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Patty H
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I have been on the GT1/BTD now since October.  I feel great, my weight is great.  I haven't had blood tests in a while.  I am trying to get my LDL and total cholesterol down and my C-Reactive Protein Cardio down.

I was looking at my food lists, particularly the black dots.  Some of the black dots I really like on my diet are, bluefish, catfish, mussels, Havarti cheese, Kefir, cabbage, MUSHROOMS!!!   , vanilla, nutmeg, honey, stevia and occasionally, distilled liquor.

I am wondering if other folks on this forum consume black dots, either occasionally or frequently.  Do most of you treat them as total avoids?  I do not have stomach or digestive issues.  I am on the diet to try and beat my family history of heart disease.

Also, there is one avoid on my diet that I really don't understand why it is an avoid - Strawberries.    I LOVE strawberries.  It seems like this would have been a food that a hunter would have found in the wild.  I live in an area where they are grown locally.  Are they considered acidic for O's?  Is it mold?  Summertime and strawberries go hand in hand in my neck of the woods.  I will check the food typebase, but any info to enlighten me would be greatly appreciated.


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You may want to keep holding off on black dots until you have blood work done and see where you stand health-wise.  Since you have no major digestive issues and have been on the diet since October you could probably add some black dots back in - the key is remembering that they are black dots and consuming them in moderation, not letting yourself go crazy

If you have bloodwork done and are still not where you want to be, I would continue to treat black dots as avoids.  If you find that your bloodwork is where you want it, you could readd black dots to your diet (in moderation).  If, after more bloodwork, things have changed for the worse, just take the black dots back out.

And, as always, listen to your body


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Since I am still in the detox / healing phase, I consider black dots and full avoids the same.  The only time I partake is when I am eating out and there is no way to avoid them.

I still eat mostly food from the Superfoods column of my SWAMI.  Most of my favorite foods are there, so it makes it easy for me to have really great meals all of the time.

Typebase shows a lectin in strawberry, but doesn't provide any additional information.  I can't provide any additional information to help you.


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those are entirely up to you, to monitor accordingly......you are your best guide


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I agree with what has already been said.  I do not have a SWAMI per se but go with the book.  I'm off kefir for the summer, have never moderately consumed; its something I would want daily. I did pick up some Ezekiel bread yesterday for weekend breakfast, would seem sad without.   If you want a few strawberries I think you should go ahead.  Summer only lasts a few months. You could also eliminate the worse offender which imo would be the kefir.  
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I treat black dots as an occasional treat. A few of them I have noticeable reactions ( I figured catfish out pre BT) but a few cherries or raspberries once in awhile isn't hurting me. I've had a few chocolate covered strawberries and no problem. I don't eat black dots everyday and a don't eat alot of them when I do. Like garlic? really? I'm comfortable eating a bit of them as long as it's not a black dot everyday of some food or another. They're a double-edged sword to me, I can't fully enjoy them knowing their status but as human nature goes, we always want what we can't have. I like lots of other foods just as much but sometimes I just gotta have it anyway. As long as it's not the biggies, I'm OK with that.


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If you decide to eat strawberries, please remember that they can be heavily saturated with pesticides, unless you are buying organic.

And when introducing black dots, continue to pay close attention to any changes in your body that might be signals to you that you are losing progress in any way.



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This is all really great advice.  Thank you so much!  I don't plan on making the black dots as a regular food I consume, but more of an occasional treat.  That way I can appreciate them more when I have them.

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Typebase shows a lectin in strawberry, but doesn't provide any additional information.  I can't provide any additional information to help you.


I checked this too, but there was not extensive information on what the lectin is.  Also, strawberries are only and avoid for O non-secretors, similar to apples, so I would love to know what it is that makes them bad for me.

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those are entirely up to you, to monitor accordingly......you are your best guide


Lola, do you know what it is about strawberries that make them bad for O non-secretors only?  I know that you are an O nonnie too, so maybe you have done some research?

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I treat black dots as an occasional treat. A few of them I have noticeable reactions ( I figured catfish out pre BT) but a few cherries or raspberries once in awhile isn't hurting me. I've had a few chocolate covered strawberries and no problem. I don't eat black dots everyday and a don't eat alot of them when I do. Like garlic? really? I'm comfortable eating a bit of them as long as it's not a black dot everyday of some food or another. They're a double-edged sword to me, I can't fully enjoy them knowing their status but as human nature goes, we always want what we can't have. I like lots of other foods just as much but sometimes I just gotta have it anyway. As long as it's not the biggies, I'm OK with that.


This is really good advice.  Everything in moderation!  Also, the guilt you feel eating them will keep you from consuming too much  

Thank you so much everyone.  If anyone has more ideas on strawberries and why they are an avoid for O nonnies, I would be grateful for the info.


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Also, strawberries are only and avoid for O non-secretors, similar to apples, so I would love to know what it is that makes them bad for me.


complex indeed to those not biomolecularily versed.....this might help sort out your dilemma
    * GT1 Epigenotoxin (Hemmaglutinating Lectin)
    * GT1 Epigenotoxin (Rutin Phenolics)
    * GT1 Epigenotoxin (High Salicylic Acid concentration)
    * GT1 Epigenotoxin (Lectin)
    * GT1 Epigenotoxin (Malvin Phenolics)
    * Blood Group O Non secretor Immunotoxin (reactive polysaccharide)
    * GT1 Epigenotoxin (Glycotoxin)
    * Physician Restricted Component (Hemmaglutinating Lectin) •

What is the determinant for 'typing' foods?
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-GTDdiet/m-1202698596/

after you read this, like me, I simply leave it up to Dr D when it comes to typing my food choices!!!!  


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and for apples
    * GT1 Epigenotoxin (Hemmaglutinating Lectin)
    * GT1 Epigenotoxin (Rutin Phenolics)
    * GT1 Epigenotoxin (Lectin)
    * GT1 Epigenotoxin (High Gallic acid concentration)
    * GT1 Epigenotoxin (Malvin Phenolics)
    * Blood Group O Non secretor Immunotoxin (reactive polysaccharide)
    * GT1 Epigenotoxin (Coumarin Phenolics)
    * GT1 Epigenotoxin (Glycotoxin)
    * Physician Restricted Component (Hemmaglutinating Lectin) •


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funny, I just validated someone named strawberry!!!! talk about coincidence!!!


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I would like to say I dont cheat but when I am out I do..

having said that, ther are sometimes black dots in there no doubt about it..

when I eat out, I pay a price and am not sure why I eat, but it all looks so delish .. or I am hungry..

BUT in on ideal world, and having achieved near perfect status blood wise I would be 1) be proud of my body like nothing else in life..!

2) I woud, like mentioned above, take that blod test and see IF ANY of the heart related items is still in there, since in your family you have that issue.. for me its diabetes.. my sis cancer..  for you heart.. so look at what you wish to reduce and get away from, ....

If then a lectin is affecting exactly the inner blood vessels.. then I would keep that black dot to twice a year.. like thanksgiving, and some other day during the year when it is just not possible to avoid it.. like the stawberryfest.. but adding the choc might be a good idea.. espcially if the choc is dark.. and keeping it to a minimum is also a consideration..=  like thanksgiving- sis cooks 35 items all delish.. I take a tablespoon of turkey and the same from all else and by the time I ate all then I am stuffed.. and the day after I detox with compliant food!..  

BUT as for fish, I would look at what kind of fish.. if it comes from a bottom feeder I would not eat it, since you have many other choices.. bottomfeeders eat all tha cr.p that comes from above, stuff that only those fish can digest.. they are bottom feeders for a reason.. they stay below and you ought to leave them there to do their job..

then also big old fish full of mercury and stuff.. why force it when there are better fish.. YET when viviting your Creole unkle and he makes crawfish I guess a mouthful of it would not cause a heart condition if you only go there once a year..(or it might be worth dying with crawfis in your thoat? hahah

You can tell I don't like fish??

But still: trust Dr D .. he already knows your condition better then you do, so keep on eating all but avoids and that includes black dots.. they are for once a year ... or less.. and after years of avoiding avoids, you will be surprized that they don't even taste as good as you thought.. !  



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I occasionally eat a black dot, but they are not part of my regular diet.  If I am feeling under the weather I am more careful not to consume them.  


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I think of black dots as "once in a while, in teeny tiny quantity" foods. One serving once or twice a year, or "trace amounts" a few times a month.


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The only black dots I seem to eat are in my fruit group. I have such a big selection in my superfoods and neutrals but have several black dots that I do eat when in season. I refrained from these foods for 3 months then slowly included them.
Currently I am enjoying apricots, pears and peaches(from Harry and Davids orchards in Oregon), fresh local strawberries, and cherries. All are black dots on my swami.
The only avoid I eat (when I pick them from my garden vines) are my sweet red grapes.
The black dots and avoids that give me problems are in the cheese and carbohydrate groups. I do avoid those!


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Reviewing my food list I realize I never knew soy is a black dot for Hunters.     
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Patty,
One of the issues with strawberries is their tendency to mold.....I remember reading that somewhere on the boards or in one of the books years ago.  Glad to hear how much better you are doing.
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Coffee is a black dot too- should have never picked up the first cup.  
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Harvarti cheese is a black dot for me and for the first few years I didn't have any. I bought a block recently and sorry I did. So creamy and delicious, why did I taste it?? I used to love love love cheese! Well, at least I cut it into the tiniest bits before adding to salad.


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Since your worry is your LDL. Strawberries are on the market I'd have some in moderation and I don't think they are that big an issue for LDL.(I might be wrong,and this wouldn'd be the first time)  

I'd stay away from anything the might raise the LDL.  (for me that would be coffee, and cheese)

This is of course would be after your washout period.



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Quoted from Wholefoodie
Harvarti cheese is a black dot for me and for the first few years I didn't have any. I bought a block recently and sorry I did. So creamy and delicious, why did I taste it?? I used to love love love cheese! Well, at least I cut it into the tiniest bits before adding to salad.


I ate some in February, really didn't work for me.  I stick with parmesan which is great on salads.

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Since your worry is your LDL. Strawberries are on the market I'd have some in moderation and I don't think they are that big an issue for LDL.(I might be wrong,and this wouldn'd be the first time)  

I'd stay away from anything the might raise the LDL.  (for me that would be coffee, and cheese)

This is of course would be after your washout period.



Coffee raises LDL?  Is this true?

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