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Molossus
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Hi Guys,

after some tests, I've discovered to be a A+ Teacher. I want to heal my IBS, so I'm following the GTD strictly for 1 week.

Since I've started the GTD my IBS seems to have worsened. I have 2 big problems:

1) I have chronic diarrhea (at least 2-3 times a day, usually concentrated in the early morning with almost liquid stools).  

2) After the evacuations in the early morning I feel better for some hours. Then, from mid afternoon (or just after lunch) till the end of the day my bowel starts to spin more and more wildly causing me severe bloating, flatulence and, obviously, discomfort.

I take symbiotic for 2 months, but I believe that symbiotic are not the problem.

It's really a critical moment for me, I can not live a normal life with these problems and I don't know if it's right to continue with the diet.

I hope that you can help me.

Thanks  
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Want to list what you are eating? Is it any worse after a particular food?
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No worse after a particular food.

I eat only the recommended food list in the Teacher diet in the GTD book.

Following you find a list of the foods that I usually eat:
emmer, kamut, brown rice, oatmeal, cod, tuna, salmon, turkey, eggs, Parmesan, olive oil, nuts, peas, beans, onions, carrots, endive, honey, jam, pineapple, kiwi, lemon, melon, nectarine, blueberries...these are the main ones.

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"olive oil, (some) nuts, peas, (some) beans, onions, carrots, honey, jam, pineapple, kiwi, lemon, melon, nectarine, blueberries..." are all high in salicylates, which can cause bowel (or skin) problems in some people...Brown rice can also cause problems that way too You could try googling salicylates & see if anything makes sense in that regard to you
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Hi Guys,

after some tests, I've discovered to be a A+ Teacher. I want to heal my IBS, so I'm following the GTD strictly for 1 week.
symbiotic for 2 months


why just one week? Undoing years of abuse takes way longer then this.
Your gut flora needs some work.

You will need some supplements to rebuild your flora.

What is symbiotic? if it is not polyflora A I suspect it may not make your GI tract better.



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Have you looked into different bowel conditions?  I do not believe that there is actually "IBS"; it is just symptoms stemming from something that doctors can't find   The cause can be different for different people.  Possom already suggested salicylates; there is also SIBO, fructose malabsorption, gluten sensitivity, histamine intolerance...

Chronic diarrhea is obviously caused by something - most likely either a bacterial issue, food intolerance, or both.  Research, research, research   You need to find the answer so that you can get your life back.  Trust me - I completely understand not having a "normal life" because of "IBS", but I am slowly but surely piecing it all together and improving along the way.  The most important thing is to find the source; you can't fix it if you don't know what's broke


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I bought SWAMI some days ago, I'm still waiting for it to arrive.

I'm following the diet for 1 week, because I read the GTD book 2 weeks ago! So I'm only at the beginning of the way.
Anyway, I had no abuse in the last 6-7 years. I did several diets to try to heal my IBS. I'm really tired to follow diets with no results. The GTD will be my last diet. If it works I'll follow it totally, if not, well, I will return to eat any food I like and hope to feel better. If not, I will start to dig my grave  

Symbiotic are a mix of probiotics and prebiotics. They should be really effective, but till now, as always, I see no good results.

Polyflora could be better.

I think that reactions of my body and my guts to this diet are not normal. Too much pain and digestive problems, there is something wrong, but I don't know what.

Sure, my bowel is really stressed after months of diets and pain. I need more stability and better health.  
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Have you looked into different bowel conditions?  I do not believe that there is actually "IBS"; it is just symptoms stemming from something that doctors can't find   The cause can be different for different people.  Possom already suggested salicylates; there is also SIBO, fructose malabsorption, gluten sensitivity, histamine intolerance...

Chronic diarrhea is obviously caused by something - most likely either a bacterial issue, food intolerance, or both.  Research, research, research   You need to find the answer so that you can get your life back.  Trust me - I completely understand not having a "normal life" because of "IBS", but I am slowly but surely piecing it all together and improving along the way.  The most important thing is to find the source; you can't fix it if you don't know what's broke


Yes, IBS is only a medical definition to explain what doctors are not able to decipher.
The body is a complex machine, and the IBS, in my opinion, is the final symptom of a complex problem which involves body, mind, nerves and spirit.
Anyway even if the diet is only a part of the whole picture, it should, at least, improve the situation and not worse it.
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Quoted from Molossus

Anyway even if the diet is only a part of the whole picture, it should, at least, improve the situation and not worse it.


That's only true to an extent.  If, for example, the problem is food related (grain intolerance, fructose malabsorption, salycilates, etc.) BTD alone is not going to address that and continuing to eat foods high in the intolerable substance, even if those foods are considered beneficials, will just allow your symptoms to continue.  BTD is a great place to start and a wonderful lifestyle and way of looking at nutrition, but you still need to figure out what has caused/is causing your symptoms.  As I said, you can't fix it if you don't know what's broken.  I love the example:  if you have a headache because you keep banging your head against a wall, should you take Asprin or stop banging your head against the wall?  You need to find "your wall" so that you can stop banging against it.


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The diarrhea could be caused by many things.  Some of these depend on what your diet looked like prior to the GTD.  
For instance, if you were eating very little fiber prior but have now added significant amounts, it will take time for the gut flora to adapt.  

If the symbiotic you are taking has avoids or is a bacteria for another type, it could be fighting with the "good" foods you are eating.

It is possible that the good foods you are eating are powering your body to dispose of junk and it is doing it rather loudly.

Most likely, it is a combination of these (and probably more).  As you say, the body is a very complex device, so determining all of the factors may be very difficult.


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Rome wasn t built in a day....
healing gets worse, before it gets better
the more fixing you need the longer it takes, yet compliance and applying the right protocols is key

use all Dr D has made available to you in terms of protocols and digestive formulas

address the lectin damage asap


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One week is not long enough to determine if ERFYT is going to work for anyone.
If you are taking a pre and probiotic not designed for Blood Type A, you are most likely going to have digestive issues.

Stay the course, this is a lifestyle not a "diet."


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The wrong pre and probiotics can definately throw things off. Maybe try stopping them for a week to test.


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Thank you guys! Great support!

After some research I think that I will stop the symbiotic therapy. I've read that it contains mainly lactose 1 and I am lactose intolerant!
Could it be the reason of my problems? What do you think?

Can you recommend me the right Dr.D products to heal my bowel and digestive system?
I am A+ Teacher.

Maybe the symbiotic therapy has destroyed my digestive system which was already stressed by IBS.
It seems strange to me that eating so healty (the diet of the Teacher is really light and healty) can cause such big earthquake in the digestive system. The cause should be elsewhere.
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Crowd out the bad gut bacteria with good ones. Polyflora A, gastro D, intrinsia, live cell, deflect...

It might not feel so good as you kill off the bad stuff.


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avoiding the wrong supplements is just as important as avoiding the wrong foods. Glad you figured it out


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Andrea is wise.


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Quoted from Mother
avoiding the wrong supplements is just as important as avoiding the wrong foods. Glad you figured it out
Especially if you are lactose intolerant & they are lactose based?!

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I've read that it contains mainly lactose 1 and I am lactose intolerant!
Could it be the reason of my problems? What do you think?



You can not reduce it to one thing like lactose. It is not that simple gut flora is key to your health and yours is out of whack, getting it back into proper balance will take some work.

Like Lola said you may feel worse before you feel better.

http://journals.lww.com/co-gas.....itable_bowel.15.aspx



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Ok,
I am wondering...there are genotype formulas, blood type formulas and formulas for digestion...there are a lot of products. What are the best for my situation?

Genotype Formulas:

Teacher Activator
Teacher Catalist
Flaxeed Oil Formula
Exacta (multivitamin)
Multimineral

Blood Type Formulas:

Polyvite A
Phytocal A
Polyflora A
Deflect A
Live Cell A

Digestion Formulas:

Intrinsa
Gastro D Complex
Carob Extract
Bromelain
Ara Plus
Ara 6
Hepatiguard

What is the correct protocol for me?
I hope there is no need to take tons of pills...

Thanks  
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Andrea mentions what you need to look at above.

My initial protocol included Gastro D and Poly A. Gastro D has a clay component that I found a tad constipating but I just adjusted the amount.

I found getting my beneficial veggies in a green smoothie very healing. You can search "green smoothie" on this site and get all kinds of ideas. I was working from a SWAMI, which was dialed in for me. Gentle fiber seemed to give me the perfect stool consistency while healing my gut.

I also really liked ghee. You may look at Intrinsa, as Andrea said, as it is formulated to have the same benefits, but also has a cofactor to make it work effectively and I don't know about ghee itself and loose stools.

I like Deflect and Live Cell as well, though I didn't use in the initial stages--they are wonderful.

Best to you. .


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May be you do not need any supplements at this stage. The symtoms, assuming they are part of the healing process, are likely to go in maximum another  few more days. Why not wait and see, and tolerate the symptoms for a few days more?



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I would like to tolerate...but I'm not living...it's an horrible situation, I need to feel better as soon as possible. Anyway, I'll try to tolerate the symptoms for a few more days as you say, Kumar.  

I've got my Swami Xpress today. I've already produce my personlized diet.

I am 43% Teacher and the diet is much larger than the one of the book GTD! I'm really happy!
I have many more superfoods in my diet, especially Wheat, White Flour, Gluten that means PASTA! moreover many more fruits, and many foods which are in the neutral list now (i.e. Basmati Rise which I love, or chicken)

I've not found farmed salmons....do you know if it's the same of the other salmons? In the italian book I can eat all wild salmons, but not farmed salmons...it's weird...

I've tried to do some variations on the Swami. I'not sure of the Upper/Lower leg ratio (but probably upper leg is longer), so I've tried all 3 different options...with lower leg longer I result 42% warrior...that's weird...do you that I should follow only the teacher/swami diet and not consider the warrior option?

In the GTD book I was a Teacher in the test to check the strength of the genotypes.

Thanks also to Andrea, Akart and others for the suggestions
I think that I could certainly start with Polyflora A. For the other products I'll try to check more deeply their function in the next days.
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I've tried to do some variations on the Swami. I'not sure of the Upper/Lower leg ratio (but probably upper leg is longer), so I've tried all 3 different options...with lower leg longer I result 42% warrior...that's weird...do you that I should follow only the teacher/swami diet and not consider the warrior option?

The best answer is to have someone help you.  Have them read the book (or watch the videos) to make sure they get the measurements correct...

Even if you aren't able to verify correct leg ratio measurement, most of the diet will be reasonably accurate based on all of the other information you entered...


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