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Stooshy
Saturday, August 14, 2010, 11:54pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I am talking specifcally of belly fat that has added on due to hormonal changes....
I have noticed that fat tends to go to my belly more than it used to. Before it went more to my thighs...
I know this is hormonal.

Has anyone (specifically Explorer/O's!)  had success with removing this specific fat? either from Genotype diet or a specific protocol?

If you saw me you would probably laugh - I am used to having a very flat belly and this addition is causing me frustration!
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Have you ruled out pregnancy? I can't give any thoughts yet on this otherwise.
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I was reading about that somewhere and I will have to find it.

It was about how oestrogen allows the body to remove fatty acids from the blood more effectively, reducing the risk of heart attacks and related problems in pre menopausal women. The fatty acids removed from the blood are then stored around hips and thighs, compared to around the stomach area. So less oestrogen means more fat around the stomach and less around the thighs...

I will have a look for the book about that and let you know what it said exactly...
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I have been losing some weight and it came off my thighs, butt & chest
but my lower belly is the worst area.  Still
thinking it's fibroids and hormonal.  I tried taking
vitex and it gives me headaches which makes
me think it's definitely hormonal.....not sure what
protocol to try next.
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No its not pregnancy!!
1) It is not lack of estrogen - My estradiol is at 194 pg/mL (post menopausal is less than 40). The problem may well be unopposed Estrogen (i.e lack of Progesterone):
2) My Progesterone level is slightly low at 2.0 but I am going to retest mid cycle. (post menopausal is 0.078-0.
3) Another suspect is: Higher Cortisol/Stress (my last Cortisol test was at 18..2 ( ug/DL) [normal range: 8-23 AM Cortisol]
compared to last year when it was too low...)
4) FSH was 8.1 (post menopausal is 16.74-113.59)
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It's hormones.  I had the most amazingly flat belly until I got pregnant.  Then after pregnancy, I actually wasn't too bad until I went on the Mirena.  The hormones in that caused me to be heavy in male hormones, which caused the belly fat.

I feel a little better since having it removed, but I wish I had a quick fix, too!  


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No its not pregnancy!!
1) It is not lack of estrogen - My estradiol is at 194 pg/mL (post menopausal is less than 40). The problem may well be unopposed Estrogen (i.e lack of Progesterone):
2) My Progesterone level is slightly low at 2.0 but I am going to retest mid cycle. (post menopausal is 0.078-0.
3) Another suspect is: Higher Cortisol/Stress (my last Cortisol test was at 18..2 ( ug/DL) [normal range: 8-23 AM Cortisol]
compared to last year when it was too low...)
4) FSH was 8.1 (post menopausal is 16.74-113.59)


Its good to see you have a fairly good basic understanding of what is going on with your hormones.
Did your doctor offer you progestins?
Progestins are derived from natural progesterone. Pharmaceutics companies can not patent a natural product and so they change the molecular structure slightly, so that they can patent it. Our receptors for progesterone are quite complex and our bodies often reject progestins, leaving us with some uncomfortable side effects.
You can buy natural progesterone cream and believe me, it does work harmoniously with the body... but don't tell the pharmaceutical companies I told you  
If your progesterone levels are even slightly low, you are suffering from estrogen dominance.

If too many cortisols are present (as in your case) then the symptoms are weight gain (especially around the middle) and blood sugar imbalance.
When cortisols are deficient (as in your case last year) it causes fatigue, low blood sugar and sometimes weight loss.
Both of these can cause chronic water retention because cortisols regulate the balance of minerals in the cells. There is a tendency to hold onto sodium and lose potassium and magnesium.

I have been in a similar situation as yourself and I was able to naturally re-balance myself. I took and still take potassium and magnesium supplement and I take a very rich source of vitamin C (camu camu) because vitamin C is uniquely important to the adrenal cortex. Did you know that vitamin C deficiency adversely impacts on adrenal gland performance?
I also take natural progesterone and I take kelp for my iodine levels. Women who suffer from unopposed estrogen, often start to suffer from thyroid problems.

What you eat and drink, obviously has an enormous effect on your hormone balance.

Treat the cause and not just the symptoms.
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how I can relate to that thema as well...


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If you eat too many carbohydrates, they produce too much glucose, and if the glucose isn't burned up through activity or exercise, they turn to fat, in the abdominal area.

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If you eat too many carbohydrates, they produce too much glucose, and if the glucose isn't burned up through activity or exercise, they turn to fat, in the abdominal area.

carbohydrates are grains (bread,muffins, cookies, cakes etc)
            veggies       potato, sweet potato, yam, certain beans, corn, peas,flour
            sugars        cane,brown, syrups, honey etc
            dairy         milk, cheeses, ice cream, etc.


We shouldn't lump carbohydrates under one heading.

Complex carbohydrates are essential for giving us energy. Our digestive enzymes have to work much harder to break these down. The slow absorption of sugar is what provides us with a steady supply of energy and this greatly limits the amount
of sugar converted into fat.

Simple carbohydrates are digested quickly and so it can be converted to fat much quicker.

Our bodies need complex carbohydrates such as wholegrain and starch. Its worth looking up which beans and root vegetables are complex.

Dairy products are known for rich fat and protein content and yet some dairy products such as low fat milk and plain yogurt contain simple carbohydrates.

I would say that the most simple carbohydrates to cut out of ones diet would be things like pastry, chocolate, cookies and things made from raw sugar.

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I was reading about that somewhere and I will have to find it.

It was about how oestrogen allows the body to remove fatty acids from the blood more effectively, reducing the risk of heart attacks and related problems in pre menopausal women. The fatty acids removed from the blood are then stored around hips and thighs, compared to around the stomach area. So less oestrogen means more fat around the stomach and less around the thighs...


That scares me. Even as a young woman, I've always stored fat in my belly, not my hips or thighs. I've always been at least one size larger in the waist than the hips, sometimes more than that. Eeks- what will happen to me with menopause?


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  13yo B+ Jack


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Being an explorer and also from doing a lot of bodybuilding I am well versed in the "Carb" issues.
I agree that different Carbs affect us differently. I find it a shame that Dr. D didn't detail the optimal macronutrient make up for different blood types. I know I tend to need high protein/low carbs and I think that I do better on fruit and starchy vegetables compared to grain...However, Spelt and Rice are considered Superfoods for me. I try to eat carbs according to my energy demand - i.e more Carbs in the beginning of the day and pre/post workouts.

Seagypsy, thank you for the Vitamin C tip. I hate swallowing supplements and there always seem to be so many that are crucial to take . I guess that Vitamin C should be high on my list and it isn't there... I know that i don't have a magnesium deficiency - when I take it at before bed I feel I lack oxygen and it makes me breathless
I am currently taking Thyroid hormones for my thyroid and it is nicely balanced. I take DHEA and Vitamin D (My Vitamin D level is low). I take anti-deflect for O's and I am taking Vitamin A and B5 for my skin.  

I think I am at a stage that it will be hard to make my nutrition more optimal, and I have become very attentive to how I feel after eating a meal. For example, my body "sings" after I eat my home baked manna bread... Or another example, I am not the type of person who can only eat fruit for breakfast - I have to have a portion of lean protein or I am starved by 11:00...

Regarding fat reserves - women have Alpha2 receptors in the thigh and hip area - this is the hardest type of fat to let go of because it is the "emergency fat" reserve for birth. The only time this area "unlocks" is when you breastfeed... (so if you are breastfeeding this is your time to utilise the window of opportunity!)
Some women who are pear shaped - will probably have more of those receptors around the belly. Regarding belly fat - there is the surface fat and the dangerous "visceral fat" - research says that visceral fat is the "least stubborn fat" and usually comes off first...  

I am just thinking aloud here but I think that my main issue is -
Dealing with stress - stress affects the hormones so strongly!

I did some reading about biofeedback machines. I find it very interesting. Apparently, cold hands are a sign of stress due to constriction of the blood vessels. This correlates with the hypothyroid. I have no doubt that many women suffer from hypothyroids - due to a combination of high stress and diet. Hypothyroids are in our throat chakra - all about communication...

I also want to optimize my supplementation...and have to keep it simple and consistent in order to see what supplements do the best for me.
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I'm drinking a Holy Basil/Green Tea blend that seems to be helping me with stress/cortisol. (Not sure about the Holy Basil for O's). In fact, I reach for it if anything has been upsetting to me and it is very comforting and calms me down. Organic India-- found it at several health food stores

I can't tell if I have lost belly fat specifically or just overall fat. Seems that I lost 5-10 lbs since last time I weighed. My stomach does seem more in proportion than it used to.

I need to figure out what the ideal weight is for me because maybe I'm just not eating enough calories. Or, maybe our scale is goofy. Think we need to invest in a new one. Hubby says if he stands certain ways, his weight fluctuates up to 10 lbs.


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I can't tell if I have lost belly fat specifically or just overall fat. Seems that I lost 5-10 lbs since last time I weighed. My stomach does seem more in proportion than it used to.

I need to figure out what the ideal weight is for me because maybe I'm just not eating enough calories. Or, maybe our scale is goofy. Think we need to invest in a new one. Hubby says if he stands certain ways, his weight fluctuates up to 10 lbs.


AKA - Ideal weight is more like "ideal body fat percentage" which is really "lean muscle ratio".
A healthy range of fat for women ages 30-39 is between 13.4 - 19.1% body fat. 20% is the transition line although health is still good for 20.8-24% body fat. The cheapest way to measure body fat is with simple fat calipers. There are a number of web sites that show you how to measure fat with fat calipers in a number of spots on the body - starting with your stomach. The higher your lean muscle - the better in terms of health. Muscle weighs more than fat, so make sure that you are not losing muscle mass...
Muscle mass is what gives a beautiful shapely body and it helps in any day to day task. It keeps the metabolism high (muscle burns more than fat). If you don't have fat calipers - simply use a tape measure to monitor yourself - i.e waist, thighs, etc. Especially the areas where you tend to put on fat...

If you give me your height/weight I can give you a formula which would be able to estimate how many calories you need to eat every day. However, Dr. D doesn't go into the calorie measurement - probably quite wise, it is hard enough to measure portions throughout the day. The SWAMI gives you a portion recommendation - for example, I need to eat 3.5 portions of lean protein every day...

Hope this helps!!!
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AKA - Ideal weight is more like "ideal body fat percentage" which is really "lean muscle ratio".
A healthy range of fat for women ages 30-39 is between 13.4 - 19.1% body fat. 20% is the transition line although health is still good for 20.8-24% body fat. The cheapest way to measure body fat is with simple fat calipers. There are a number of web sites that show you how to measure fat with fat calipers in a number of spots on the body - starting with your stomach. The higher your lean muscle - the better in terms of health. Muscle weighs more than fat, so make sure that you are not losing muscle mass...
Muscle mass is what gives a beautiful shapely body and it helps in any day to day task. It keeps the metabolism high (muscle burns more than fat). If you don't have fat calipers - simply use a tape measure to monitor yourself - i.e waist, thighs, etc. Especially the areas where you tend to put on fat...

If you give me your height/weight I can give you a formula which would be able to estimate how many calories you need to eat every day. However, Dr. D doesn't go into the calorie measurement - probably quite wise, it is hard enough to measure portions throughout the day. The SWAMI gives you a portion recommendation - for example, I need to eat 3.5 portions of lean protein every day...

Hope this helps!!!


I'm about 5'3" and 100 or 103 lbs according to the (questionable) scale. Yeah, I am concerned about muscle mass and could stand to put on a few pounds, I think. 110 feels about right for me. Am curious about calories, though I think the body adapts and activity level is important as are nutrients. Interesting stuff out about lower calorie/higher nutrient diets for longevity, though I'm looking to possibly start a family in the next few years so wouldn't pursue that route until post pregnancy.

And, thanks!


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I have noticed, since incorporating Green Tea, a 98% gluten-free diet, and Calm Factors supplements (more important for an A-type), that I am losing belly fat without exercise.  My upper abs are starting to show like never before.  I am amazed and delighted.  


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I've been drinking green tea almost daily for years...since...2008 I guess, and it hasn't done anything for my belly fat.  But then again when I was 46 I weighed 137.(5'7") I was a vegetarian. (now following SWAMI I eat fish, turkey, and other poultry..and veal)    Hormones rule.  I'd like Dr. D to become an endo ..thanks I have spoken.  
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Throw out all your plastic food containers and clean up your home environment (i.e. get rid of indoor pollutants). Teflon frying pan = bad. Iron or stainless steel much better.

If you use micro for some reason!
microwave safe plastic only means that it won´t melt in the oven, but the plastic leaches over to the food and affects your estrogens hormones cells etc..

Clean. Green & Lean
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Hormone-Mimics In Plastic Water Bottles Act As Functional Estrogens
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090326100714.htm
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well observed Stooshy.....

I tried to leave kilos also with a huger amount of greentea intake,,,, but nothing worked at that point went onto a 10% progestogel this helped a bit at the very early beginnings and now I observe often it's only waterretention    and of course my deepest needs to move....


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Lost three inches of hard belly fat along with 50 lbs weight!  No extra exercise (who am I kidding, I did no exercise at all)!

I am currently losing more.    Again, I am taking a vacation from GP's blood pressure suppressing meds.

How I did it: Swami with specific recommendation of supplements for my weight/blood pressure related health issues: high blood-pressure/hardened heart/cirrhosis of liver/edema.  I lost weight (probably because of the edema) 2 lbs a day on the diet and was not taking blood pressure suppressing meds as well.

Women in the normally fertile years are hormonally protected from the disadvantages for being "overweight". (I wonder why that would be?)  So peri-menopause or menopause is the time to "do it or rue it".  Like anything that could be put off, earlier is better.


My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.
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Throw out all your plastic food containers and clean up your home environment (i.e. get rid of indoor pollutants). Teflon frying pan = bad. Iron or stainless steel much better.


I just threw out my 10" non stick omelette/fry pan and got an Emeril stainless steel 10" omelette fry pan. It's a little getting used to it. It heats up a lot faster than the non stick..which most probably is aluminum.. I'm trying to replace all my aluminum baking pans with stainless..not easy to find stainless baking pans. They all have that doo doo on them.. I found a stainless pizza pie pan years ago and snatched it up..It's still shiney!  
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