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schmoe5
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The dairy avoids list for Nomads includes casein. As far as I know all dairy has the casein protein. So I'm wondering how the dairy superfoods can be recommended.

I'm new to the forums by the way. Hello to everyone!
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I too have wondered the very same thing.  

I think I am a Nomad, but I am waiting for my swami to come in so I can know for sure. I was boarder line Explorer/Nomad.


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I too have wondered the very same thing.  .


Ah. Hmm. Do you eat any dairy products?
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ALL THE TIME. Atleast two times a day. If I am a Nomad, and can not have dairy, I think I will FREAK! I have followed the BT diet for two years, and got really lean, eating tons of LF dairy.

Now trying the Genotype to be more streamlined and got pretty confused. I was one point away from Explorer/Nomad. And one can have dairy, the other one cant!

What is your blood type???


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Being borderline like that I can understand the confusion. So you don't experience any issues with eating the dairy I guess?

My blood test results are pending. I believe I may be a B. I scored high for Nomad (24) while my other type/choice scores were 0-8.
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Schmoe5, I wouldn't sweat it till your blood test comes in. Less than 20% of the population is either type B or AB and unless you are one of those 2 types you can't be a Nomad.
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I think there is a big difference in caonsuming dairy products that naturally contain casein, and eating artificial dairy products where casein is added as an ingredient.


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Being borderline like that I can understand the confusion. So you don't experience any issues with eating the dairy I guess?

My blood test results are pending. I believe I may be a B. I scored high for Nomad (24) while my other type/choice scores were 0-8.


Most B's do great with Dairy...I did. It will be interesting to see your BT result and my GT result! Lets keep in touch!


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I`m not sweating over it but I and I`m sure others would like some elaboration on these recommendations for whether it`s for a nomad or anyone. If something doesn`t make sense I don`t just tell myself and others not to sweat over it. I would say I have a high chance of being a nomad and AB/B since I scored high for nomad and my mother is AB.
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Nadizzle I would like to hear the conclusion of your type when it comes. Ill keep you updated on my BT. Good to hear about you and no problems with dairy too.
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important and conclusive of your GT are the advanced calculator tables in the back of your book......no use being worried over a given GT you scored high for is you still do not know your BT.

one thing after another.......walk, don t run!!


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important and conclusive of your GT are the advanced calculator tables in the back of your book......no use being worried over a given GT you scored high for is you still do not know your BT.

one thing after another.......walk, don t run!!


I`ve already stated how it`s not about what type I am or what anyone is. It`s about information making sense & clarification /elaboration. It doesn`t matter what type of anything I am. We are talking about the redundent recommendations people! You can`t avoid something and eat it at the same time. Again, I am not worried or sweating over my type.
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you are truly giving all a different impression

casein is listed in the GT system

check out this public swami, to give you an idea of what a personalized swami report actually looks like, with neutrals included
http://www.dadamo.com/SWAMI%20GenoType%20__%20Jane%20Public.pdf

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We are talking about the redundent recommendations people!


wrong!
we are faced here with individualized nutrigenomics!
linger around and learn!


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I have a high chance of being a nomad and AB/B since I scored high for nomad and my mother is AB.


If you knew your dad s BT, the guessing would be less

you could also end up being an A  


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you are truly giving all a different impression

casein is listed in the GT system

check out this public swami, to give you an idea of what a personalized swami report actually looks like, with neutrals included
http://www.dadamo.com/SWAMI%20GenoType%20__%20Jane%20Public.pdf



wrong!
we are faced here with individualized nutrigenomics!
linger around and learn!

Yes casein is in the GT system. It could be in either system it doesnt matter because the point is about the contridictory items being both good and bad and no explanation to make sense of it. I cant open that link on my phone but I will check it out next time Im on a computer. Yes I understand that its individualized. That doesnt mean there arent contridictions.
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read
http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/newbie/1.htm
specially lesson 10 on non secretors


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Yes casein is in the GT system. It could be in either system it doesnt matter because the point is about the contridictory items being both good and bad and no explanation to make sense of it. I cant open that link on my phone but I will check it out next time Im on a computer. Yes I understand that its individualized. That doesnt mean there arent contridictions.


Maybe I was not clear enough in my reply above.

The rating for casein is for casein as a separate ingredient in a product not for the protein that naturally occurs in milk as it comes from a cow.

The rating applies to Calcium caseinate and Sodium caseinate.

To separate out the casein from the milk by adding acid to cause the protein to coagulate.

We then filter this product to separate to separate the curds from the whey.

We need a stable product for shipping so the acid casein
is reacted sodium hydroxide or calcium hydroxide.

Once we have Calcium caseinate and Sodium caseinate this product is so divorced from the product coming out of the cow's udder the USDA allows it to be added artificial creamer and still carry a label of  "nondairy" (Too bad for those with casein allergies who thought a label of nondairy made a product safe)  


This extracted casein is used to make plastics and as an ingredient in various food products.  You will find "casein" listed as ingredient in cheeses, milkshakes, coffee creamers, ice cream, processed meats, nutrition bars, soy cheeses, protein drinks,  ...

When casein, calcium caseinate, or sodium caseinate is listed as ingredient this means that the extracted form of casein was used instead of milk to create the product.

The ratings will change for a food product when casein is used as an ingredient.


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All ratings in the book and SWAMI for cheeses assume they used milk or cream as an ingredient and not casein.

This type of cheese is sometimes called "real" or "natural"

Use the ratings in the book or on SWAMI for these types of cheeses.



Cheese that has the the extracted form of casein as an ingredient is sometime called "artificial" cheese. This artificial cheese is more likely to be found in processed food products (shredded cheeses, frozen Italian foods, ...)

If casein is an avoid for you and it has been added to a food than that food is an avoid for you also.






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Similarly, "fructose" is an avoid for me, but I have many fruits and fruit juices that are neutral, beneficial,and diamonds. Honey and agave are both neutrals, and  both are high in fructose. What's an avoid for me is the processed fructose sold in "Health" food stores as a white powder and often added to various processed foods. This kind of fructose is usually made from corn.

The fructose naturally present in fruits and honey is not a problem for me.


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C_sharp,

Thank you for that info. Clear as pristeen water.

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Quoted from schmoe5
I`m not sweating over it but I and I`m sure others would like some elaboration on these recommendations for whether it`s for a nomad or anyone. If something doesn`t make sense I don`t just tell myself and others not to sweat over it. I would say I have a high chance of being a nomad and AB/B since I scored high for nomad and my mother is AB.


That makes it some what more likely. If she is AB I believe you can only be A, B, or AB. knowing your fathers blood type(and his parents) could further narrow it down but since she can only donate the A or B, O is out of it.
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I just swamied an AB
she had always thought her parents were both Os, cause her brother is in fact an O

turns out her mom is the Ao
and Dad is the Bo
together they did have her AB and the brother who got the two recessive O genes from both.......yeah, genetics is complex!!!


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I just read that when milk is cultured it breaks down the casein protein making it easier to digest.  I wonder if this is why casein can be avoid but there are cheeses we can eat?


Gluten/Casein and Yeast sensitivity.
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Lin - great deduction!

Schmoe5 (nice name by the way) - The casein comment my C sharp makes complete sense. And Lola is one of the best on here. It may "seem like there are contradictions", but there is always a scientific reason. I asked a lot of questions at first, and when I kept getting completely scientific reasoning that was beyond my understanding, but made sense to me, I quit asking questions, and just listened. If you are a B, I can understand your questions- we have an uncanny need to understand before we can comply with anything.



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Lin - great deduction!

Schmoe5 (nice name by the way) - The casein comment my C sharp makes complete sense. And Lola is one of the best on here. It may "seem like there are contradictions", but there is always a scientific reason. I asked a lot of questions at first, and when I kept getting completely scientific reasoning that was beyond my understanding, but made sense to me, I quit asking questions, and just listened. If you are a B, I can understand your questions- we have an uncanny need to understand before we can comply with anything.



That is why I bought and read Live Right for Your Type when I started. Even though the Genotype Diet came latter Live Right goes into a lots more explanation about the why. That is still my recommendation for newbies.
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Thank you C_sharp and Ruthiegirl. Your answers are more of what I was looking for and make more sense.

In my opinion the genotype diet book skimps on reasons, studies, and in depth explanations like it's more of a quick guide. As someone new to the idea and a person who doesn't just accept something because someone says so it's hard to  make sense of some things.

I'm used to eating totally fresh food, organic, always cooking at home, and being gluten free, dairy free, added sugar free, already avoiding certain foods. Being already dairy free I have not seen ingredients with added casein. So when I saw to avoid casein but knowing that it's in all dairy it didn't make sense since I didn't think of it as an additive and there were no specifics in the book.

If added casein is what's to avoid then that does make sense and I thank you very much for clearing it up.
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That is why I bought and read Live Right for Your Type when I started. Even though the Genotype Diet came latter Live Right goes into a lots more explanation about the why. That is still my recommendation for newbies.


Ah thank you. That's very helpful. I will check it out.
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yes, our allowed cheese, depending on BT/GT have to do with the process


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Are any types of Casein considered ok for B's\Nomads? Hydrolysate or Micellar or some other type? I find it really easy to add Protein Powder to meals that are lacking in Protein. I don't think I've had any problems with Whey and I'd like to try Casein for it's slower digestion benefits.
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anything hydrolized is best avoided

choose less processed whey protein


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Or Whey powder, instead of Whey Protein.  Less processed.



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