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Kathleen
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I’m a hunter and my CSA box is full of yellow crookneck squash (summer squash).

Is the “squash” listed as Best Avoided/black dot summer squash??  Or winter squash??

Or should I consider my yellow squash a variation of zucchini???

If summer squash is “squash” then what is winter squash (butternut, etc)??

Zucchini is listed as Best Avoided/black dot.

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My belief is squash is squash, summer or winter.  I would treat it as a neutral although my Swami says avoid for me.  


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I don't even see squash listed in the Hunter food list.  Are you working with the Swami program?



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I consider Squash to be things like butternut, acorn, delicata, etc.

And yellow summer squash to be same category as zucchini.



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Yes, my swami lists "squash" as a black dot avoid under Live Foods.


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Interesting, both squash and zucchini are neutrals in my SWAMI, but squash is a geno-harmonic food, with butter among many other things. Which is what I'm having with my lunch in a little bit...
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Quoted from Victoria
I consider Squash to be things like butternut, acorn, delicata, etc.

And yellow summer squash to be same category as zucchini.


That's how I interpret it as well.

This is one of the reasons I'm hesitant to join a CSA: I don't want to be stuck with piles of produce I shouldn't be eating. I can plant what I want in my own backyard garden.

It's up to you if you want to eat the squash in your CSA box or not.  You have to decide if frugality (all these veggies that are already paid for) wins out over compliance (I'd have one small serving of a black dot food, but I wouldn't eat tons of it in place of healthier veggies.)


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CSA box .. bearing gifts ... being generous --- to your neighbor is one way to look at it..

or garbage swallowed - ends up in the same place ..no matter who it goes through first..

or better yet, make friends with your neighbor and BE GRATEFUL that you can give things to someone, and that he is GENEROUS enough to allow it..  

Gratefulness is a big component in living healthy..

I like squash.. send it my way..  


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Summer squash are allmost allways in the C. Pepo family. Some pumpkins and winter squash are also in that family but most are C. Maxima or C. Moschata with a few in the C. Mixta family. To make it completely comfusing a very few C. Moschatas are eaten immature as summer squash. For some common varieties and to see which family they belong in try rareseeds.com.
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Wow, thanks everyone for the help in wrapping my brain around this.  And I think I understand your squash horticulture gulfcoastguy, thanks  

Victoria, zucchini = summer squash and squash = winter squash makes sense.

Jerome, I wonder which answer on my swami made squash an avoid, and why?!  Lucky you.

Goldie, yes, isn’t it great fun to go somewhere bearing gifts of food!  I give my CSA lemon cucumbers, an avoid (no black dot) & I don’t like them anyway, to my mother-in-law who LOVES them and is so grateful.

Since squash/zucchini are black dot avoids, I’ll eat only from my CSA box and never buy them out of season from the grocery store.  No more after that then I would go into the black dot 60 day wash out period.

Even though I get a few avoid items throughout the year, I love that my CSA introduces me to such a variety of veggies and fruits.  Just ate the most amazing fresh figs for my treat after lunch! And yesterdays box included Jimmy Nardello red peppers, the Nardello family brought the seeds over from Italy and have been passing down the seeds down ever since.


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That sounds like a reasonable approach- eat the in-season CSA ones and avoid them the rest of the year. If you're overall in good health, that's a safe and healthy way to do it.

I'm still in the "intense healing" phase, so I don't want to regularly consume any black dots, even for a short period of time.


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ruthiegirl,  yes I'm in good health so eating black dots once in awhile is ok.  

I was so sad when my swami listed zucchini as black dot avoid    I would make this great zucchini frittata with fresh tomato sauce Monday mornings to eat throughout the week.  Tried it with other superfoods but just not the same!


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I can't handle this: I really wanna know what ever could be wrong with a zucchini?  Does it or other squash have lectins? or is it just high glycemic?
I usually figure there is a reason...and let it go at that ....but this one gets to me!... What's the reason???? (they're avoid for me)
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have you done a swami?
the final report gives you all the reasons behind the avoid status.....
you might get z, and then again you might not, depending on your variables computed by the system

there s a bio chemical and physiological reason behind every avoid


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Squash must have lectins, why else would it have different values for different people?


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thanks, Lola...I have swami, will look for the last page.
z is neutral....squash is avoid!

ok, can' find the last page...dunno where my swami is...just have printout...if any gatherers have the swami...and will share the reason squash is avoid (not bl. dot!)...please pipe up!!!!!

cuz if its glycemic index alone...I could use it cautiously.
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Quoted from Lola
have you done a swami?
the final report gives you all the reasons behind the avoid status.....


I don't see this on my swamii. Where would I find it?


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under avoid rationals
or chart report

Jaynee,
don t you have your password to enter your swami interphase?


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I'm still in the "intense healing" phase


I think I'm always gonna be there.


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I think I'm always gonna be there.
I know it seems like the intense healing will go on forever when you are in the middle of it, but keep eating beneficials and I'm sure there will be an end.  I'm looking for it, too!      Look for little improvements to be able to maintain the positive attitude.  Visualizing yourself doing things that you now can't may help, as well...  



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Quoted from Lola
have you done a swami?
the final report gives you all the reasons behind the avoid status.....
you might get z, and then again you might not, depending on your variables computed by the system

there s a bio chemical and physiological reason behind every avoid



Quoted from Lola
under avoid rationals
or chart report


I can't find this. Can anyone point me in the right direction?  


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Bummer  


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So is yellow crookneck squash an avoid or a beneficial for type o hunter?
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So is yellow crookneck squash an avoid or a beneficial for type o hunter?


As far as I can tell it is neither which makes it a neutral. I looked in the Genotype book.
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I consider Squash to be things like butternut, acorn, delicata, etc.

And yellow summer squash to be same category as zucchini.


Pumpkin is listed separate.  I'd always thought of it as a winter squash.  Pumpkin diamond, Squash neutral on my swami. So I'm somewhat confused,  I've gotten seeds which listed yellow squash as zucchini. Since zucchini, and pumpkin are diamond and "squash" is neutral not a problem for me. Can see where it would be for others.


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I have always seen zucchini and "squash" listed seperatly and assumed they were different. I also assumed sence some of the winter squash ( butternut, acorn, ect) are listed seperatly that the "squash" in general must be summer squash. although I have seen a hybrid of summer squash and zucchini they are totaly separate fruits. as different from each other as horses and donkeys. composition and seed arangement are very different not to mention plant growth itself.
I don't get them from the store, I found out some of them are gmo. if I grow them or my friends grow them I just eat them in moderation. I did find out that even though butternut is listed as binni it dose not like me so I just eat carefully and see what my body says if I am not sure were to rait an unlisted or even a neutral food.


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My interpretation is that winter squashes (butternut, acorn, spaghetti) are "squash" while the thin-skinned summer squashes are "zuchinni". I've seen yellow squashes that are essentially yellow zucchini, so I figure they're the same thing.

Zucchini might be GMO, so I only buy organic or from the farmer's market or from Trader Joe's. That's not a risk with winter squashes.

Yellow crookneck squash has thicker skin than zucchinis, but it's a summer squash, not a winter squash, so I'm really not sure how that would be rated.

What gets confusing is the difference between "squash" and "pumpkin." Particularly since there are varieties of squash that look like pumpkins.


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Is there a reason squash is listed as an avoid? When I run Swami squash is always avoid, but zucchini moves between neutral and beneficial depending on the settings.  Doesn't differentiate among different squash types however.  
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I wish we could see a breakdown as to the why nots for the avoids, because I'm in the same boat. I have eating for quite a long time, pretty much all kinds of squash, usually once a week. Now I just eat zucchini about once a month.
Zuchini is a black dot/avoid for me, squash is an avoid period for me. Pumpkin is a diamond food for me. I really don't quite know what I answered on my swami that puts this out of the neutral food category.
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In the type base Dr. D has listed Squash/Summer/Winter/All Varieties.  

In the description on the page he states:  "The most widely available varieties of summer squash are CROOKNECK, PATTYPAN and ZUCCHINI."
Also:  "Winter squash varieties include ACORN, BUTTERCUP, BUTTERNUT, HUBBARD, SPAGHETTI and TURBAN."

I thought when I first saw a separate listing for zucchini that it was special somehow.  After having seen this, I wonder if zucchini is listed separately because it would be easier for the novice to find it in the list.

I hope that this does not make this whole issue more confusing.  
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My husband and I are both Hunters and we both LOVE Squash..the winter hard Squash's.  They are a neutral for us but I am having a hard time not eating them every day!  I use the sweeter ones as a snack.   I know I need to concentrate on Diamonds and Beneficials but with Squash... I am a bit weak!    Especially the Delicata squash!  they are fabulous!  Much sweeter than even Butternut but still a delicate flavor.  
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