not allowed on the Hunter list such as wheat, lentils, soya, yoghurt, milk, legumes, Avocado etc

I'm starting to think maybe this diet is too restrictive, especially if people are resulting in taking suppliments to get the recommended vitimins and minerals
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Are you drinking bone broths? How about  eating canned fish with the bones? You can also drink herbal infusions for calcium and other minerals- you get the minerals in a more consistant and absorbable form than just from eating a lot of greens.  http://www.herbcompanion.com/health/supplement-calcium-with-herbal-tea.aspx

There are ways to add calcium to the diet that don't involve dairy products.


Ruth, Single Mother to 20 yo  O- Leah , 18 yo O- Hannah, and  13 yo B+ Jack


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Quoted from Joeyy


I'm starting to think maybe this diet is too restrictive, especially if people are resulting in taking suppliments to get the recommended vitimins and minerals


Some people don't like eating enough vegetables. Or some other thing they don't like.

Some people suffer malabsorption issues.

Some health conditions benefit from supplementation above the normal minimums.

Some people like to supplement even though they don't need to.
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Why the concern over calcium?

Calcium is not absorbed from milk particularly in hunters.


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Calcium is always a bit of a problem in the type O diet. Dr. D mentions this in ER4YT.

You can try adding blackstrap molasses to any meal with red meat. Blackstrap molasses have more calcium than dairy, and the IAP (an enzyme high in O's) from the meal will help you absorb the calcium you need.

Blackstrap molasses are also very high in other minerals, and not too high in sugar, though some people believe the presence of iron in the molasses prevents the absorption of calcium. I don't know if this is the case for O's.

This is what I've been doing, personally. You can also get the maerl seaweed from NAP (a supplement).
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Quoted from Andrea AWsec

Calcium is not absorbed from milk particularly in hunters.


Ideal calcium to magnesium ratio is 2:1, milk's ratio is 10:1
Milk is designed for baby calves, not adult humans.

All above advise is good, I'd also cut out gluten grains- they sure make me feel sluggish and give me sugar craving which would not be good to eat for your muscles : )

Let us know how you get on!

Good luck!
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...although many people in Finland like raw unpasteurized milk... of course its nutrients are far better than with pasteurization. Some O type people are not that sensitive to see that milk of good quality was bad for them.

I personally have always liked only good butter and some cheeses - that SWAMI allows for me


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Something else I just thought of. You mention having less endurance when exercising since starting the Hunter diet- how can you be sure that it's the lack of milk causing the problem? It might be a temporary "detox" reaction that will go away on its own in a few days or weeks. Or it might be that you're not getting enough of *something* in your diet- but what makes you assume it's the lack of milk or the need for calcium that's causing the problem?

You might not be eating enough total calories, or not enough protien, or not enough carbs. While Os tend to need lower-carb diets than other blood types, it is possible to take it too far and not consume enough grains or starchy vegetables for your own personal needs.


Ruth, Single Mother to 20 yo  O- Leah , 18 yo O- Hannah, and  13 yo B+ Jack


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Yeah the calcium issue........ important to note Joeyy that pasteurized dairy is pretty much a highly processed junk food...... just food for thought.  Many of my health struggles/weight problems began as a teen on dairy foods so I am strongly against.  
The suggestion of blackstrap molasses is good.  Also a whey isolate recovery shake post workout.  Dairy is such a tiring draggy food.... imo it can almost make you in to an incapacitated stoner.  It is that bad.
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I agree with Ruthie, could be detox.

But if you still want milk..... Have you tried buffalo milk? It's a diamond on my Hunter Swami. You can get it in 750ml cartons at Waitrose for £2.95 - it's pricey but delicious! I make my own yoghurt with it too  


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I had a post nasal drip all my life, and would clear it when I was outside or alone.  However, on long driving trips my wife would be present and found it very objectionable. So when I first started ER4YT and got off of dairy, my wife noticed that I quit having to clear it.  She still mentions the improvement as a positive, and chides me when I cheat and eat ice cream.  Of course a dentist friend of mine told me that ice cream is one of the worst of the junk foods, I still cheat, I'm weak.
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Well it has been just short of 2 months since I first started this thread and during this time, I am absolutely disgusted with myself for listening and falling for this so called diet.

Shortly after my 1st post I visited my doctor where he thought it would be best to complete a couple of simple tests. He was completely shocked to see how high my cholesteral and blood pressure had shot up and his first response was, "what on earth have you been doing since I last saw you?"... My reply was, I have been following the BTD/GTD for the last 5 months.

Well, since that visit I have done some thorough searching for hours online about the benefits of food, diets, nutritional value, diet researches etc. I came across the "China Study", which I'm sure people have alot to say about. After reading that, it has totally changed my life, especially my health. After 6-7 weeks I re-visited the doctor and my tests are fully back to normal and healthy, just by giving up meat and dairy. While on the GTD I started to notice my skin was becoming dry and dark circles were very visible. I even noticed that my hair was starting to thin rapidly.. All that has been reversed since going vegetarian.. Not to mention my energy levels have shot through the roof.

What makes me angry and that I actually fell for this nonsense of letting finger measurements/prints, leg length, extra molar cusp/teeth shovelling (lol), leg/torso ratio, jaw angle etc, decide what foods I should eat... I'm actually laughing to myself thinking about it. To say that I can't eat kiwi's, strawberry's, grains, legumes, soya, wholewheat and other foods that are on the superfoods list is an absolute disgrace. Not to mention all the money on different tests and suppliments. He must be laughing all the way to the bank!!!

Because of this, I completely ruined my health in the short 5 months of eating saturated fatty, high cholestral, hormoned infected meat and now enjoy a health balanced cholesteral free diet.

I know people here mean well and I'm not angry or moaning at them. I've had some lovely help and advice from such kind people when I seeked advice.. This is just my view of my bad experience.

All the best to everyone and rant over  
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I'm sorry you had such a bad experience with GTD. If you were interested in remaining here, I'd be glad to help you fine-tune your diet and figure out what went wrong. My first question would be to verify your blood type- if you're actually a Type A Warrior, and not a Type O Hunter, then everything else falls into place. The diet reccomended by the China Study is somewhat similar to the Warrior diet, and Hunters and Warriors do have similar physical characteristics (long and lean.)

We're all individuals. You may be a type O with very different physiology than the "typical O." I'm glad you've found a diet that's working well for you, and I wish you continued good health.


Ruth, Single Mother to 20 yo  O- Leah , 18 yo O- Hannah, and  13 yo B+ Jack


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"Because of this, I completely ruined my health in the short 5 months of eating saturated fatty, high cholestral, hormoned infected meat and now enjoy a health balanced cholesteral free diet."


My question for you Joeyy is why were you eating the kind of meat you describe above?  The diet recommends hormone free grass fed beef.  Of course you were getting sick, as we all are from the kind of c**p that is sold in most grocery stores!!


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NancyEllen- I can't afford to buy grass-fed meat. I've tried cutting back on meat intake overall, and my health suffers. When I eat "cheap grocery store beef" in adequate quantities (as defined by SWAMI) my energy levels improve and my moods stablize.

Joeyv clearly does not do well on a high meat diet, as evidenced by his rapid turn-around on a vegetarian diet. He's clearly not a Hunter, even if that's how he measured out according to the GTD book. He may have mis-measured, or he may have specific issues that change his genotype in spite of what the charts in the book say. Or he may not even be an O. But to blame his poor health solely on the quality of meat is missing the point.


Ruth, Single Mother to 20 yo  O- Leah , 18 yo O- Hannah, and  13 yo B+ Jack


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Hi Ruthie - I recently gave blood which confirmed that I'm 'O' negative.. Regarding the meat situation. Whether it be chicken, lamb, beef, turkey etc.. I always made sure it was the best quality and grass fed.. But as you said, it is more expensive.

I'm eating tons more veggies, legumes, fruits, soya, nuts, seeds, grains, wholewheat bread.. On the vegetarian diet, I'm actually eating more without the digestion problems, gas, bloating and pain. My physique has changed dramatically in regard to shape and tone, without the conern of lose of weight.. I'm delighted!!
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I can't help but wonder if you'd do even better if you followed the Type O food lists (no wheat, kidney beans, corn, etc) but continued eating the macronutrient ratios you're doing now (lots of whole grains and beans, little to no animal products.)

You also may find that, over time, the vegerarian diet doesn't feel adequate. You may do well eating small amounts of fish, poultry, and/or red meat- like maybe one portion a week, or a few times a week. Being completely meat-free may  be working well right now, as a kind of detox from "too much meat for you personally" over the past 5 months, but you may need a more moderate omnivorous diet in the long-term.


Ruth, Single Mother to 20 yo  O- Leah , 18 yo O- Hannah, and  13 yo B+ Jack


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Right now, I'm feeling real good and sleeping great again. I don't feel the urge to eat meat or fish anymore, but only time will tell... You may be right, but I want to really persevere with this for now.

Another factor in my decision was watching the Earthlings movie and listening to a guy call Gary Yourofsky.. Not my main reason, but it sure helped.

http://www.earthlings.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4
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Thanks Lola.. I remember reading that a while ago.

Like I mentioned earlier.. This is just my experience after trying the GTD and now recovering my health being a vegetarian. I don't see why I would want to experience the troubles again following D'Adamo's advice.. I've got my energy levels, cholesteral, blood pressure, skin, eyes, all back to normal.

Too many many medical professionals don't seem to give much praise to this diet and I think I would rather listen to these people who have actually conducted tests over many years. Until there are long term trial conducted I remain skeptical

But that's just my view
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Hi Joeyy,

Good luck to you. Sounds like you know what you want to do.

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Thanks Lloyd - appreciate that
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