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Oh yeah! The body gets used to and compensates a toxin affecting it.. so when the toxin stops, the body has to re-evaluate and realize it doesn't have to compensate anymore..and it kind of goes into shock IMO for a little while until it realizes its ok now and can relax...    

I was a foodie too. I'm a Taurus. We have the hardest of the entire zodiac as far as maintaining weight. We love gourmet food..rich food. The only thing that stops a lot of us from weighing 500 lbs is our vanity..which can be a good thing.  My coworker who is a Phd and a biochemist is a Taurus. She must weigh 350-400 lbs at 5'4".
Her vanity failed her.    I worry about her because she has two babies 2 and 5.  And when you say "baby steps" this girl goes to a gym and gets a personal trainer and ended up getting hurt and now she can't exercise.  I don't recommend personal trainers for anyone who's obese.  They should just get outside and walk off the weight..so much less stressful for them.  I hate that show Biggest Loser.  One of these days some huge contestant will drop dead  from  a heart attack and the BL will get sued for every penny they have

That's interesting. Maybe that's why I am constipated for weeks when going into major detox mode.


That's sad. I'm not a fan of intense exercise either. I've tried it and it makes me more upset after I'm done than before I start. Think I'll stick to ballet conditioning/yoga/pilates/walking/jogging. I don't like too slow like yoga - bores me to tears.  But too intense just makes me want to kill myself lol. I agree - severely overweight people especially should start off easy since all that weight puts so much stress on their joints. Have to be careful. I haven't really watched Big Loser that much but the few times I have - yeah, I do not envy them lol.

Intense exercise often doesn't work well for me. I don't breath hard enough to justify how hard I am working, and then I can't increase how hard I am working right. But when it feels good, like my body is transfering enough oxygen, and I feel the muscle burn (often it is just cramping and numbness) as they stretch and contract... well I love it. I'm not sure what I like better, if anything? That is one reason why sometimes I loved dancing and wanted to excel at it... all over now   Now I can't even sleep well, let alone convince myself that something isn't true about my body so I'll believe in working hard to benefit, physically.

I don't watch BL either really, but when I have seen it at my mother's place, you certainly watch the Warriors just sort of give up while some people go from flab to fab (literally, some of them come away looking amazing).

Quoted from DoS

Intense exercise often doesn't work well for me. I don't breath hard enough to justify how hard I am working, and then I can't increase how hard I am working right. But when it feels good, like my body is transfering enough oxygen, and I feel the muscle burn (often it is just cramping and numbness) as they stretch and contract... well I love it. I'm not sure what I like better, if anything? That is one reason why sometimes I loved dancing and wanted to excel at it... all over now   Now I can't even sleep well, let alone convince myself that something isn't true about my body so I'll believe in working hard to benefit, physically.

Why aren't you able to dance any more? I saw you had mentioned that earlier but didn't want to intrude. Dancing is the only intense exercise I like. Probably because dancing to music just makes everything feel right (to me).

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I don't watch BL either really, but when I have seen it at my mother's place, you certainly watch the Warriors just sort of give up while some people go from flab to fab (literally, some of them come away looking amazing).

That's really annoying (for the Warriors). Also probably doesn't make them feel very good about themselves.

Quoted from DoS

Uh or the fact that their bodies respond (positively) to hard exercise all day long and Warriors do not.

I used to be an athelete (figure skater) and my body was used to hard exercise. Sometimes if your body is used to hard exercise you have to do some kind of a little higher intensity than yoga. lol  I tried to lose weight just walking.. not. Maybe if I walk 2 hours but I'm only up to 30-45 mins now.  I have now added Qi Gong back to my exercise routine.  Supposed to practice 30 mins to 2 hours a day. Last night I practiced 30 mins almost. I find it sooooo relaxing.  I can't believe I stopped it when I first started it.  But at the time my life was crazy.. 2 sons in school and a sick mother and I had just bought it and didn't realize the power of it.  So.. I'll be a lab rat and see how it affects my weight and health.  I need to drop the same stupid 30 lbs.  

I had no weight problem when I was youger as long I was vegetarian.  I weighed 137 at 5'7".  I slowly added meat back to my diet and my weight slowly went up...

Quoted from Jacquie

Why aren't you able to dance any more? I saw you had mentioned that earlier but didn't want to intrude. Dancing is the only intense exercise I like. Probably because dancing to music just makes everything feel right (to me).

My body is not flexible enough, and I can't lose weight. Plus I can't practice enough (the stress adds up). Dancers have to practice more than many other athletes. They simply have longer days.

I'm only interested in professional dance, modern mostly.

Quoted from DoS

My body is not flexible enough, and I can't lose weight. Plus I can't practice enough (the stress adds up). Dancers have to practice more than many other athletes. They simply have longer days.

I'm only interested in professional dance, modern mostly.

Ah, I see. Well that's frustrating.

Quoted from Mayflowers

I used to be an athelete (figure skater) and my body was used to hard exercise. Sometimes if your body is used to hard exercise you have to do some kind of a little higher intensity than yoga. lol  I tried to lose weight just walking.. not. Maybe if I walk 2 hours but I'm only up to 30-45 mins now.  I have now added Qi Gong back to my exercise routine.  Supposed to practice 30 mins to 2 hours a day. Last night I practiced 30 mins almost. I find it sooooo relaxing.  I can't believe I stopped it when I first started it.  But at the time my life was crazy.. 2 sons in school and a sick mother and I had just bought it and didn't realize the power of it.  So.. I'll be a lab rat and see how it affects my weight and health.  I need to drop the same stupid 30 lbs.  

I had no weight problem when I was younger as long I was vegetarian.  I weighed 137 at 5'7".  I slowly added meat back to my diet and my weight slowly went up...

That's really cool. I always wanted to be good at figure skating. When I was a kid I settled for making an art out of falling instead (liked the attention I guess)

I just tried Tai Chi for the first time recently and man, was I bored. It's like I can't force myself to slow down THAT much and I can't force myself to speed up too much either. I like some middle ground at a steady rhythmic pace.  I wish it weren't so because of all the benefits you get from those types of spiritual exercises. I guess my mind tends to race a bit which is fine as long as it's about something I'm passionate about.

Anyways, what about a combination of walking and jogging? Have you tried that?

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I just tried Tai Chi for the first time recently and man, was I bored. It's like I can't force myself to slow down THAT much and I can't force myself to speed up too much either. I like some middle ground at a steady rhythmic pace.  I wish it weren't so because of all the benefits you get from those types of spiritual exercises. I guess my mind tends to race a bit which is fine as long as it's about something I'm passionate about.Anyways, what about a combination of walking and jogging? Have you tried that?

I had both of my hips replaced in 2004 so I can't jog.   I walk though 30-45 mins. I slacked off because I hurt my one hip and was resting it...plus the weather was bad.. So now today I'm planning on walking during my lunch hour.    

I hear ya about the tai chi.  This chi gong is only 7 exercises. I practice usually at night because it relaxes me before bedtime.  It's so meditative. I can practice all 7 or just focus on one exercise for 10-30 mins. I really need the stress reduction. I can't do yoga. Every time I've done yoga, I've hurt my joints because they are hyper extending. I didn't realize what the problem was until the Ortho notice my arm bowing out when I sat on the table and he warned me to be careful stretching beause I had the HE joints.  So that explained it! Chi Gong is better for me.. especially as a Warrior.. Tai Chi is a Martial Art girl!   I used to be a big fan of Kung Fu when I was 18 and all the KF movies were out. I took lessons for a while then they went out of business and they wanted me to come to China Town in NYC to learn from a master, and my parents were NO on that.    I was only 18 at the time.

I did tae kwon do when i was younger.  I loved it but we moved. I now enjoy tai chi but if I have had a stressful day it is difficult at first to slow down.  I can't find chi gong classes anywhere, I want to try it.

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I had both of my hips replaced in 2004 so I can't jog.   I walk though 30-45 mins. I slacked off because I hurt my one hip and was resting it...plus the weather was bad.. So now today I'm planning on walking during my lunch hour.  

What a bummer. I'm sorry you have trouble with your hips. I hope you find something that works really well for you.  

Quoted from Mayflowers

I hear ya about the tai chi.  This chi gong is only 7 exercises. I practice usually at night because it relaxes me before bedtime.  It's so meditative. I can practice all 7 or just focus on one exercise for 10-30 mins. I really need the stress reduction. I can't do yoga. Every time I've done yoga, I've hurt my joints because they are hyper extending. I didn't realize what the problem was until the Ortho notice my arm bowing out when I sat on the table and he warned me to be careful stretching beause I had the HE joints.  So that explained it! Chi Gong is better for me.. especially as a Warrior.. Tai Chi is a Martial Art girl!   I used to be a big fan of Kung Fu when I was 18 and all the KF movies were out. I took lessons for a while then they went out of business and they wanted me to come to China Town in NYC to learn from a master, and my parents were NO on that.    I was only 18 at the time.

Yeah, yoga can get sort of crazy. The Chi Gong sounds like a great idea though before bed time.

Too bad you didn't get to learn from a master That would have been fun. I did tae kwon do when I was a kid but only earned a few stripes.  The next summer I did karate and just earned the gold belt.  I'm terrible at memorizing moves.  I'm not a robot. I'd rather do something free-style. I do understand the purpose of it though but I knew I couldn't get any further than that even if I wanted to because I'm terrible at memorizing movements. Which is why I could never follow a dance workout. I just make up my own stuff.

Quoted from Serenity

I did tae kwon do when i was younger.  I loved it but we moved. I now enjoy tai chi but if I have had a stressful day it is difficult at first to slow down.  I can't find chi gong classes anywhere, I want to try it.

Glad I'm not the only one who has trouble I've never tried Chi Gong either. You should try a dvd or something.

Yes, good idea i will check out ebay/amazon for a dvd  .
I do find it easier in a class with an instructor but should get the basics from dvd.

Note to self - never eat an Italian panini ever again even when cheating.  Ugh!  It had salami and prosciutto on it - two things which I haven't had in a long, long time. Caused major sinus build up.

In other news I've figured out a way that I actually enjoy doing yoga. I just look at the different moves online and I do them myself in whatever order I choose after my jog instead of following a dvd. It feels more natural to just do whatever my body feels like doing and since I'm listening to music at the same time it's very relaxing and invigorating. I actually used to contort my body in different ways when I was younger just for fun before I even knew what yoga was. I didn't realize I was even doing some yoga moves. They are really fun to do and it really does help relax me.

I also did yoga type moves when I was young without knowing what I was doing but if felt good to stretch & challenge myself!

I am wondering if any other warriors experience weird & troublesome symptoms then go and get tests done & they find nothing?
It happens to me at least once a year I get a set of symptoms which looks suspiciously like the typical presentation of a specific disease (this time gallstones) my GP sends me off immediately for a stack of tests only to discover that everything is perfectly ok.  It is frustrating because I hate tests & hate wasting time not to mention the hundreds of dollars out of pocket!!  
I guess at least everything is fine but it doesn't explain what caused the intense pains so I don't know what the trigger was to avoid that again.

I think I may have over did it or did something wrong because my lower back is sort of sore. I lay on the carpet when I do it but maybe that's not soft enough.

Have you tried process of elimination? What sorts of things do you usually eat? Where does the pain occur?

Jacqui, do you lie down on your back, bend your knees & rock them gently from side to side?  Ever tried homeopathic Arnica?  you can get it at most health stores as a rub and pills.

I have been really good but did have a stressful day so after getting the all clear the GP is suggesting it was an IBS flare up... i guess back to the digestion protocol?  I have deflect & polyflora but will have to get the other supps i think.
Last year around the same time it was different symptoms.  I think it is this time of the year which doesn't agree with me

Hmm I have never heard of homeopathic Arnica. I will have to check that out thanks. Maybe I should practice the yoga poses on the bed or something. I've never done the the knee rock thing you mentioned. Will have to try that too.

I hope you feel better soon!

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Jacqui, do you lie down on your back, bend your knees & rock them gently from side to side?  

This exercise helps me more than any other. For disc problems, hip joint flexibility, sciatica (w/possible PAD issues), and digestive health.

Try this also: knees bent, relax your abdominals and press around the side of your "6-pack" and down along the inside ridge of your hip bone. Gently at first, but you can get pretty deep with good results. You might feel some zingers...these are fixations that once released can bring much better circulation to those areas resulting in more efficient organ function, including digestion. I learned about this during physical therapy to increase circulation in my hips to relieve hip pain and "lead legs". Found out a section of my GI was asleep at the wheel, causing the symptoms you describe.

Thank you. I will definitely have to give that a try.

I definately have a few of those zingers you mentioned

Like an electrical charge shooting across the abdomen, yes? It's good to work them out regularly. Best if the GI is empty, and after some "exploration" you'll find some trigger points around the spine and hips that can be accessed from the front. be gentle with this, though.

I practice Chi gong instead of yoga. I keep getting hurt when I do yoga. The last time I messed up my knee pretty bad by overstretching.  

Averno, it is exactly like an electric zap mostly on my right side just under the rib cage, shoots upwards on a bad day sometimes towards centre thus it seemed like gallstones!  When i get a colon irrigation the practitioner always presses in this exact place & across to other side.
Mayflowers, I can no longer do inverted poses in yoga, every time I do the next day my neck is stiff. But I love the philosophy, the "warrior" poses and balance poses.  
We don't have a Chi Gong centre nearby (but would enrol the second one opened!) but I go to Tai Chi as well as yoga each week & without them I would be in a sorry state indeed!

Hmm maybe I should ease into the stretches more slowly then. The jogging just pumps me up so much I tend to have a hard time slowing down afterwards.

Quoted from Jacquie

Hmm maybe I should ease into the stretches more slowly then. The jogging just pumps me up so much I tend to have a hard time slowing down afterwards.

Stretch as needed, but consider Yoga, Chi Gong, Tai Chi, etc to be primarily concerned with the mind-body connection. The connection you make with vigorous exercice is one kind, Yoga etc. another. They are certainly compatible, even beneficial one to the other. But trying to do Yoga while you're jazzed? Give it a while and approach it properly.