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Easy E
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I'm not sure where the explorer thread is, but explorers are very prone to liver stagnation.  I was reading about Chinese medicine liver patterns and their symptoms.  One pattern is the liver becomes over taxed and slows.  The energy and heat build and the liver heat rises and attacks the stomach.  The energy is supposed to flow downwards, but in this pattern the energy rises up and will cause anger, heat, lump in throat feeling, acid reflux, etc.

Fatty foods, heavy foods, caffeine, and alcohol will aggravate the condition and cause more back up in the liver.  I am feeling this sensation again because i have been drinking coffee almost every day and eating more heavy greasy food.  I am getting milk thistle and taking it every day and i really need to stop drinking coffee!!

Have any other explorers felt symptoms like this?

Here is a website with liver patterns.  I bet many explorers are prone to these.

http://www.mybodywisdom.net/pages/articles_liver.html
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My DD, A Explorer, has more issues with kidneys than liver...

I have more issues with liver / gall bladder.  I find that by keeping the liver system happy through diet is easier than fixing it, even with supplements.  I use apple juice, coconut oil, liver and onions, and bok choy to assist the liver.  All of my Genoharmonic combinations are designed to aid the liver, so I should work to get more of those into practice.


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Easy E,
Yep, you described me quite well.  I've been thinking I was borderline Teacher/Explorer but I'm pretty sure I'm Explorer with the liver issue.
I seem to do best if I stick with green and herbal tea.  I used to drink a lot of black tea, I might have one at most.  And milk thistle is good and vitamin C.
Lin


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Same for me. Have to stay on the straight and narrow path when it comes to food. More work to fix things by cheating and then trying to fix it (not to mention a colossal waste of time and energy). It's important to make peace with our Explorer GT status. It is what it is and thank God for us that Dr. Peter D'Adamo followed his calling!!!!!!! One of the Explorer supplements is designed with great liver enhancers.
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Quoted from Easy E
I'm not sure where the explorer thread is, but explorers are very prone to liver stagnation.  I was reading about Chinese medicine liver patterns and their symptoms.  One pattern is the liver becomes over taxed and slows.  The energy and heat build and the liver heat rises and attacks the stomach.  The energy is supposed to flow downwards, but in this pattern the energy rises up and will cause anger, heat, lump in throat feeling, acid reflux, etc.


Yes, all of those, but not when I'm eating compliantly.  The lump in the throat was becoming a pretty big deal over the past few years before I started BTD.  It felt like my throat was closing down and I couldn't swallow what I was eating, the food was just stuck in my esophogus, not going down or coming up.  Painful and frightening.  It rarely happens now.  I used to think it was because I was trying to eat too quickly, trying to keep up with DH and some friends who always eat more quickly than I do - I'm always the last one, still eating when their plates are finished.  Then I thought it was because of eating while feeling anxious.  Then, once I started BTD, I thought it had been the bread and carby grains that got stuck, and now that I wasn't eating them I wasn't experiencing that lump in the throat.  Now, I'm not so sure.  I'd love to visit a qualified Chinese medicine practitioner sometime.  Perhaps one day I will.

Btw, I tried the Explorer liver detox a couple of months or so ago, and I didn't feel any effects at all.     I bought some milk thistle tea bags, but then I read that it mimics the effects of estrogen, which I don't need, so I haven't used it.
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Easy E,
Yep, you described me quite well.  I've been thinking I was borderline Teacher/Explorer but I'm pretty sure I'm Explorer with the liver issue.
I seem to do best if I stick with green and herbal tea.  I used to drink a lot of black tea, I might have one at most.  And milk thistle is good and vitamin C.
Lin


You're describing me too....I tolerate green and herbal tea only and depending on how I tweaked my SWAMI intake form, I could sometimes come out as a Teacher with a lot of Explorer foods
and other times, I'd be typed more like a Teacher (meaning that duck & chicken livers would
keep moving from diamonds to neutrals).....I always felt I was borderline Teacher/Explorer and as an A2, I've seen many A2 Explorers on this forum.  Wonder why Dr. D says A2s are most likely to be Teachers. I tolerate no cheese... and I'm just as bad on eggs...Wild game doesn't appeal to me
whatsoever...nor does the Explorer diet.  

I don't really digest fats (as in chicken liver, duck) very well. I had duck the other night (a neutral) and I was tossing and turning most of the night.
Much better on fish and white meat poultry....  I don't tolerate coffee or caffeine.. I tend to live on milk thistle....

Is one of the hallmarks of an Explorer being rather physically uneven?  I mean like I've got one leg longer than the other...My toes aren't the same size on one foot as the other...My jaw sometimes looks shifted and off center...My face isn't very symmetrical....but I'm not left handed
and didn't fit the profile of Explorer very well as described in the GTD book.  I seem to have the temperament of a Teacher...and SWAMI calls me a 42% Teacher.  And my fingerprint patterns
are the same on both hands.

O in VA, note this explanation of milk thistle and estrogen.  Read last paragraph.

How does it work?

Milk thistle seed might protect liver cells from toxic chemicals and drugs. It also seems to have antioxidant and anti-inflammatory effects. Milk thistle plant extract might enhance the effects of estrogen.

Are there safety concerns?

Milk thistle is LIKELY SAFE for most adults. Milk thistle sometimes causes a laxative effect. Other less common side effects are nausea, diarrhea, indigestion, intestinal gas, bloating, fullness or pain, and loss of appetite.
Special precautions & warnings:
Pregnancy and breast-feeding: Not enough is known about the use of milk thistle during pregnancy and breast-feeding. Stay on the safe side and avoid use.

Allergy to ragweed and related plants: Milk thistle may cause an allergic reaction in people who are sensitive to the Asteraceae/Compositae plant family. Members of this family include ragweed, chrysanthemums, marigolds, daisies, and many others. If you have allergies, be sure to check with your healthcare provider before taking milk thistle.

Hormone-sensitive conditions such as breast cancer, uterine cancer, ovarian cancer, endometriosis, or uterine fibroids: Extracts from milk thistle PLANT might act like estrogen. If you have any condition that might be made worse by exposure to estrogen, don’t use these extracts. In contrast, the more commonly used milk thistle SEED extracts do not seem to act like estrogen.

Dr.D's Hepatiguard contains milk thistle seed.



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Thanks for the distinction, Chloe.  Ok then, milk thistle seeds are ok.  I'll check my tea to see which it is.  Good to know about Dr. D.'s Hepatiguard.

Thanks for the link, Easy E.  Very interesting.  I want to keep my liver clear and free.  I will be thinking about this.  
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you forgot to mention *heavy outburst of anger* .... ...sometimes....


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I have experienced that myself!  I used to have unstable moods and rage problems over insignificant stuff.  I still really need to not drink caffeine every day like i have been though.  

I tell myself "you are A, you can have coffee anytime, you can have starches!." Or "you are an explorer, you can eat any meat you want." My liver can't take it all!
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very little starches for me ... I don't have moody things... I am an NT... we might explode sometimes... but merely *implode* more often....



and hey btw.. while discussing such thingies for explorers... so folks please let me know your experiences with chemical bombs called allopathic medications.....
I def. can't have any kind of painkiller.....and also saw that nearly none of the antibiotics are really working for me, thats'why I use essential oils and highest dosages in phytotherapy.....
how are you actiong on those and what are you using instead of painkillers and other meds

My best painkiller is still my power tube....


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Thank goodness, I have not needed a painkiller since starting BTD.  I'm trying to remember.  I did have the makings of a migraine one day, which almost never happens now, but I think I was able to nip it in the bud with sleep.  I never took anything for it.  The medicine that wonked me out was some kind of opiate pain killer after I had my dental implant.  It made me have crazy waking dreams/hallucinations.  I didn't like it.  It was a mild dosage, too.  I think that kind of stuff is NOT for explorers.  

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I tell myself "you are A, you can have coffee anytime, you can have starches!." Or "you are an explorer, you can eat any meat you want." My liver can't take it all!


Easy E, you know perfectly well you should do EITHER Blood Type Diet OR Genotype Diet.  Not both.     If you want to do both, let swami compute your best diet.  Just my (unasked for) two cents.  
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How about a small amount of DLPA for pain...?I like a supplement called Curamin, but it seems to have ingredients good for a type O.  DLPA, Boswellia, Curcumin, & Nattokinase.  Actually it's for muscular type pain I believe, maybe not so much for migraine pain, then feverfew herb may work.  But I like to try to find safe herbs instead of regular drugs.  
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Chloe,
I had same experience as you typing out as Teacher and other times Explorer, mostly to do with what health issues i'm aiming for.
My % is usually 46-48% for teacher or explorer, and I'm coming to terms with the idea I am a mix of both. With my Liver/Gall bladder issues Explorer feels right, although I think if I was healthy I would be a Teacher.
I also have the issue with fat digestion, but find Lipase help.
Eggs I think I'm okay with, not 100% sure about egg white mind, although that is neutral, the yolk is the beneficial.
I overall feel best more pesco-vegetarian with a little turkey/chicken now and again.  
And yes I am rather asymmetrical, which is a hallmarks of an Explorer I believe. But I'm not left handed.

I use Milk Thistle regular for the liver as the enzymes go to the end of the range, started about 8 years ago. I have the seed, didn't realise there was a difference.
Lin


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hmmm about the suggestion of the use of DPLA... not that bad but it is that toughy that it made me more then hyper while using the complete 500mg's.... then I reduced to 250 mg's and even here.. justamente à la limite.....

then I consulted literature and saw... in some ot them it is mentioned it can trigger
pains (especially migraines) and in others it is recommended especially in cases of migraines.... thus is soooo boring and upsetting me, you can't really know whats truth about it ... I'd gave it to a BRh+ but sechi and she was ok even with full portion of 500mg's-no problems but then she was forced to use 2 of aspirins
at the same day... for her battle against headaches......

yipppiiiee I am more then blessed being able to test others and myselve with the Wegatester if stuff is compatible or not....haaa....


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Easy E, you know perfectly well you should do EITHER Blood Type Diet OR Genotype Diet.  Not both.     If you want to do both, let swami compute your best diet.  Just my (unasked for) two cents.  [/quote]

Very true!  Mixing all that together is definatley a strain on the system.

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over 3 years ago I suffered from "liver Xi stagnation invading the spleen", aka, depression.
I also suffered "liver wind", aka, a tic disorder.

I did intensive acupunture for 6 months, 1-2 times per week. It felt great, and the depression lifted each time. But it was expensive.

1.5 years ago I discovered another Oriental protocol, called 8 body type. I'm HEPATONIA, which means strong liver, weak lungs. So I followed the diet: eating RED MEAT every day for 1 year! I felt terrific, but then again I'm type O, so I don't know what this means for type A.

I switched to BTD in April, because the grains were making me even MORE psychotic!
Still loving red meat every day. And tics (liver wind) are a thing of the past--IF I'm compliant : )
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Quoted from mpolyglottos
over 3 years ago I suffered from "liver Xi stagnation invading the spleen", aka, depression.
I also suffered "liver wind", aka, a tic disorder.

I did intensive acupunture for 6 months, 1-2 times per week. It felt great, and the depression lifted each time. But it was expensive.

1.5 years ago I discovered another Oriental protocol, called 8 body type. I'm HEPATONIA, which means strong liver, weak lungs. So I followed the diet: eating RED MEAT every day for 1 year! I felt terrific, but then again I'm type O, so I don't know what this means for type A.

I switched to BTD in April, because the grains were making me even MORE psychotic!
Still loving red meat every day. And tics (liver wind) are a thing of the past--IF I'm compliant : )


I went to an acupunturist about 3 years ago.  He said all of my organs were strong except my liver had a little stagnation.  I was not surprised because i was drinking at least a couple of beers on most days and smoking.

The diagnosis he gave me was liver chi stagnation and liver fire invading the stomach (i went in for rage problems).  This pattern causes anger, GERD, and other GI problems.

On things i read, beef and most other red meats are liver relaxing in Chinese Medicine.  Beef relaxes the liver and increases yang (hot) energy.  Being i am A, i probably should limit red meats, but eat them occassionally being an explorer.

For me, the caffeine really is a culprit, and alcohol if i drink it more than once or twice a week (I shouldn't drink either at all though).

I eat fast foods fairly often as well.  My problem is one of poor discipline i think.  Explorers can't tolrate the same abuses like some other types without feeling it!  I need to accept that instead of trying to force myself to be "invinsible" and just consume anything without consequences.  My problem is one of my mindset!  I consider it weak to not be able to eat or drink anything.  I am hard on myself probably.


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Easy E - It does take time to adjust the mind set to be sure! But...have you done SWAMI? Perhaps just setting yourself a goal of eating diamonds on the weekend and then sneaking them in throughout the week will be encouraging. The younger you are when you begin is a great bonus. Even though I knew intuitively 20 years ago that I should not eat gluten and mostly didn't but would get this inner rebellion at times because I wanted to be like everyone else (especially on holidays) I would suffer the consequences but still repeat the action. I don't do that anymore because doing damage control is exhausting. Also, I remind myself of this saying : "Insanity is doing the same thing over & over and expecting different results." So...today I am making and taking my own gluten-free pizza to a party. I asked the hosts to let the others know I have celiac, will bring my own dinner and let's not talk about it or make a fuss. They thought it was a great idea. I don't want people to stop asking me over when the menu is pizza! I wish you the very best in coming to terms with compliancy! I like Dr. D's saying about : "....just do the work."
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What helped me avoid coffeee and black tea was making a regular ritual of doing adaptogens. I tincture them and take them as tea, especially early in the day and they give me a gentle but definite energy lift in the morning. I think we can get addicted to the rush of caffiene, but if you can "adapt" yourself to the more gentle approach you will find that you have all the energy you need.

Dr. D recommends specific adaptogens for different blood types. I think he likes Holy Basil (Tulsi) for Bs and As because it helps with cortisol. Eleuthero is another one he recommends a lot. Also Rhodiola and Schisandra. Most of these are specifically hepatoprotective (assist the liver function). I have also discovered Maral Root, or Rhaponticum, another Siberian adaptogen, but so far haven't seen anything here on this site about it. One O I know has found that he actually sleeps really well now that he is doing it. Of course schisandra is known to tone the nervous system and regulate sleep, it is used for insomnia for instance. So it energizes but does not keep you awake at night, as some other herbs may do. It is important to note that getting good rest often makes coffee unnecessary-- since quiting wheat and other grains I seldom have trouble with my sleep. but I use scullcap at night if I'm worrried I won't sleep well.
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I'm not sure where the explorer thread is, but explorers are very prone to liver stagnation.  I was reading about Chinese medicine liver patterns and their symptoms.  One pattern is the liver becomes over taxed and slows.  The energy and heat build and the liver heat rises and attacks the stomach.  The energy is supposed to flow downwards, but in this pattern the energy rises up and will cause anger, heat, lump in throat feeling, acid reflux, etc.

Fatty foods, heavy foods, caffeine, and alcohol will aggravate the condition and cause more back up in the liver.  I am feeling this sensation again because i have been drinking coffee almost every day and eating more heavy greasy food.  I am getting milk thistle and taking it every day and i really need to stop drinking coffee!!

Have any other explorers felt symptoms like this?

Here is a website with liver patterns.  I bet many explorers are prone to these.
http://www.mybodywisdom.net/pages/articles_liver.html



Easy - I haven't looked at your website yet but have you thought of what you would start cutting back on first? I notice as an Explorer that - although I am an A nonnie, I lose my digestive capabilities for heavy foods - including my beneficial peanuts for breast cancer protection - promptly at 6pm in the evening and am better off with fruits that improve digestion as a snack. Have you ever considered doing that? I can actually get my dreaded (and in the past now) bulimic attacks if my liver doesn't think it can handle my heavier beneficial foods.

One important thing I must add: when I am emotionally hurt for a very long time -- all the feelings and trauma go to (where?) [/b]my liver[b], and center there



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I'm not sure where the explorer thread is


Go to the searchbox up in the right hand corner of the D'adamo site and type in "
Explorer Support Thread" and it will pull it up.



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Easy - I haven't looked at your website yet but have you thought of what you would start cutting back on first? I notice as an Explorer that - although I am an A nonnie, I lose my digestive capabilities for heavy foods - including my beneficial peanuts for breast cancer protection - promptly at 6pm in the evening and am better off with fruits that improve digestion as a snack. Have you ever considered doing that? I can actually get my dreaded (and in the past now) bulimic attacks if my liver doesn't think it can handle my heavier beneficial foods.

One important thing I must add: when I am emotionally hurt for a very long time -- all the feelings and trauma go to (where?) [/b]my liver[b], and center there



I feel that way.  I find that drinking lemon juice in drinks helps my digestion.  I'm like you, sometimes heavier foods give me heart burn if my stomach isn't warmed up with lighter stuff.  

Magnesium supplements also seem to be very helpful for me.  

That website is not mine personally!  I just enjoy reading stuff like that.    
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I have read any number of websites about the various herbs that can be used for a liver cleanse. The problem is, I can't tolerate herbal substances.
I am highly sensitve to relatively harmless things like licorice root, milk thistle, aloe, flax, melatonin; these things either stop working after taking them for 2 days or else I get adverse reactions---even anaphalactic reactions depending on the specific substance.

So far, oddly enough, I have found that eating 4+ servings of beets per week acts like  very mild a liver cleanse.

For those here who are HSP's, how do you cleanse or clear out your liver? Are there any other Explorers here that have trouble metabolizing herbal supplements or other kinds of supplements?
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follow the liver cleanse in your GTD book
on pg 252

there is also a protocol
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/19.html


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Ahhh... yes. I have a lot of problem metabolizing most supplements, vitamins, medications, etc.

i have found that my SWAMI eating plan helps a lot. There is a liver cleanse that i do about every 6-7 weeks or so... it's nasty as sin, but it works.

basically... the day before my cleanse I drink a lot of apple juice the day (4 or 5 - 8 oz glasses) and eat only salad and fruit. Before bed, i drink 2 tsp of sea salt mixed in about 8 oz warm water. Chug it down. Then I take 2 Tbsp of olive oil and chase it with 2 Tbsp of lemon juice (all of this is organic, BTW).

Then i lay on my right side and visualize my liver cleansing itself. I usually end up going to the bathroom numerous times.

next morning i take the hottest 20 minute shower i can stand.

You can also add a castor oil pack when you lay down. I travel so much that i don't always have ready access to castor oil.

If i am really stuck and don't have time to do a cleanse, i will take milk thistle and drink dandelion root tea, which helps some.

oh and yes, actually, beets are very good for detoxing the liver. I have found that making a raw beet salad (with grated ginger and carrots) is tasty and helps support the liver.


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I've done a few of the three day cleanses that end up with the lemon/olive oil and was amazed at the stuff that came out even after having my gallbladder removed. A doctor told me that one can still have some in the bile ducts and that stones get imbedded in the liver as well. I believe it after what I purged! Now I seem to do well with lecithin granules and Dr. D.'s Hepatiguard. And of course SWAMI... It is such a blessing to have my digestive system mostly sorted out. And oh yes...ginger helps immensely...I juice it and freeze it and thaw small amounts out for the week...add hot water and lemon and sometimes honey.
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Welcome SBGGJRP & thanks for the reminder about the beets... Darn, that is the one thing I forgot to put on my shopping list yesterday
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I need to be careful with things i use.  Aloe gels work well for me it seems, but they are recommended for A's.  Helps to take a very small amount at first to let you body get used to it.
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very little starches for me ... I don't have moody things... I am an NT... we might explode sometimes... but merely *implode* more often....
and hey btw.. while discussing such thingies for explorers... so folks please let me know your experiences with chemical bombs called allopathic medications.....
I def. can't have any kind of painkiller.....and also saw that nearly none of the antibiotics are really working for me, thats'why I use essential oils and highest dosages in phytotherapy.....
how are you actiong on those and what are you using instead of painkillers and other meds My best painkiller is still my power tube....

It is funny that you mentioned this. I just today was cleaning out our old collection of pain killers, cold medications, etc., and none of it had been used in the last ten or more years except an aspirin a few times a year! My trash can is full of pills that were not needed! Only a bottle of aspirin is left in the cabinet! Another time to marvel over the benefits of these diets! If I ever use anything for pain it is topical and only needed if I overdo something.



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My trash can is full of pills that were not needed!
Where are you going to dump them? Don't want all those nasties in the water ways??!! Some chemists have places to dispose of unwanted medication...
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Easy E... on the first page you are mentioning *energy goes to*... what kind of energy are you talkin about ...

and Spring, yup a beautiful side effect while being on the diets ... I justamente love my BTD A2B nonnie liefestyle..while once understood and integrated... no whitecoat can tell you bla's ...haaaa .....


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SBG, I'm a Teacher, but sometimes swami comes out explorer depending on health issues I put in. I do well with herbs, but find they haven't brought my liver enzymes down and have been eating beets. What serving size do you eat 1 cup?? less?
thanks, Lin


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Where are you going to dump them? Don't want all those nasties in the water ways??!! Some chemists have places to dispose of unwanted medication...

Our local municipal trash disposal doesn't have anything to do with waterways, I'm happy to say.


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[quote=1494]Easy E... on the first page you are mentioning *energy goes to*... what kind of energy are you talkin about ...

I was referring to chi like in chinese medicine.  It says when the liver is overtaxed, digestion will be slowed down and heat will rise causing things like heartburn and irritability, etc.  This really happens to me it seems like that is why when i read about it it made sense to me.
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I was referring to chi like in chinese medicine.  It says when the liver is overtaxed, digestion will be slowed down and heat will rise causing things like heartburn and irritability, etc.  This really happens to me it seems like that is why when i read about it it made sense to me.


Makes all the sense in the world to me too!


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Lin, I eat about 3/4 cup of beets about 3 or 4 times a week.
Thanks everyone for the liver cleanse suggestions.
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Easy E... I truly can feel that *liver chi* ... when angry... I'm going to feel it nicely but I also am a pitta-type in vedish words so far I always feel the heat  


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I've done a few of the three day cleanses that end up with the lemon/olive oil and was amazed at the stuff that came out even after having my gallbladder removed. A doctor told me that one can still have some in the bile ducts and that stones get imbedded in the liver as well. I believe it after what I purged! Now I seem to do well with lecithin granules and Dr. D.'s Hepatiguard. And of course SWAMI... It is such a blessing to have my digestive system mostly sorted out. And oh yes...ginger helps immensely...I juice it and freeze it and thaw small amounts out for the week...add hot water and lemon and sometimes honey.


Dr. Hulda Clarke up in Canada wrote the same thing.....showed pictures in her book "The Cure for All Diseases" that we can have hundreds of tiny stones in our livers because of the body's desire to surround clumps of diseased cells and "calcify" them to prevent further disease from progressing....I have not done this cleanse yet but will soon! The expelled stones from the bile ducts were of all odd shapes and sizes. She says expect to feel as if marbles are slowly rolling out of you.....and to do the cleanses REGULARLY....but not too closely together.

God, is the human body not FANTASTIC in its ability to cope with disease???!!!


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How do you do the cleanse?   Is it like the one in the gtd book?
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How do you do the cleanse?   Is it like the one in the gtd book?


Can't cross-reference right now as I am overloaded with work at home today, but here's Dr. Clark's advice and Cleanse:

Cleanse your liver twice a year, but EVERY 2 WEEKS TILL 1000 STONES COME OUT..
2000 STONES IF YOU HAVE ALLERGIES, BURSITIS OR UPPER BACK PAIN
If you suspect your liver has parasites, go thru a killing program before this cleanse. Do a kidney cleanse also if possible. Redo your dental work too; get all metal out. This is to avoid reloading the liver with burden of immediate toxins right after your cleanse.

4 TB epsom salts  1/2 c. olive oil   3/4 cup FRESH pink grapefruit juice
l-Ornithine caps: 4-8 of them to ensure you sleep at night "MUST HAVE" !
large plastic straw    pint jar with lid

1. Choose a time when you have a whole day off the next day in order to rest
2. No vitamins, herbs or medicines allowed
3. NO FAT BREAKFAST AND LUNCH ONLY on day of cleanse; salt allowed only (allows bile to build up for the flush)

DAY OF CLEANSE

2PM: no eating or drinking after this time. Take epsom salts and mix in 3 C. water and pour into a jar; makes 4 3/4 cup servings PUT IN FRIDGE TO GET ICE COLD

6PM: drink one serving epsom salts. get out the olive oil and grapefruit to warm to room temp.

8PM: another serving of epsom salts. DO YOUR CHORES NOW so that you can rest tomorrow; timing is critical.

9:45PM: put 1/2 cup olive oil into your pint jar and squeeze in the grapefruit, removing any pulp, resulting in at least 1/2 to 3/4 cup juice - if less top it off with unsweetened lemonade. close jar tightly and shake till emulsified.

10:00 to 10:15 PM timing is critical! Drink the oil/juice you have just made and take 4 ornithine caps with the first sips; all 8 if you already suffer from insomnia. DRINK STANDING UP ONLY - GET IT ALL DOWN IN 5 MINUTES

LIE DOWN IMMEDIATELY try to keep perfectly still for 20 minutes. There will be no pain. Go to sleep if you want.

AFTER 6am NEXT MORNING; take 3rd dose of cold epsom salts; you can go back to bed

---- expect productive diahrrea this morning and use a flashlight to look in toilet bowl for green, brown, tan stones. Count the stones.The pea green kind are from liver bile."Chaff" of cholesterol crystals, tan colored, can be floating on the water as well and its just as important as getting the stones out.  -------

8AM: take last dose of epsom salts

10 AM: you may have fruit juice
10: 30 AM you may have fruit
11AM you may have a light meal like the day before

SUPPERTIME; you should have recovered







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I agree with P.D. when he once wrote..... while following our diets strictly, no detox needed coz our bodies detox while being accomodated to our diets... so far... why should I clean out something who isn't  attaint from dirt ....


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I agree with P.D. when he once wrote..... while following our diets strictly, no detox needed coz our bodies detox while being accomodated to our diets... so far... why should I clean out something who isn't  attaint from dirt ....


I'm glad you quoted that.  I did try the Explorer detox once, but I never felt anything really happened.  I was like...is this all there is?    I have been concentrating on my swami diamonds, and I'm hoping that is naturally detoxing my liver as I go, and not re-toxing is probably a good idea, though I do eat some things I shouldn't sometimes.  
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be all aware about resonances... if we think that we are....your body will react to it... especially the O'bodies... this might cause stress-responses...inutile stress responses; we've to be also aware about compulsive mechanismes, no worth to
underline such behaviour ....

mankind is very creative but our minds somehow tricky....so far we mustn't think that we always have to... interact to,,,, etc.... ther's a beautiful inner wisdom in all of us...


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Yes, or as I like to say, Amazone, "a watched pot never boils."  
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I agree with P.D. when he once wrote..... while following our diets strictly, no detox needed coz our bodies detox while being accomodated to our diets... so far... why should I clean out something who isn't  attaint from dirt ....


Ok....but the above recipie was for flushing out gallstones from the liver....can you imagine how long it will take for gallstones to break down  from their calcified state...containing tiny nucleuses of dead diseased cells.....and then your liver and kidneys having to somehow get rid of it? Considering my past record of bulimia as my body was trying to rid itself of toxins...I would opt for a flush every now and then!


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Well, I'm sure it doesn't hurt, Seraffa.  It's a gentle cleanse, just a bit messy with the cod liver oil pack all night and the heating pad.  
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It's a gentle cleanse, just a bit messy with the cod liver oil pack all night and the heating pad.  

Dr. D's Explorer cleanse recommends castor oil...


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Dr. D's Explorer cleanse recommends castor oil...


Yes, thank you!  That's what I meant.  
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Just a word of caution regarding parasite cleansing. Dr. D. cautions about it but I can't find the thread. I was considering it years ago but my intuition told me otherwise. I had done other cleanses for the liver and those are intense enough that I did not want to do one if it was not necessary. When I saw a TCM doctor, I asked him if I had parasites, he had me look up and down while examining my eyes and said no. That was good enough for me.

I believe Dr. D'Adamo said if you do one and don't need it, it can really mess up your insides!
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error....no gallstones but livercleanse are two different thingies ...

as once mentioned... explorers have tendencies also to heavy emotional outbursts....


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I currently take DGL and was thinking about taking milk thistle...any suggestions as to if I should take them together and should I take them at night or in the mornings? Also I was told to take the milk thistle for one month then stop for 3 months and do it again for a month…any comments on this?


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