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Melissa_J
Thursday, November 22, 2012, 12:43pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Some of the antibodies are pretty hard to get down, one small cross contamination incident can send those back up for months.  In theory though, yes I suppose the cross reaction could go away in time, but it may take avoiding the cross reactive foods as well as the gluten.  Candida is also cross-reactive, so that one can be hard to completely get rid of since you don't have to eat it to have it.

My sensitivity to cross reactive foods, like milk, has gone down in time, though.  Intrinsa seemed to really help with that.  It caused me some digestive distress at first, but I reduced my dose and stuck with it until I could tolerate more of it.


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On the bright side, it would take quite a while to list all the benefits of green tea, some especially helpful for celiacs.  Doesn't have the caffeine punch coffee does, but does have some and never makes me jittery.   For coffee withdrawal, I'd find a potent matcha powder as that has more caffeine than brewed green tea.


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Glutenismyenemy   -   very interesting about   Coffee & Gluten.

I think this is another piece for my personal health puzzle - so I want to be sure I understand it correctly---

Even if I am working hard to eliminate gluten my body is still looking for gluten to attack.  (Antibodies)
And 10% of someting in  coffee can look like gluten = causing a reaction.  Ouch!

This will make it easier to avoid coffee and relieve some misery.

Quoted from video:
"[i]Coffee cross-reacts with gluten antibodies.
Let me tell you what that means...
When you have a gluten problem you make antibodies to it. Antibodies are like little strobe lights that your immune system makes for a specific invader.
So you put out these strobe lights for gluten, right? And they attach to a gluten molecule and they sit there and they flash so that your T cells --your SWAT team-- can come in and kill the gluten.
Gluten antibodies - those little strobe lights - can attach to other foods that are not gluten.
Your immune system thinks those non-gluten things ARE gluten ---and you can still have a gluten response.
The most common cross-reactor is coffee.
Now before you freak out and send me videos and e-mails saying, "Oh, how could coffee do that?"
Ten percent of coffee is a protein that cross-reacts with gluten antibodies.[/i]"
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So does that mean that if 90% of coffee does not react with gluten anti-bodies, a person could find a particular type of coffee that they can drink with minimal impact?  

Not planning on it. Just wondering.




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Quoted from Glutenismyenemy
Ok, I just dug this up, and it makes no sense. He's saying it cross-reacts with antibodies.

http://drclark.typepad.com/dr_david_clark/2011/09/coffee-and-gluten-sensitivity-surprising-news.html

But if you're not eating gluten, then you shouldn't have antibodies. Celiacs are monitored for conformity to the diet by checking antibody levels. They go away when the gluten goes away.

Problem solved?


That isn't exactly true.

Let us say you are a celiac who has been off wheat for a year, but let us also say you are sensitive to corn. Your body makes antibodies against corn, but you don't have a response known as an allergy (friendly fire, too much of a response). Well when you eat corn your body not only produces antibodies against the corn, but also against wheat. The numbers may be lower, but it still happens. The best approach is to eliminate anything your body likes to make antibodies against (which the BTD/GTD/SWAMI takes care of for most people), to reduce the overall production. If overall production is down, you may not get a response when ingesting anything even though your immune system is silently dispatching the offenders.

*A possible complication: if your intestinal balance is off, your body may be producing extra antibodies against everything. This is why a BTD compliant Type O that doesn't eat meat, may still find themselves having allergic reactions to the slightest bit of something that is an offending item (say corn, wheat, etc).
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I think all coffee has the protein in it, it just makes up 10% of the coffee.

Good gluten free coffee substitutes are probably a better plan, like Raja's cup.  Brewed cocoa beans are good.  Roasted twig tea is a favorite too, is it called kukicha?  It's been a while since I had it but it was good.  Yerba mate is another option.  

Now I'm craving twig tea...  


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Amazing!  I think I need to talk with my naturopath, who mostly does acupuncture and TCM. She does not see the cross-reactor issue. She thinks a bit of coffee is OK.  

I stopped coffee 2 months ago.  IBS became less problematic. Adrenals still need time and attention. After a  year of being gluten free, my gliadin still tests very high.

Purlgirl and DoS, thank you for shedding light.




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