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Patty H
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I have been skimming through Live Right For Your Type recently, and have realized that is it a veritable wealth of information on diet and exercise with wonderful tips for each blood type.  Although I am following the GTD, I plan to reread LR4YT as I feel it will enhance and inform my GTD experience.

I was interested to read that Dr. D says for O's to
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Limit your intake of beans, as they are not a particularly good protein source for Type Os.


I checked my SWAMI from Dr. Nash and while I have several nuts as diamonds and superfoods, I have very few beans and legumes.  Black beans are the only diamond on the list.  Adzuki, black eyed peas and great northern beans are the only hard type beans that are superfoods.  I do have Lima beans, peas and string and snap beans on there as superfoods, but they are fast cooking type beans.  Am I correct in assuming that great northern beans can be dried or green?

I only get four servings a week which also includes nuts and nut butters.  Usually I do not eat all four servings and if I do it would be either nuts, which I carry in my car for those times when I get really hungry and am away from home, or nut butter on a banana or compliant bread as a treat.

I decided to post this thread because I have seen a lot of O's recommending beans to other O's and some of my O friends have asked me about beans and legumes.  I am not much of a bean/legume fan myself.  Unless I make chili, I never cook with or serve dried beans, except for the fresh type beans like string or snap beans.  While I understand that beans can be a good, economical protein source, albeit an incomplete protein, how beneficial are they for O's?


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From what I'm reading, I think more of the point is when it comes to recommended legumes is how it effects the carbohydrate ratio of your diet. But this is more of a guess right now at this point of my learning curve with this diet discipline.


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I have only recently discovered, via SWAMI and the GTD what a HUGE superfood black beans are for me.  As long as I severely limit all other forms of starch, which has been surprisingly easy for me as long as I eat black beans or butter beans daily, I think that adding black diamond and bennie beans and legumes into my diet has been one of the keys to my success in losing weight and is staying on track.

I wasn't sure what my portions/ frequencies were.  This group includes nuts, nut butters and legumes and says 5 portions per week.  I have to say though, that since I don't eat other starches (which SWAMI gives me as 2 daily, I use the nuts and legumes as substitute.  I have to say that eat a LOT of this group.  I use nuts as a substitute for chips or whenever I'm hungry, and I eat beans every single day at breakfast if I possibly can, as it sets me up for success in my day.

I never liked beans or legumes much and I always believed that they made me fat...but here's the trick:  don't eat them combined with any other starch.  I always ate beans and rice together because they make a complete protein and I ALWAYS gained weight from them.  I have now found out that it was the RICE that was making me gain weight when combined with the beans, not the beans alone.

Black beans, in particular, seem to really work for me.  A helping of refried black beans (refrying them makes a difference with me) at breakfast almost always staves off starch and/ or sugar cravings.

So, that's what works for ME!  Not sure if it works for every Gatherer Type O, though.


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I have some beans listed as "diamond" on my Swami.

I do not eat them very often as they don't make me feel full of energy. I'm more apt to eat seeds, quinoa and some nuts on occasion.

Vegan Joe, read up on the Fight Fatigue book. Dr. D talks about beans as not being a good energy source for O's.

I finally broke my habit of eating manna bread! Even though it's a "diamond". Now that was a feat in itself.

I've got better muscle definition now and can think better.  
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but here's the trick:  don't eat them combined with any other starch.  .


I also agree with this. This combination piles the weight on!
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Vegan Joe, read up on the Fight Fatigue book. Dr. D talks about beans as not being a good energy source for O's.

OK, Thanks! so what about my assumption of carb ratio?


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Wait! I totally forgot about carob.

I do super well with carob.
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Wait! I totally forgot about carob.

I do super well with carob.

You can let go of my leg now!




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I think the point Dr D was making is that it's best for Os to get our protein from animal sources, not vegetable sources. He's cautioning us against eating beans in place of meat for too many meals.

I've seen a lot of discussions on this forum about individuals eating beans in place of grains,as a carb  rather than a protein serving.


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I think the point Dr D was making is that it's best for Os to get our protein from animal sources, not vegetable sources. He's cautioning us against eating beans in place of meat for too many meals.

I've seen a lot of discussions on this forum about individuals eating beans in place of grains,as a carb  rather than a protein serving.


So are you saying beans are or are not a good source of protein for O's, Ruthie?  Are you saying beans should be used as a source of carbohydrate instead?

I'm sorry but I am a little confused by what you are trying to convey  


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Thanks for the tip, EquiPro! Might try bl. beans for brkfst w/eggs.

VeganJoe, I'd use a good rice/pea protein powder daily if I were vegan. Its just the protein, not the carb, so you can mix it up with fruit or whatever.
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So are you saying beans are or are not a good source of protein for O's, Ruthie?  Are you saying beans should be used as a source of carbohydrate instead?

I'm sorry but I am a little confused by what you are trying to convey  


I'm saying that Dr D reccomends we eat only small portions of beans, and/or not too frequently. We need animal protien.

Some individuals tweak their diets based on personal experience, not completely following Dr D'
s recomendations. One of the things some people have done is to cut out (or cut back on) grains, and replace them with servings of beans.

If you feel like tweaking your diet, and not completely follow Dr D's portion size and frequency reccomendations, you may want to give that a try. If you're comfortable following the recomended portions, then keep on doing that.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Exactly!!  I do not use beans, legumes or nuts as a substitute for protein (meat), but as a substitute for STARCH (listed as carbohydrate).  I NEVER consider myself eating protein when I eat beans, legumes or nuts, but rather as eating starch and fat.

If I were eating starches of any kind (including quinoa, which my body perceives and handles as "starch"), I could NOT eat as much of the beans and nuts as I am...I would probably gain weight quickly.  But since I'm not eating starch outside of the beans and legumes (about 90% compliant on that on a day-in, day-out basis), they are my starch and they REALLY keep me satiated, full and away from other starches.

I noticed that black and butter beans do this very well, peas not so much (I think they are too sweet and sort of stimulate my appetite).

I ALWAYS eat these legumes with meat protein, btw.  I never eat them alone.


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I couldn't agree more EquiPro!
I too recently discovered the beauty of black and garbonzo. I make my own Mexican hummus with the beans, olive oil, cilantro, lime, coriander, cumin and pepper flakes. Then I put a dollup on my lettuce wrap with a slice of turkey, and more cilantro (lol) and there's my breakfast. 1st time in a long time I can go for awhile without feeling hungry. Afternoon snack is a little nut butter and celery or walnuts and a bit of fruit, again, very satifying. THAT is my only starch too and I only need about a tablespoon, certainly within my guidelines.


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I eat green beans and peas as vegetables, just like broccoli or kale.. and they seem to go down the same.  However, legit beans destroy me!  And everyone else in the household.. lol


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I'm saying that Dr D reccomends we eat only small portions of beans, and/or not too frequently. We need animal protien.

Some individuals tweak their diets based on personal experience, not completely following Dr D'
s recomendations. One of the things some people have done is to cut out (or cut back on) grains, and replace them with servings of beans.

If you feel like tweaking your diet, and not completely follow Dr D's portion size and frequency reccomendations, you may want to give that a try. If you're comfortable following the recomended portions, then keep on doing that.


Thank you for that explanation, Ruthie.  I understand what you are saying now.  So I get one serving of carbs per day.  What you are saying is that I can use my beans in place of compliant bread, rice, quinoa, etc.

I rarely eat carbs at all.  This has helped me to keep my weight in check for the last 25+ years.  Maybe one or twice a week . . . and it is usually rice when I go out to dinner.  I guess I like rice more than beans but maybe if I am at a Mexican restaurant I can switch the beans for the rice.  I do like black beans!


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I couldn't agree more EquiPro!
I too recently discovered the beauty of black and garbonzo. I make my own Mexican hummus with the beans, olive oil, cilantro, lime, coriander, cumin and pepper flakes. Then I put a dollup on my lettuce wrap with a slice of turkey, and more cilantro (lol) and there's my breakfast. 1st time in a long time I can go for awhile without feeling hungry. Afternoon snack is a little nut butter and celery or walnuts and a bit of fruit, again, very satifying. THAT is my only starch too and I only need about a tablespoon, certainly within my guidelines.


EquiPro and Mother, it sounds like you two are onto something here.  How do you cook your black beans - I don't mean what do you add, as Mother has provided this, but just the basic of cooking black beans?  I have never made them from scratch.  

I am not hungry all the time as many Hunters are, but I only eat two meals a day and like my brunch/lunch to carry me through dinner.  Maybe black beans would be a good choice for me once in a while?  

As an added benefit, I am a non-secretor and can add tomatoes to Mother's mix  


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I'm lazy....I use canned black beans.  I know, I know they're more expensive, dried beans are so easy to cook, etc., etc....

But I eat them every morning, so using canned makes it easy for me.

I saute' some fresh, chopped onions in olive oil and I add in curry powder, cumin, cinnamon, and garlic powder (another cheat).  After the onions get a bit soft, I throw in the can or two of black beans with the liquid and continue to let it cook down a bit.  I then take a fork or a masher  and mash them up while they cook in the pan.  They get thick then and they're ready!  I LOVE my curried black beans and onions with saute'd ground turkey (also cooked with the curry spices) and a salad with olive oil,fresh lime juice (a geno-super combo for me) and sea salt!  One can of black beans makes enough for 3-4 days for me.

BEWARE!!!!    No matter what I do, my curried, refried black beans look EXACTLY like baby poop...one of the reasons it's best to put them at the BOTTOM of your plate under other stuff.  


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I soak them overnight, then drain and rinse, and put them back in the crock pot. Then I add a small piece of kombu seaweed and fill up the crockpot  with filtered water and cook on high- usually overnight, but sometimes all day if I start them in the morning. Then I drain and rinse again, and freeze in small portions.


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just the basic of cooking black beans?  I have never made them from scratch.

The easiest way I know of to cook them is to pressure them @ 10lbs. pressure with double the amount of water for 30-45 minutes.  You can use a pressure pan for a small quantity.

I can my own beans, as I do the cooking and preserving in one step.  I use pint jars, put 1/2 cup beans in each jar, fill with water, fill pressure cooker with jars and add an inch or two of water to the bottom of the canner.  Bring the canner to pressure for 30 minutes, shut off and let cool.  Once cool, I take the jars out, wash the outside and put in the pantry.  When we want beans, open a jar and use!

If you want to use a standard pan, Put the beans you want to cook in the pan with double the amount of water.  Bring to a boil for about 5 minutes, then turn off and let soak for 1 hour.  Turn the heat back on and bring to boil again, and turn down heat to simmer until the beans are done to the consistency you like...  This usually takes 2-3 hours...

Some people change water and /or rinse the beans between the soak and cook, but I never have...  

If flatulence is a problem, add some ginger (1/2 to 1 teaspoon per serving) to the beans.


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IF I get dried, I do the same as Ruthie but I too buy canned a lot. I get Edens organic and they are cooked in kombu, no salt added and in a bisphenol-A free can. Good enough for me. Yup, I add onions too but I'm gonna have to try EquiPros recipe. I use them more in condiment quantities.


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I too recently discovered the beauty of black and garbonzo. I make my own Mexican hummus with the beans, olive oil, cilantro, lime, coriander, cumin and pepper flakes. Then I put a dollup on my lettuce wrap with a slice of turkey, and more cilantro (lol) and there's my breakfast. 1st time in a long time I can go for awhile without feeling hungry.  


That sounds great! I'm a Hunter too. I'm going to try that. My carb cravings just aren't being satisfied. Perhaps the bean and protein combo is my answer.
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Hey, Sooks!  Yea, give my "bean and carbs for breakfast" a try.  Don't skimp on the oil!  Fat satiates!  I've just taken off 45 pounds with almost no food struggles, and I'm convinced it's because of adding in extra fat.  Also, I notice that I really need the salad part early in the day, too.  I think that is because I'm always really hungry AND thirsty when I wake up and the salad adds bulk and water into my stomach, which it uses.

Eating the beans and protein in the morning, literally, staves off the cravings during the day.  If I feel at all hungry around 11 or 12, I eat nuts until I am able to get to lunch, which is usually around 2 for me.  I eat a BIG lunch, making sure to get protein, veggies and fruit in, and then I eat a very light supper.

I snack on nuts and fruit for the most part.

Give it a try and let us know if it helps!


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Me too EuiPro!  
I forgot to say I add onions to the hummus as well as top my wrap. I also love the lettuce (salad) thing in the morning. I don't always have 'carb' cravings but incesent hunger and this completely takes that away. I too with the nuts or nut butters and fruit for snack but again, I only need a small amount. I stuggled with the last 5 #'s for about 2 years and I lost 10 in the last 8 weeks by doing this. My blood sugar is back to normal and hopefully my cholesterol too after cutting back on red meat. I have so much steady energy too. I haven't felt this good in a year. I just hope the scale stops moving now as my cloths are getting too big!

Sooks, I don't know the portion EquiPro uses but I really only use a condiment size of beans ( 1 TBS) on my wrap and I do add a touch of my spicy mayo for the fat too!


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