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Stooshy
Saturday, August 14, 2010, 11:54pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I am talking specifcally of belly fat that has added on due to hormonal changes....
I have noticed that fat tends to go to my belly more than it used to. Before it went more to my thighs...
I know this is hormonal.

Has anyone (specifically Explorer/O's!)  had success with removing this specific fat? either from Genotype diet or a specific protocol?

If you saw me you would probably laugh - I am used to having a very flat belly and this addition is causing me frustration!
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Have you ruled out pregnancy? I can't give any thoughts yet on this otherwise.
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I was reading about that somewhere and I will have to find it.

It was about how oestrogen allows the body to remove fatty acids from the blood more effectively, reducing the risk of heart attacks and related problems in pre menopausal women. The fatty acids removed from the blood are then stored around hips and thighs, compared to around the stomach area. So less oestrogen means more fat around the stomach and less around the thighs...

I will have a look for the book about that and let you know what it said exactly...
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I have been losing some weight and it came off my thighs, butt & chest
but my lower belly is the worst area.  Still
thinking it's fibroids and hormonal.  I tried taking
vitex and it gives me headaches which makes
me think it's definitely hormonal.....not sure what
protocol to try next.
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No its not pregnancy!!
1) It is not lack of estrogen - My estradiol is at 194 pg/mL (post menopausal is less than 40). The problem may well be unopposed Estrogen (i.e lack of Progesterone):
2) My Progesterone level is slightly low at 2.0 but I am going to retest mid cycle. (post menopausal is 0.078-0.
3) Another suspect is: Higher Cortisol/Stress (my last Cortisol test was at 18..2 ( ug/DL) [normal range: 8-23 AM Cortisol]
compared to last year when it was too low...)
4) FSH was 8.1 (post menopausal is 16.74-113.59)
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It's hormones.  I had the most amazingly flat belly until I got pregnant.  Then after pregnancy, I actually wasn't too bad until I went on the Mirena.  The hormones in that caused me to be heavy in male hormones, which caused the belly fat.

I feel a little better since having it removed, but I wish I had a quick fix, too!  




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Quoted from 10161
No its not pregnancy!!
1) It is not lack of estrogen - My estradiol is at 194 pg/mL (post menopausal is less than 40). The problem may well be unopposed Estrogen (i.e lack of Progesterone):
2) My Progesterone level is slightly low at 2.0 but I am going to retest mid cycle. (post menopausal is 0.078-0.
3) Another suspect is: Higher Cortisol/Stress (my last Cortisol test was at 18..2 ( ug/DL) [normal range: 8-23 AM Cortisol]
compared to last year when it was too low...)
4) FSH was 8.1 (post menopausal is 16.74-113.59)


Its good to see you have a fairly good basic understanding of what is going on with your hormones.
Did your doctor offer you progestins?
Progestins are derived from natural progesterone. Pharmaceutics companies can not patent a natural product and so they change the molecular structure slightly, so that they can patent it. Our receptors for progesterone are quite complex and our bodies often reject progestins, leaving us with some uncomfortable side effects.
You can buy natural progesterone cream and believe me, it does work harmoniously with the body... but don't tell the pharmaceutical companies I told you  
If your progesterone levels are even slightly low, you are suffering from estrogen dominance.

If too many cortisols are present (as in your case) then the symptoms are weight gain (especially around the middle) and blood sugar imbalance.
When cortisols are deficient (as in your case last year) it causes fatigue, low blood sugar and sometimes weight loss.
Both of these can cause chronic water retention because cortisols regulate the balance of minerals in the cells. There is a tendency to hold onto sodium and lose potassium and magnesium.

I have been in a similar situation as yourself and I was able to naturally re-balance myself. I took and still take potassium and magnesium supplement and I take a very rich source of vitamin C (camu camu) because vitamin C is uniquely important to the adrenal cortex. Did you know that vitamin C deficiency adversely impacts on adrenal gland performance?
I also take natural progesterone and I take kelp for my iodine levels. Women who suffer from unopposed estrogen, often start to suffer from thyroid problems.

What you eat and drink, obviously has an enormous effect on your hormone balance.

Treat the cause and not just the symptoms.
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how I can relate to that thema as well...


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If you eat too many carbohydrates, they produce too much glucose, and if the glucose isn't burned up through activity or exercise, they turn to fat, in the abdominal area.

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If you eat too many carbohydrates, they produce too much glucose, and if the glucose isn't burned up through activity or exercise, they turn to fat, in the abdominal area.

carbohydrates are grains (bread,muffins, cookies, cakes etc)
            veggies       potato, sweet potato, yam, certain beans, corn, peas,flour
            sugars        cane,brown, syrups, honey etc
            dairy         milk, cheeses, ice cream, etc.


We shouldn't lump carbohydrates under one heading.

Complex carbohydrates are essential for giving us energy. Our digestive enzymes have to work much harder to break these down. The slow absorption of sugar is what provides us with a steady supply of energy and this greatly limits the amount
of sugar converted into fat.

Simple carbohydrates are digested quickly and so it can be converted to fat much quicker.

Our bodies need complex carbohydrates such as wholegrain and starch. Its worth looking up which beans and root vegetables are complex.

Dairy products are known for rich fat and protein content and yet some dairy products such as low fat milk and plain yogurt contain simple carbohydrates.

I would say that the most simple carbohydrates to cut out of ones diet would be things like pastry, chocolate, cookies and things made from raw sugar.

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Quoted from Bec
I was reading about that somewhere and I will have to find it.

It was about how oestrogen allows the body to remove fatty acids from the blood more effectively, reducing the risk of heart attacks and related problems in pre menopausal women. The fatty acids removed from the blood are then stored around hips and thighs, compared to around the stomach area. So less oestrogen means more fat around the stomach and less around the thighs...


That scares me. Even as a young woman, I've always stored fat in my belly, not my hips or thighs. I've always been at least one size larger in the waist than the hips, sometimes more than that. Eeks- what will happen to me with menopause?


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Being an explorer and also from doing a lot of bodybuilding I am well versed in the "Carb" issues.
I agree that different Carbs affect us differently. I find it a shame that Dr. D didn't detail the optimal macronutrient make up for different blood types. I know I tend to need high protein/low carbs and I think that I do better on fruit and starchy vegetables compared to grain...However, Spelt and Rice are considered Superfoods for me. I try to eat carbs according to my energy demand - i.e more Carbs in the beginning of the day and pre/post workouts.

Seagypsy, thank you for the Vitamin C tip. I hate swallowing supplements and there always seem to be so many that are crucial to take . I guess that Vitamin C should be high on my list and it isn't there... I know that i don't have a magnesium deficiency - when I take it at before bed I feel I lack oxygen and it makes me breathless
I am currently taking Thyroid hormones for my thyroid and it is nicely balanced. I take DHEA and Vitamin D (My Vitamin D level is low). I take anti-deflect for O's and I am taking Vitamin A and B5 for my skin.  

I think I am at a stage that it will be hard to make my nutrition more optimal, and I have become very attentive to how I feel after eating a meal. For example, my body "sings" after I eat my home baked manna bread... Or another example, I am not the type of person who can only eat fruit for breakfast - I have to have a portion of lean protein or I am starved by 11:00...

Regarding fat reserves - women have Alpha2 receptors in the thigh and hip area - this is the hardest type of fat to let go of because it is the "emergency fat" reserve for birth. The only time this area "unlocks" is when you breastfeed... (so if you are breastfeeding this is your time to utilise the window of opportunity!)
Some women who are pear shaped - will probably have more of those receptors around the belly. Regarding belly fat - there is the surface fat and the dangerous "visceral fat" - research says that visceral fat is the "least stubborn fat" and usually comes off first...  

I am just thinking aloud here but I think that my main issue is -
Dealing with stress - stress affects the hormones so strongly!

I did some reading about biofeedback machines. I find it very interesting. Apparently, cold hands are a sign of stress due to constriction of the blood vessels. This correlates with the hypothyroid. I have no doubt that many women suffer from hypothyroids - due to a combination of high stress and diet. Hypothyroids are in our throat chakra - all about communication...

I also want to optimize my supplementation...and have to keep it simple and consistent in order to see what supplements do the best for me.
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I'm drinking a Holy Basil/Green Tea blend that seems to be helping me with stress/cortisol. (Not sure about the Holy Basil for O's). In fact, I reach for it if anything has been upsetting to me and it is very comforting and calms me down. Organic India-- found it at several health food stores

I can't tell if I have lost belly fat specifically or just overall fat. Seems that I lost 5-10 lbs since last time I weighed. My stomach does seem more in proportion than it used to.

I need to figure out what the ideal weight is for me because maybe I'm just not eating enough calories. Or, maybe our scale is goofy. Think we need to invest in a new one. Hubby says if he stands certain ways, his weight fluctuates up to 10 lbs.


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I can't tell if I have lost belly fat specifically or just overall fat. Seems that I lost 5-10 lbs since last time I weighed. My stomach does seem more in proportion than it used to.

I need to figure out what the ideal weight is for me because maybe I'm just not eating enough calories. Or, maybe our scale is goofy. Think we need to invest in a new one. Hubby says if he stands certain ways, his weight fluctuates up to 10 lbs.


AKA - Ideal weight is more like "ideal body fat percentage" which is really "lean muscle ratio".
A healthy range of fat for women ages 30-39 is between 13.4 - 19.1% body fat. 20% is the transition line although health is still good for 20.8-24% body fat. The cheapest way to measure body fat is with simple fat calipers. There are a number of web sites that show you how to measure fat with fat calipers in a number of spots on the body - starting with your stomach. The higher your lean muscle - the better in terms of health. Muscle weighs more than fat, so make sure that you are not losing muscle mass...
Muscle mass is what gives a beautiful shapely body and it helps in any day to day task. It keeps the metabolism high (muscle burns more than fat). If you don't have fat calipers - simply use a tape measure to monitor yourself - i.e waist, thighs, etc. Especially the areas where you tend to put on fat...

If you give me your height/weight I can give you a formula which would be able to estimate how many calories you need to eat every day. However, Dr. D doesn't go into the calorie measurement - probably quite wise, it is hard enough to measure portions throughout the day. The SWAMI gives you a portion recommendation - for example, I need to eat 3.5 portions of lean protein every day...

Hope this helps!!!
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AKA - Ideal weight is more like "ideal body fat percentage" which is really "lean muscle ratio".
A healthy range of fat for women ages 30-39 is between 13.4 - 19.1% body fat. 20% is the transition line although health is still good for 20.8-24% body fat. The cheapest way to measure body fat is with simple fat calipers. There are a number of web sites that show you how to measure fat with fat calipers in a number of spots on the body - starting with your stomach. The higher your lean muscle - the better in terms of health. Muscle weighs more than fat, so make sure that you are not losing muscle mass...
Muscle mass is what gives a beautiful shapely body and it helps in any day to day task. It keeps the metabolism high (muscle burns more than fat). If you don't have fat calipers - simply use a tape measure to monitor yourself - i.e waist, thighs, etc. Especially the areas where you tend to put on fat...

If you give me your height/weight I can give you a formula which would be able to estimate how many calories you need to eat every day. However, Dr. D doesn't go into the calorie measurement - probably quite wise, it is hard enough to measure portions throughout the day. The SWAMI gives you a portion recommendation - for example, I need to eat 3.5 portions of lean protein every day...

Hope this helps!!!


I'm about 5'3" and 100 or 103 lbs according to the (questionable) scale. Yeah, I am concerned about muscle mass and could stand to put on a few pounds, I think. 110 feels about right for me. Am curious about calories, though I think the body adapts and activity level is important as are nutrients. Interesting stuff out about lower calorie/higher nutrient diets for longevity, though I'm looking to possibly start a family in the next few years so wouldn't pursue that route until post pregnancy.

And, thanks!


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I have noticed, since incorporating Green Tea, a 98% gluten-free diet, and Calm Factors supplements (more important for an A-type), that I am losing belly fat without exercise.  My upper abs are starting to show like never before.  I am amazed and delighted.  


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I've been drinking green tea almost daily for years...since...2008 I guess, and it hasn't done anything for my belly fat.  But then again when I was 46 I weighed 137.(5'7") I was a vegetarian. (now following SWAMI I eat fish, turkey, and other poultry..and veal)    Hormones rule.  I'd like Dr. D to become an endo ..thanks I have spoken.  
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Throw out all your plastic food containers and clean up your home environment (i.e. get rid of indoor pollutants). Teflon frying pan = bad. Iron or stainless steel much better.

If you use micro for some reason!
microwave safe plastic only means that it won´t melt in the oven, but the plastic leaches over to the food and affects your estrogens hormones cells etc..

Clean. Green & Lean
http://www.amazon.com/Clean-Green-Lean-Toxins-That/dp/0470409231#reader_0470409231
how the toxin-fat connection prevents you from losing weight no matter how little you eat or how much you exercise. You'll learn how reducing your toxic burden can help you stay lean for life.

Could it be your house that's making you fat? Dr. Crinnion helps you identify sources of toxic chemicals, allergens, and poisons in your home where you might least expect them. You'll learn how to remove and dispose of them safely, keep new toxins out, and make your home as clean and green as it can be.

Hormone-Mimics In Plastic Water Bottles Act As Functional Estrogens
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090326100714.htm
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well observed Stooshy.....

I tried to leave kilos also with a huger amount of greentea intake,,,, but nothing worked at that point went onto a 10% progestogel this helped a bit at the very early beginnings and now I observe often it's only waterretention    and of course my deepest needs to move....


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Lost three inches of hard belly fat along with 50 lbs weight!  No extra exercise (who am I kidding, I did no exercise at all)!

I am currently losing more.    Again, I am taking a vacation from GP's blood pressure suppressing meds.

How I did it: Swami with specific recommendation of supplements for my weight/blood pressure related health issues: high blood-pressure/hardened heart/cirrhosis of liver/edema.  I lost weight (probably because of the edema) 2 lbs a day on the diet and was not taking blood pressure suppressing meds as well.

Women in the normally fertile years are hormonally protected from the disadvantages for being "overweight". (I wonder why that would be?)  So peri-menopause or menopause is the time to "do it or rue it".  Like anything that could be put off, earlier is better.


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Throw out all your plastic food containers and clean up your home environment (i.e. get rid of indoor pollutants). Teflon frying pan = bad. Iron or stainless steel much better.


I just threw out my 10" non stick omelette/fry pan and got an Emeril stainless steel 10" omelette fry pan. It's a little getting used to it. It heats up a lot faster than the non stick..which most probably is aluminum.. I'm trying to replace all my aluminum baking pans with stainless..not easy to find stainless baking pans. They all have that doo doo on them.. I found a stainless pizza pie pan years ago and snatched it up..It's still shiney!  
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Throw out all your plastic food containers

I did this weekend!!!  Replaced all my plastic containers with glass.  Found a set at Costco for less than $30.

Now I need to buy glass containers for my beef and chicken broths that I currently store in ziplock bags in the freezer.


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I like the glass wide-mouth 8-oz and 16 oz canning jars.  



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Victoria,  Thanks for the tip!  I like the wide mouth idea.  Do you use the metal screw tops?


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I have been considering replacing my plastic (5) Bubba Keg with a x-large canning jar.

The problem is to manufacture a handle that will be locked into place with the metal screw top lid.  Making the lid a "sippy" would be a bonus.

"It can be done ....  We have the technology .... "  - from the intro of the Six-Million Dollar Man


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Victoria,  Thanks for the tip!  I like the wide mouth idea.  Do you use the metal screw tops?


No, I buy the plastic tops that screw on canning jars.  As long as my containers are glass or stainless steel, I'm not a purist about the lids.  

http://www.lehmans.com/store/K.....ng_Jars___9265?Args=

They are for sale all over my town in any store that sells canning jars.



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Thanks for the link Victoria!  I like the idea of not using metal tops due to possible reactions with contents.  I'm sure I can find those tops somewhere nearby.


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Mayflowers, I am with you on this... I am just reading Suzanne Somer's new book "Knockout" - highly recommended (its about Cancer prevention). I have a large stainless steel pan that is great and a La Crueset Cast Iron - I keep trying to season it - but eggs still stick to it... I don't know what I am doing wrong! Anyone know how to season a cast iron skillet properly?
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Anyone know how to season a cast iron skillet properly?

Here is a link that describes seasoning and care of cast iron...
http://www.dutchovencookware.com/lodge-cookware.html


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I just redid my hormone tests and took them on my 18th cycle day - which is the mid luteal phase.
This part of the cycle gives you a clear picture of your progesterone and estradiol levels. Well suprisingly, my Progesterone levels are fine at 13.6 (5.16-18.56 normal range). But my doc says that my estrogen is in decline: It is at 43 (49-221 normal range for Mid_luteal phase). I don't have hot flushes yet, but my cycle has shortened to 23 days from 28 days which is a peri menopausal symptom. Plus I have been having some dizzy spells, more spider veins and this belly fat...eventhough I am eating according to my Explorer plan (albeit maybe some sprouted bread with ghee and fig jam here and there! and some dark chocolate with less than 9 gram sugar and not more than 3 small squares), I cannot kick the chocolate habit - and it is a superfood... plus exercising optimally.

My doc suggested a Vivelle Dot or Evamist. Both are low levels of bioidentical hormones. I am baffled at this point as what to do. First I just ordered Dr D's Menopause book in order to see if he gives tips as to what phytos to eat for O's - I know greens are good. Cinnamon and Cucumbers are No's although they are phytos, soy is out for sure. I could take Flax Oil although it is only a neutral for me. I don't mind suffering any symptom except for the belly fat I am not used to this and I hate it!!! I am not sure I should cut portions - and if I do would it help me lose that belly fat or will it simply eat up my muscle mass??? quite confused about this...
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Oh Yes, the famous middle age spread!!!  Somehow we have managed to wake up those bad genes with our lifestyles, sedentary way of life or wrong eating for our type.  But even if you are not sedentary and very compliant, not using the right muscles at the right time can do it for us!!! I do not know how big your portions are at the moment, but I have dramatically cut down my portions at the same time that I have been increasing my exercise including abs work and slowly, but surely I am now noticing some improvements in that area.  It will get better, but not without work, not for some of us ...

I have been doing a bit of reading about the 'starvation' effect, and as long as you have a high nutrient intake in your restrictive calorie menu plan, if you decide to go that way, and time your meals, so that you are eating some protein and carbs to replenish muscles after workout, you will be OK ...

You are a lot younger than me, keep up the good work and those bad genes will not stand a chance!!!  




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I think prolonged BTD is the answer for us as it eventually allows for microorganisms in our body to be adjusted so that we can become healthy from the inside out.

Gatherers have such a propensity for belly fat that it is a sure sign of sugar being on issue way early in life.  having a flat belly is near impossible.. when the intestines are not working properly, not absorbing what we need, and not eliminating what we don't ..

changing to healthier foods is even more important for us.. I would advise any gatherer to look at the BTD for Diabetes  just to look and see what jumps out at you.. might help in the long run not for looks but for health.

as for carbs that convert to sugar we get way more then we need from vegetables, the fruit and the occasional cheat food. the good thing about that is that we get used to eating in this way and eventually then taste buds refuse the other nonono foods.  It takes a little time but the effort is worth it.

hanging on to the pyramid of food idea is just out the window.  It is old, it is damaging to our body.. thank GOD we have BTD to prevent later (middle) age from including insulin shots every day.


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Does anyone have experience with taking bio identical estradiol - such as the Vivelle Dot?
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a search might be in order......see what others have said about their experience using bio identical hormones.....
http://www.google.com/custom?q.....itesearch=dadamo.com


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Stopping all grains did more for me than any other dietary change.

Before taking estrogen, how about trying freshly ground flax seeds, black cohosh and maca?

Fembalance is a very good balancing formula that is available in the BTD store.



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also, Aromatase converts androgen to estrogen


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Good reminder Victoria, about those grains.  It seems like I crave rice!  I have to say that yesterday am I made some apple oatmeal scones with spelt as the flour.  I added some flax seeds.  Today my weight is down several pounds from yesterday.  Other than those scones, I ate salmon salad at lunch on a multi grain tortilla(which did have a bit of avoids) and took a 3mile hike, had steak & yellow squash with lemon & oregano for dinner, no wine.....I wish I could keep it up, stay consistent, get out more of the grains.   When I crave them, I wonder what I should use as a substitute.  Do you do lots of raw veggies, or nuts for snacks?  If my belly was gone, I'd be doing fine.  It's the only place I'd call fat on my right now.

I am taking fembalance and explorer supps, just saw Lola's post about Aromastase, wonder if that would help?
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Stoosh, my wife took bio-identical progesterone to boost her fertility.  I was giving her intermuscular shots.

After a couple of months of concerted effort to get everything "just right" without success we just took a break.  In her second cycle into the break, she conceived our daughter.  She found that her extreme PMS pain was alleviated after the treatment.

Bio-Identical is good, but should be monitored every cycle (     I know cost goes up and convenience down)

What kind (and at what frequency) of fat do you eat Stooshy?  I found getting my fat consumption right essential to loosing weight.


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Paul, I know that I need a good amount of fat. How much fat do you consume?
One problem with SWAMI is that it expects you to guess your macronutrient makeup -
I have actually increased in weight since transferring to the Explorer diet - just due to the fact that I have been making Spelt bread and Sprouted Bread - more grain than I was used to. My SWAMI gives me 3 portions of grains for weight loss - I think that is too much for me.
Now I am eating 1 portion of grain for breakfast only, with 2 Tbs Flaxseed. I am sure that fattier fish and fattier red meat/lamb is the best for my system.
I don't know if Sweet Potato is a more beneficial carb than Quinoa - Quinoa is considered a Superfood in my grain section  and I think Sweet Potato is a neutral for me. But it is not a grain.

I am currently eating the lowest I can go to lose weight - I cut out dark chocolate and nuts.

Breakfast: 1 Egg yolk + 3Whites, 2 Tbs Flax Seed, 1 portion Quinoa/Manna Bread/Oats
Morning Snack: Rice Protein/Egg  Protein/Hemp Protein + Water or unsweetened Almond Milk + Berries or 1/2 Apple
Lunch: 5 ounces of fish + Large Green Salad (bokchoy, arugula, spring onions) + 1/2 small sweet potato + 1 tsp flax oil

Afternoon Snack: Rice Protein + Water + 1/2 apple or apple sauce

Dinner: Meat/Turkey + Steamed Asparagus or similar+fresh veggies + 1 tsp oil + sweet potato/sprouted bread.

This is my most stringent diet ever. It will be no longer than 1 week. When I go on maintainance diet I will add 2 more fruit portions - to reach 3 fruit portions daily and add a handful of nuts and a square of dark chocolate. Also may add ghee to my sprouted bread.

By the way, my progesterone levels are good - so there is no need for progesterone cream. My estradiol levels were quite low at 43 for the mid luteal phase (2nd half of cycle) however, they are normal at the first stage. My only peri menopausal symptoms are - A cycle that has shortened to 24 days from 28, tendency to put fat round the middle which I never had in the past and some slight memory issues. No hot flushes and the like yet...

I am also taking Vitamin B Stress that seems to help, plus minerals, Multi Vitamin, Vitamin C, HTP 5, I take a Thyroid medication T3/T4, DHEA and Iodine, L-Tyrosine and L Glutamine if I have sugar cravings.
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Could it be your house that's making you fat?
Clean. Green & Lean
http://www.amazon.com/Clean-Green-Lean-Toxins-That/dp/0470409231#reader_0470409231
how the toxin-fat connection prevents you from losing weight no matter how little you eat or how much you exercise. You'll learn how reducing your toxic burden can help you stay lean for life.


Well, having lost over 10kg since early Dec, I noticed I hadn't lost any more for a wee while now, in fact since we took in a boarder, with his stinky (to me) products?!

After I taped a note to his bathroom door late one night in desperation, begging him to use it only when he was showering at college, (as I had already told him the scent hung in the air & affected me for ages after he used it) the message finally got through!! So, no more toxic smell coming through the plumbing to our bathroom, up the stair well & lingering outside his area of the house... Plus now he has left (yay!!)

Since he stopped using his toxic products in the house & especially since he left on Friday morning, my skin has stopped breaking out & I have also started to lose weight again (about an average of 3/4 of a lb a day?!)

Exercise, type of & amounts of foods have stayed pretty well the same & I have even been adding butter to my meat in the last few days & also eating a small amount of chocolate in the evenings?!

Like a lot of us Explorer types, I'm incredibly sensitive to any fumes, so whether the absence of that has helped the weight loss as well, I'm not 100% sure, but I have heard that some people's weight loss can be affected that way (as supported above)?!
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Good job, Possum!.  It is a reminder that toxins, in whatever form they enter our body, cause the body to work more to rid itself of them and detract from the important work of making us as healthy as possible.


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Thanks ABJoe!!
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btw..... I didn't remarked that I seem to have jumped into *adrenal fatigue* since some years ago... so far no wonder that I don't loose any grams of weight ... have to come along with that thema first .....


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I use adaptogens  all the time to prevent high cortisol together with  vit C, but  the green tea is not protecting me, though I drink as ton of it it since 25 30 years old , as an antiage,  but my belly fat  is a bit too much, despite I am not fat. i gained nealry 2 pounds in the last 2 years. I am walking a lot and since six months Pilates, but it  stays there  nearly all, just a slight improvement. Probably  I am too in adrenal issues. as I go to slep very late and seldom I sleep in a  bit.
Withania or Ashwaganda is useful most of all to protect the thyroid in adrenal issues, is it true ?


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No its not pregnancy!!
1) It is not lack of estrogen - )


You didn't mention if your weight had changed at all or did it just shift to your midsection?
Have you gained weight? How much?  Do you exercise? How much?
I am in the same boat since 2007. I was normal weight and suddenly I put on 30lbs which I've been trying to get off since. The BTD (blood type diet) has helped me so much to just be able to function and go through it. I used to have horrendous headaches from the hormonal changes so the BTD has really helped me.  
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Does anyone have experience with taking bio identical estradiol - such as the Vivelle Dot?


I took it. Even though I'm an A, I have a resessive O gene. I gained 10 lbs using it. I went off BHRT. You can't fool Mother Nature.  
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