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Aimy
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A Big hello!!

My god, I've been confused in the last few months. They say reading helps the mind!!!  ... I was wondering if anyone was a Vegan or Vegetarian before reading the book, then converting once they found they were a Hunter or Gatherer?  If so, has your experiences been beneficial?

My situation is... I've always eaten meat up until 3 weeks ago after reading about the benefits of Alkaline and vegetarian diets, which has left me real confused now. The Alkaline theory claims that meat is highly acidic and would put our ph balance out of sync. So reading this, I thought I would attempt this and started eating more lentils, kidney beans, soy/quorn products etc. Within 4 days I came down with a heavy cold but just thought it was just a coincidence. I got over the cold and got back into lots of exercise, but find that I run out of energy so quick and my legs are so heavy.

So this weekend I read the book, did the measurements and found that I'm Hunter. It claims that blood type 'O' produce a lot of stomach acid, so could eating meat really be the solution if we were to believe that meat is acid forming from the Ph diet?

To be honest. I've always felt that what is good for one person, may not be good for the other. Maybe that's why I've felt so weak since stopping the beef  

I'd love to hear if any previous vegetarians have flourished since eating meat?

Sorry you all had to put up with my rant - haha

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Hi Aimy - yeah there is no one size fts all & that alkaline acidic chart assumes there is...0's have plenty of acid to digest meat & need it to survive/function properly, especially Hunters!!
Believe me I was at the wrong end of a Hunter's low blood sugar last week, after several days of him not eating enough protein during the day (He thought he could survive on nuts He went nuts (at me) )
As well as that, I was basically vegetarian for a year or so Owing to the fact that we got so many eggs free, (& as I was on the road for work) I used to survive on eggs (at dinner) & almonds, soy protein bars, coffee, coconut cream & sunflower seeds the rest of the day...
My skin was constantly giving me grief & I was stressed to the max (& I thought it was just pressure of work & hormones )
Now my mood is so much more stable & stress levels are fine, despite work & coping with my Hunter's antics & my hair is regaining its colour & split ends are non existent now...
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http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2010/05/30/title-25?blog=34

Aimy, here is a blog I wrote a few months ago on just this topic.


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http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2010/05/30/title-25?blog=34

Wow - What a great read that was. Thanks for sending that to me
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oh yes, I was a vegetarian for so many years.. and so un healthy!
even after starting  the BTD, I converted to raw for  about a year....
it almost killed me again... though I loved  the food and loved making it!
I'm back to my SWAMI and  just do beautifully... till I fall off of the track...  which is only once in awhile....
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Hi Aimy,
I was never a true vegan but ate very little meat. As the years went on, serious brain fog set in. I was fortunate to find this diet which almost immediately improved my mood and mental clarity. Little did I know how "off" my digestion really was until I started eating this way. We get used to chronic conditions and begin to think they are normal.

One of the first things I learned from my reading was that meat (L-tryosine) helps regulate dopamine in type O's. It is also possible to get this from wheat but that would be the unhealthy way for O's. I had also given up wheat thinking I might have an intolerance so my brain fog was serious.

I am thankfully everyday I was lead to meat. It gave me back my quality of life. Bring on the beef!

Lisa


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I went Vegan for nearly a year and became the sickest of my entire life.  Though my cholesterol numbers were, for the first time in my life "normal", I was so ill that I could barely function.  The moment that I started eating meat again and limiting starch I started to feel better.


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I was vegetarian for a few years and even tried vegan for a few months- got sick and fat from it and had produced a meat and egg loving offspring that I called Stoneagebaby- little did I know that she was a O type...
But I started to eat meat and fish again and soon my health improved.


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Aimy, first of all, a warm welcome to you!   I think you're going to be pleased with how you feel on the Hunter diet. Blood type O's are not vegetarian material!  

I was vegetarian for more than 2 decades and it was slowly killing me.  I did feel great for a couple of years, but it was steadily downhill after that.  Eating right for my type has been rebuilding my health and giving me my life back.

Aim for the best quality of meat that you can find -- grass fed if possible.  It is high in Omega 3's and is anti-inflammatory.  Don't skimp on the fresh produce.  A wide assortment of vegetables is the perfect balance for meat; getting lots of greens in your diet is very alkaline.  

Fasten your seatbelt and enjoy the ride!  



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I agree with everything everyone said. I was barely eating meat for exactly the same reasons you posted...acidity and inflammation. I would eat meat maybe twice a month. I did eat eggs and chicken and fish. However, the way I feel when I eat meat everyday now is just indescribable. I feel alive again, not just dragging myself through life. I also started eating a LOT more fat, and my skin is just glowing. The skin on my legs and arms was always dry, like scaly looking. Now I don't even have to use lotion! My hair is so shiny too.
I also don't have any digestive issues, since it's really hard for my stomach to digest vegetables and grains...within three days of doing btd my stomach was super flat and I was digesting meals within 20 minutes or so. At first I had to eat some rice to help me transition into the diet but now I don't eat any grains at all. I've never felt better! My shoulder and wrist pain is 100% GONE (something I had gotten accustomed to).
I eat meat every day mow and if I don't, I start craving it so badly that I have to run tot he store and get some. I've also been eating a lot of salmon and steelhead trout (I guess it's in season now?).
If you are a hunter I highly recommend eating meat at least once a day at the beginning. Your body will be SO happy!


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I was a vegetarian for a few years during college. I thought it was a healthy diet, but it included lots of cheese, corn, wheat, and highly processed meat analogues. Then I went vegan for a few months, and learned two things: Number one, I did much better off of dairy- my chronic sinus congestion was nearly (but not completely) gone.. That was my first experience ever that dietary changes could affect my health. Secondly, I found that I felt very weak and drained after only a few months on this diet.

After about 3 or 4 months of veganism, I re-evaluated my reasons for being a vegetarian, and decided they no longer fit my world view. My primary argument (to myself) to resume meat eating was "Who am I to say I'm better than G-d when He says we can eat meat?" I was genuinely shocked when I realized I was healthier eating meat, but not dairy, than  I was as an lacto-ovo vegetarian. I still spent years thinking vegetarianism was the ideal (for health and the planet) and eating lots of wheat, corn, all beans, soy products, and only eating meat once or twice a week. It was still years before I ate red meat more than a few times a year.

My health greatly improved when I started with "Traditional Foods" around the time my son was a toddler. That's when I started eating meat a few times a week, along with adding fermented foods to my diet and started "properly preparing" beans and grains. Then I went low-carb (more meat, fewer grains) then gluten free (easier once wheat was a condiment, not a staple) then mostly Paleo (cutting out all legumes and dairy and reducing grains to about once a week). All of these changes improved my health, but I could tell there was still something missing. BTD, and then SWAMI, provided that "missing link" and now my diet is more varied (I can eat beans and some dairy again) plus I'm much more energetic and deal with less overall muscle pain than I did in the past.

I've discovered that eating red meat a few times a week is essential to my health. Even after getting SWAMI, I cut back on red meat consumption to save money (while still avoiding the avoids and eating lots of beneficial veggies) and my mental health fell apart.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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myself, my partner and my daughter all went fat free VEGAN 100% for just over 6 months, with no exceptions, no booze, no sweets, nothing bad.

It nearly killed us all (all O's) our skin was terrible, wind was laughable, stomaches bloated, plus are heads were up are bottoms, so to speak, not only that all the other vegan, most of which must have been O's or B's too were demented, sorry to generalise but it's true. they were all aggressive, excessive, and a bit dim to be honest.

Thankfully recovered, we are now much healthier but more importantly happier.

But all things have a happy ending, if we had not gone vegan and been so ill, we would never have found out about the Blood type Diet. so every cloud has a silver, or in the case, a golden lining.

Keep it grass feed though and organic.





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How old was Emily when you put her on the vegan diet, and was she still being breastfed at the time?


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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I was vegetarian for more than 2 decades and it was slowly killing me.  I did feel great for a couple of years, but it was steadily downhill after that.  


This was my experience, too. My husband and I were vegetarian for 18 years. I did thrive for a while. But, gradually, the decline happened. Subtle but relentless weight gain, bloating, flatulence, terrible indigestion at times, blinding headaches, aching joints, disrupted sleep patterns, etc, etc, etc. And to top it all off, adrenal exhaustion and depression.

NOT WORTH IT!!!!

Since going onto the genotype diet (hubby is a Hunter; I am a swamied gatherer) we are now REALLY thriving!

Give it a go, Aimy...you won't be sorry.  


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Yeah, 20 years as a vegetarian.
The next 20 trying to recover from it.  



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The funny thing about it, Victoria, was that when I was particularly stressed, I would crave red meat. And that was fairly often. I just thought I wasn't a very disciplined vegetarian. Now I know that my body was pleading for what it really needed to cope with everything.

Just wish I had listened sooner!!!


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The funny thing about it, Victoria, was that when I was particularly stressed, I would crave red meat. And that was fairly often. I just thought I wasn't a very disciplined vegetarian. Now I know that my body was pleading for what it really needed to cope with everything.

Just wish I had listened sooner!!!


Yes, I understand.   I can only be SO grateful that we now know what we know!!      



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Count me in....25 yrs veg!   sick, but convinced the diet was the best!
Soooo much better now as meat eating gatherer.
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Quoted from Victoria
Yeah, 20 years as a vegetarian.
The next 20 trying to recover from it.  


Wow that was a long stretch.  Glad u survived it.
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I was a strict vegan for about 15 years and then starting eating chick, fish... then 3 years ago, I tried red meat... omg. I cant explain how different I feel. I still struggle with the concept of meat is "bad" when I am constantly in the field of medicine and practitioners who reiterate to clients to eat wheat and veg ( hi carb). However, this board and some fellow o friends are helping me along to just be ME. and LOVE ME... hard to say but everyday it gets a little easier.

Also, my workouts are much better.

I seriously crave the meat everyday since I started eating it again... it really is about balance.You will do it and love it.
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I am a former pesco vegetarian. During the childhood I also ate chicken but I quit that after getting it too much.

I quit the gluten grains off for nearly 19 months ago.

I gradually started to eat organic meat or game nearly 13 months ago.

My healing has been also gradual since my habits are not always so healthy. But I clearly feel normal after eating organic lamb/beef or sometimes moose with lots of vegetables - the way I think people should feel after proper eating!

I've read that organic / grass-fed meat is not so acidic as such meat I never want to eat because of cattle's inhuman production and wrong diet.

And for your own sake, don't eat quorn! That - if something - is very industried "food"! Yuck. Natural tastes are better.

And by the way, I haven't eaten chicken until this day
but a couple times turkey, duck and one meal of mallard.

Poultry is so hard to get organic... that's a pity.


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I'm so happy I asked this question. The replies have been great and it's so good to hear that everyone's health has improved  

Well it's only been 3 days since I started back on the meat again, and I must say that my stomach already feels calmer, not to mention the bloating has already improved a great deal. Also Marjorie mentioned that her workouts are much better.. Omg that's the first thing I noticed, even after a short 3 days.

I'm sorry, but I wish I could reply to you all personally but my fingers will hurt too much  ... But I appreciate the responses... It's put my mind as ease

All the best
Aimy

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Quoted from Green Root

Poultry is so hard to get organic... that's a pity.


This is my problem.  I would love to find ground turkey w/o added natural flavors.
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I am able to get organic turkey in northern ireland, there must be other suppliers in other countries.


Kind Regards PC. FIfHI Swami III Pro

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Just read this i a book about 5 mins ago, thought of this thread lol

Back in the 1830’s, a Presbyterian minister named Sylvester Graham (1794–1851) crusaded against anything and everything that he considered the “playboy philosophy.” According to Graham, men should abstain from sex until the age of 30 and have sex just once a month thereafter. To control lust, Graham prescribed a high-fiber vegetarian diet.

Besides sex, Graham campaigned against soft mattresses, hot baths, and other “sensual” things not worthy of “real men,” because, according to Graham, they led to “venereal excess.” That’s how hard beds and cold showers entered into the American pantheon of manhood, and turned countless boys into rebellious neurotics, drug users, and alcoholics. Alas, substance abuse and mental disorders often follow even a mildly abusive childhood.

Graham preached equally hard against white bread because it lacked fiber and, presumably, caused constipation. In time, this rhetoric gave birth to Graham flour—a coarsely ground wheat made into Graham bread, Graham muffins, and Graham crackers, which eventually degenerated into the ubiquitous sugar-laden children’s cookies made from refined white flour practically devoid of fiber.

Ironically, Sylvester Graham was the seventeenth child of the Reverend John Graham, who was 72 years old at the time of his son’s birth. Graham himself lasted for just 57 years and died alone and in obscurity, in large part because of his abrasive, irritable personality—a typical manifestation of acute protein deficiency and unstable blood sugar. Apparently, in Graham’s own case, a strict vegetarian diet, harsh fiber, and prudish abstinence brought neither health nor happiness. Nonetheless, his message took hold. But it took another century to finally hook Americans on fiber for good.


Kind Regards PC. FIfHI Swami III Pro

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a sad existence


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The acid/alkaline balance in natural meat-eaters works differently compared to that of natural vegetarians.  Acid in the stomach vs acid in the muscules.

Different body, different strengths and weaknesses, different diet, same good health.


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I was a vegetarian for a few years and then I was tempted to go back to eating meat again..and..
wait..a minute..      (kidding)     wrong person... ha ha

My O son went into the Army Basic trainging, so he thought he'd eat a lot of carbs, rice, spaghetti, for energy.. you know carb loading to get through all the training.. He didn't really believe in the Blood type diet.  He said he felt like poop.  So he decided to listen to his mother... and eat meat, vegetables, fruit and nuts and stay off the grains and dairy.  He even managed to find some soy milk to drink. Not the best, but better than cow's milk for O's!  He felt great! He said all his energy came back...
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That's what I am talking about! I was a Raw Vegan for three years (and am a certified raw food chef) but for some reason (now I know the reason) I was gaining weight and feeling tired all the time. I was taught that being a raw vegan was the most healthiest lifestyles there is yet I was not seeing the benefits other than loving the food I was creating. Once bite of a grassfed t-bone and I was HOOKED.

That night I was bouncing off the wall with energy. My hubby laughed because he hadnt seen me that energetic in a while

Needless to say he nor I are never going to give up red meat again.

Oh and also I have not been on the diet very long (since January 13th) and I am down 11 pounds and shrinking.  


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This is my problem.  I would love to find ground turkey w/o added natural flavors.


Contact the company and find out what's in the "natural flavors." The only kosher ground turkey I could find also listed "natural flavors" so I emailed Empire Poultry to find out what's in it. Turns out, "natural flavors" simply means rosemary oil for this particular product. Since rosemary is neutral for both Os and Bs, I'm comfortable using this product.


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Just read this i a book about 5 mins ago, thought of this thread lol

Back in the 1830’s, a Presbyterian minister named Sylvester Graham (1794–1851) crusaded against anything and everything that he considered the “playboy philosophy.” According to Graham, men should abstain from sex until the age of 30 and have sex just once a month thereafter. To control lust, Graham prescribed a high-fiber vegetarian diet.

Besides sex, Graham campaigned against soft mattresses, hot baths, and other “sensual” things not worthy of “real men,” because, according to Graham, they led to “venereal excess.” That’s how hard beds and cold showers entered into the American pantheon of manhood, and turned countless boys into rebellious neurotics, drug users, and alcoholics. Alas, substance abuse and mental disorders often follow even a mildly abusive childhood.

Graham preached equally hard against white bread because it lacked fiber and, presumably, caused constipation.
Aaah this is who was responsible for my Dad's strict Scottish Presbyterian upbringing & why he was so against "the pleasures of the flesh" I think his life was a bit sad as a result & ironically, despite plenty of grains, grinding his own whole wheat flour & making bread etc he was still less than regular (from what my Mother said) or healthy really... Think he was probably an O

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Hi Aimy,

  I am a new follower of the Genotype Diet after having been vegan for almost a year. I had become vegan thinking it would help my health. Among other things, I had about 100 pounds to lose. (it still shocks me to say that!) After becoming vegan I did initially feel better. I think this was because I gave up dairy. Giving up the dairy caused me to rapidly lose 17 pounds in one month.
After that the weight loss slowed, but I continued to lose another 33 pounds over the next 5 months. Then, however I stopped losing weight and continued to having digestive distress (bloating, gas, etc.) Continued on for another several months before realizing that all of the wheat products I was consuming were causing the problem.  A friend mentioned Dr. D'Adamo's books and I started reading and realized that I needed to make a change.  Realizing I was a type O Gatherer, I immediately gave up wheat and corn and slowly started adding meat back into my diet. The change has been dramatic to say the least! All of the bloating, gas and intestinal discomfort is gone and I have started losing weight again! In fact 11 pounds in the first 3 weeks! I am feeling better every day and look forward to finally reaching my goal weight while feeling my very best!  Hope you find your experience to be similar and wish you the very best!
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JG!
great testimonial!
welcome!
Read about the non secretor issue
http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/newbie/a.htm


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Lola,

Thanks for the welcome! Am happy to finally be on the right track!
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I was following the BTD and enjoying awesome health until I became a yoga teacher and decided I was going to become vegetarian. Because I knew O's aren't good on dairy I decided to go the whole hog and become vegan. I was a vegan for about a year - in that short time I gained 10kg, developed chronic acne that I'm still recovering from, had severe anxiety and was depressed, my menstrual cycle stopped for 8 months - I kept putting it down to the idea that my body was 'detoxing' and 'cleansing' from all the 'bad meat' I'd eaten on the BTD for about 3 years before. I was so desperate to detox at one point I was a raw vegan for about 2 months - I've never been more unhealthy in my life, I look at pictures and it pains me at how inflamed, puffy, tired and drained I look. Like a big puffed up bag of death!

Well, this 'detox' continued until the day I changed back to the BTD, where I've been since - SLOWLY regaining my health. I've just changed over to the GTD to try and lose the 10kg I gained.... we live and learn. I feel amazing now.
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welcome, glad you migrated over from FB!
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jessetcell,
good testimonial!  

I took that route also;  became yoga teacher, vegetarian/vegan for two decades, wrecked my health, rebuilding with the help of Dr. D!




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I was a vegan in the 90s, worst years of my life.  I don't put too much stock in the acid/alkaline theory & I was a food combining, vegan macrobiotic fanatic.  Ugh what a bunch of b.s.!  BT Os thrive on animal foods & meat, period.  Add some raw veggies to your diet & oat bran if you're a Gatherer.  Buy a Vitamix if you simply must have that L.A. cool experience.  
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http://preciouswilliams.typepa.....an-exvegetarian.html

This is an interesting article...she mentions Liz Hurley doing the BTD towards the bottom of the story.

"Around the same time, I read that Elizabeth Hurley was following something called the Blood Type Diet, started by a naturopath called Dr D'Adamo who claimed that there was no such thing as a one-size-fits-all healthy diet. In short, vegetarianism simply couldn't work for everybody.

D'Adamo claims that it all boils down to your blood group: people whose blood group is A can thrive as vegetarians and shouldn't eat any meat, while those of blood group O can't thrive without red meat. My blood group is O. I suddenly started to feel that meat, the only thing I hadn't tried eating in recent years, was the missing link to good health."


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well". Psalm 139

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I also learned in biology that the body keeps the alkaline PH in the proper 7 range. It will do what it has to to keep it there. Even a point off can cause death so that whole keeping the body alkaline is a scam to get people to buy "products" that change your Ph balance.  You're body's chemistry does it all for free and with the proper diet for your type, it's very easy to maintain it.    I probably got osteopenia from a combination of low vitamin D levels and eating low carb, high protein for a about 5 years..maybe more..before coming back to the BTD in 2008.    
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http://preciouswilliams.typepa.....an-exvegetarian.html

This is an interesting article...she mentions Liz Hurley doing the BTD towards the bottom of the story.

"Around the same time, I read that Elizabeth Hurley was following something called the Blood Type Diet, started by a naturopath called Dr D'Adamo who claimed that there was no such thing as a one-size-fits-all healthy diet. In short, vegetarianism simply couldn't work for everybody.

D'Adamo claims that it all boils down to your blood group: people whose blood group is A can thrive as vegetarians and shouldn't eat any meat, while those of blood group O can't thrive without red meat. My blood group is O. I suddenly started to feel that meat, the only thing I hadn't tried eating in recent years, was the missing link to good health."


This was a good article, Jesi.  I really related to the way her health went downhill over the years of being a vegetarian:

"The truth was that with each slightly more extreme variation of vegetarianism I tried, I grew slightly weaker, more lethargic, more depressed and - worse still - slightly fatter."



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Yes I remember this.  For a lot of years i thought veganism was dead.  Love the late 90s, very important time for me.  
Quoted from Jesi
http://preciouswilliams.typepa.....an-exvegetarian.html

This is an interesting article...she mentions Liz Hurley doing the BTD towards the bottom of the story.

"Around the same time, I read that Elizabeth Hurley was following something called the Blood Type Diet, started by a naturopath called Dr D'Adamo who claimed that there was no such thing as a one-size-fits-all healthy diet. In short, vegetarianism simply couldn't work for everybody.

D'Adamo claims that it all boils down to your blood group: people whose blood group is A can thrive as vegetarians and shouldn't eat any meat, while those of blood group O can't thrive without red meat. My blood group is O. I suddenly started to feel that meat, the only thing I hadn't tried eating in recent years, was the missing link to good health."


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Hey everyone, my first post here, and I'm new here and new to Genotype.

I'm Hunter type O  and I was vegetarian for 13 years. I occasionally would "slip up" and eat wild game. But in general, I practically lived on cakes and cookies and Mexican food. I was generally healthy, but depressed a lot of the time and lots of skin problems. About 7 years ago I started eating fish and chicken, but still eating tons of bready things. During my vegetarian days I also developed an allergy to cashew, pistachio, macadamia, and walnuts. Doctor said "leaky gut". Also developed kind of nasty hay fever and cat allergies. I believe all this to be damage incurred by the "carbatarian" diet. I think I did permanent damage.

In recent years I've had intense cravings for very nutrient dense foods like marrow, livers, and even things like fish eyes.

Anyway, I know now that I'm a hunter. I really do not enjoy beef at all (except marrow), and chicken and most poultry is something that mostly disgusts me, thought I enjoy it in some cases (mostly Mexican or Indian food). It's going to be a tough road to try to incorporate the meats into my diet. Even though I'm not vegetarian anymore, I still only manage to get meat into my diet a couple times per week, or even less sometimes.

At least I finally understand why I have always hated lettuce.  The only fruits I really love to eat are pineapple and mango, so that explains a lot. I love Mamey too, but don't see it come through here too often.

Anyway, I'm just starting my GenoJourney, and thought I'd give my experiences on veg transitioning into non-veg.

On a side note, I never would have guessed I was a hunter, but interestingly I've always been a great sprinter, and can also go for long long walks without really tiring or needing water or food. I was also thinking about my uncanny ability to spot wildlife. Even on tours in places where I don't know the animals, I almost always spot animals before the guide. I wonder if that is some ancient instinct happening! It's totally fascinating. There are a bunch of other things relating to my "eyes in the back of my head" senses that I now see could be related to my Hunter genetics.
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glad you like marrow!

learn to make bone broth soups

these are very restoring and nourishing.....add beneficials to these

replenish your ecosystem and balance your bacterial overgrowth from years of eating carbs......

this lectin free anti inflammatory approach will take you there in no time!
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It's going to be a tough road to try to incorporate the meats into my diet. Even though I'm not vegetarian anymore, I still only manage to get meat into my diet a couple times per week, or even less sometimes.


Beef might be the most 'satisfying' food for a Hunter.

If you have not yet weaned yourself from wheat this will turn out to be a pleasant surprise. It's all about the tyrsoine and cravings for a serotonin fix.
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Depends why you are a vegetarian- is it because you feel animals should not be eaten because they have a soul as we do, or because you feel that most meats are contaminated, ie. fish containing mercury, meats containing and fed chemicals.


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In recent years I've had intense cravings for very nutrient dense foods like marrow, livers, and even things like fish eyes.


Don't worry, if you have these kinds of cravings you'll eventually get used to meat and poultry!    

Welcome, Hunter!
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I was a vegetarian for a year before I learned of the BTD.  Luckily I'm type A, so the adjustments were smaller than O Hunters.  I actually did worse for a year after following ER4YT, then trying The Genotype diet as an Explorer.  Turns out I'm a non-secretor and my SWAMI found me to be a Teacher.  These recommendation match most closely to when I was vegetarian.  I was eating lots of eggs, took flax oil and vitamin D all of which I've returned to.  
Do research, listen to your body, be patient with your mental adjustments and falters.
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Thank you all for the warm welcome! My reasons for being vegetarian were mainly environmental. The amount of resources used on raising meat could basically feed (and water) all the starving people in the world. Not to mention the disgusting amount of hormones, antibiotics tainting the entire food system and run-off into the environment, mono-culture and pesticide/GMO crops to feed the animals, and the inhumane treatment of animals. I also feel like people should have to kill their own food, to be more in touch with the natural process, instead of just buying a nice piece of bloodless saran-wrapped meat at the store. Luckily I live in San Francisco, where we have an abundance of organic, grass-fed, wild-caught, etc etc of almost any type of meat or vegetable or alternative grain available. My experience with hunting my own food is limited to fishing.

Anyway, thanks for the support. My goal today is to eat something with meat in it. And yes, I'm going off the wheat (and oats).
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Welcome!

I suggest you find some sources for grass-fed red meats and humanely raised poultry. Traditionally, animals grazed on land unsuitable for farming; it was a very environmentally sound practice. It's only when acres of monoculture (usually corn and soybeans) are given to farm animals rather than people that animal farming "wastes resources and feeds fewer people."


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Just read this i a book about 5 mins ago, thought of this thread lol

Back in the 1830’s, a Presbyterian minister named Sylvester Graham (1794–1851) crusaded against anything and everything that he considered the “playboy philosophy.” According to Graham, men should abstain from sex until the age of 30 and have sex just once a month thereafter. To control lust, Graham prescribed a high-fiber vegetarian diet.

Besides sex, Graham campaigned against soft mattresses, hot baths, and other “sensual” things not worthy of “real men,” because, according to Graham, they led to “venereal excess.” That’s how hard beds and cold showers entered into the American pantheon of manhood, and turned countless boys into rebellious neurotics, drug users, and alcoholics. Alas, substance abuse and mental disorders often follow even a mildly abusive childhood.

Graham preached equally hard against white bread because it lacked fiber and, presumably, caused constipation. In time, this rhetoric gave birth to Graham flour—a coarsely ground wheat made into Graham bread, Graham muffins, and Graham crackers, which eventually degenerated into the ubiquitous sugar-laden children’s cookies made from refined white flour practically devoid of fiber.

Ironically, Sylvester Graham was the seventeenth child of the Reverend John Graham, who was 72 years old at the time of his son’s birth. Graham himself lasted for just 57 years and died alone and in obscurity, in large part because of his abrasive, irritable personality—a typical manifestation of acute protein deficiency and unstable blood sugar. Apparently, in Graham’s own case, a strict vegetarian diet, harsh fiber, and prudish abstinence brought neither health nor happiness. Nonetheless, his message took hold. But it took another century to finally hook Americans on fiber for good.
Substance abuse is most likely correlated to neurochemical profiles.  The sexual regiem might as well be complete absinence.

Graham seems to have done more harm than good.  Cold showers and vigorous exercise were mandated for public school boys to reduce “venereal excess.”   George Macdonald Fraser has the clearest perspective on the possible effectiveness of this regime; soldiers and sailors had plenty of cold showers and vigorous exercise, and were know to be two professions most justly liked to  venereal excess.


My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.
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