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Patrick H
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In June of 1999 and again in 2000 I had the privilege of meeting one of the true heroes of our recent time—Dr. Russell Blaylock, M.D. Dr. Blaylock is a neuro-surgeon of great respect and a thorough researcher and author. Dr. Blaylock has explored in great depth the relationship of certain types of brain lesions and their cause, and has discovered a clear link to various food additives, which form or contain "free" glutamic acid. These additives, which are used as "flavor enhancers" or "sugar substitutes", include a host of aliases used by the food industry to disguise their true identity—MSG (Monosodium Glutamate) or free glutamic acid. Some of these aliases include "autolyzed yeast", "yeast extract", "yeast nutrient", "nutritional yeast", and "yeast food". Dr. Blaylock published his findings in 1997 in his best-selling book, Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills.

I was attending two natural healing seminars, in 1999 and also 2000, where more than 1,000 people were in attendance each time. Dr. Blaylock was one of the featured lecturers. Dr. Blaylock revealed his findings to a spell-bound audience, and it was here where I first learned that my beloved nutritional yeast, like its other yeast cousins, contained "free glutamic acid". It was after having lunch with Dr. Blaylock in June 2000, that it was further reinforced that the "NON-Active Saccharomyces cerevisiae Nutritional Yeast", as used by many vegetarians and found in generous supply in many "green drinks", also contains "free glutamic acid"—the same neurotoxic compound as monosodium glutamate (MSG). Nutritional Yeast is classified as an "excitotoxin"—a classification of neurotoxic compounds that over-stimulate the neurotransmitters of the brain to death. According to Dr. Blaylock, "Free Glutamic Acid (MSG) literally stimulates neurons to death, causing brain damage to varying degrees." I learned that this MSG is not added to Saccharomyces cerevisiae nutritional yeast, but it occurs as a direct result of its growth and processing. Please see the Truth In Labeling web site.

http://www.daystarbotanicals.com/nutritionalyeast_print.html
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But the glutamates in nutritional yeast are not biologically the same as the processed glutamates in MSG. It's similar to how HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) works differently in the body than apples, even though both contain fructose. HFCS contains processed fructose plus chemical residues, while the apple contains natural fructose plus vitamins, minerals, fiber, (and lectins, making apples a bad choice for some individuals, even though it's a wholesome food.)

Similarly, nutritional yeast is good for some individuals while neutral or bad for others. Unlike "autolyzed yeast extract" or MSG, nutritional yeast contains vitamins, minerals, protein, and fiber, along with glutamates. This food will have different ratings for different blood types, genotypes, or SWAMIs. Even "evil" MSG is neutral for some individuals.

It looks like Dr. Blaylock has not (yet?) included individualized nutrition into his research. He's found that this class of food additives is harmful for many people, but he didn't look into why it wasn't harmful for some.

I'm also curious about his research on nutritional yeast specifically. Did it really cause harm to people when consumed as the only source of glutamates, or did it only enhance the damage when consumed along with MSG and other processed forms? What kinds of doses were causing harm?


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Patrick H
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Very good response. I agree with you.

However, for me personally, I find that it doesn't sit well on my stomach, regardless of its benefits and/or downsides. The only way I can digest it is with some digestive enzymes.

Also, I feel very anxious an hour after consuming it. No surprise here.
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Those are all very good reasons for you, personally, to avoid nutritional yeast.


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I feel that way after both nutritional yeast & MSG itself... Got a pounding headache half way through the evening on Saturday while out at a work dinner & I pretty well never get headaches even after a whole night's lack of sleep & am still feeling off nearly 3 days later... I just called & found out the restaurant uses MSG in their meals...
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Do you have a SWAMI Possom? If so, how does nutritional yeast rate for you? How about MSG?

I personally get nutritional yeast as a diamond, so I eat it frequently. Interestingly enough, I even get MSG as a neutral, although I can't imagine why I'd ever purchase processsed food that adds it. Meanwhile, DD1 has yeast as an avoid, and I'm keeping it out of DD2's diet as well since it's an avoid for Explorers and I think DD2 is one. So, instead of adding yeast to the soup pot, I add it to my own personal bowl.


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Love the NYeast-- I even use it to make salad dressing. No headache or upset stomach.


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Nutritional yeast is a black dot for me and MSG is an avoid.

Years ago I loved having nutritional yeast on popcorn with butter. That was maybe twice a month. A few years back when I was regularly going to a TCM doctor, I would sometimes go for dinner afterward for hot-pot. One time in particular not realizing that MSG was in the food, we ate and went to the movies. Well, shortly after it started, my head felt like it was going to explode and I felt as if it was vibrating inside my body and the anxiety was crushing. I was trying to calm myself down and came close to having my husband call an ambulance!

It finally settled down after I slugged back some cayenne tincture that I always have with me. When I mentioned this to the TCM doctor, he said that Asians systems are different than ours and can metabolize MSG. Now if I am in Chinatown I look for the no MSG sign. That is one experience I hope to never repeat! My husband the Hunter was totally unaffected and he's a nonnie!
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I'm a nonnie too, yet MSG is neutral for me. I presume this means that I'd also get "no negative reaction" from MSG if I accidentally ingested any.


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Is MSG the stuff that give you "lockjaw"? If so it's out for me.  I was thinking to getting some nutritional yeast as I love the stuff. I've never placed it since I no longer eat pop corn. Think I'll wait until I get my swami.


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Gosh I thought nutritional yeast was supposed to be good for everyone....I eat it on my scrambled eggs in the morning.  Haven't done a SWAMI yet.  Still hoping to get a prof. one....
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Is MSG the stuff that give you "lockjaw"?

The common cause of "lockjaw" is a tetanus infection from getting rust in a wound.


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yes I know that   But  was wondering if that's what gave me a ache in my jaw, for lack of better description. My memory of NY China town, is of my jaw aching so much from some soup.


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Do you have a SWAMI Possom? If so, how does nutritional yeast rate for you? How about MSG?
Ummm gotta admit - not yet... but I am planning to...

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But the glutamates in nutritional yeast are not biologically the same as the processed glutamates in MSG.  

I'm also curious about his research on nutritional yeast specifically. Did it really cause harm to people when consumed as the only source of glutamates, or did it only enhance the damage when consumed along with MSG and other processed forms? What kinds of doses were causing harm?
I tried Nutritional Yeast on its own & had not eaten any other glutamates that day & reacted straightaway

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That's going back to individuality Possum. For you personally, nutritional yeast is an "avoid." For others, it's neutral or even beneficial.

Nobody gets MSG as a diamond superfood.


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Of course it's about individuality Ruthie - I was just answering your question, which I had missed back then...
I am also learning heaps I didn't know about glutamates... hence rediscovering this thread...
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For those who see this post in time, there is scheduled to be a radio show about MSG during the first 2 hours (Midnight to 2 AM Central time) tonight, of Coast to Coast AM.
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I use about a tablespoon of nutritional yeast daily in my live foods.  It is a superfood, adds flavor without adding sodium, and helps thicken my curry sauce.  I love it.  
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