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tessUK
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The first thing that struck me when I came across the 6 Genotype categories was...hmm... that reminds me of the Heilkunst homeopathic constitutions-of which there are also 6. Constitutions in Heilkunst essentially relate to the 'essence' of someones being-the way they relate and react to the world, their preferences in things like food and sleeping position, the type of symptoms they tend to manifest when in a state of imbalance, and even physical characteristics. Constitutional prescribing is used in Heilkunst to support the healing proess in a patient, through strengthening the constitutional aspect of their lifeforce.

The second thought I had then was...do they translate? And reading through Dr D'adamos descriptions of the genotypes I started to get the feeling...wow they seem to! I asked my homeopath this question and he said...possibly. (But that they measure different things.)

I would love to be in a position to research this-I guess one way would be to use Heilkunst patients who have had their constitution classified by a Heilkunst practionner-send them to Dr D to get genotype classified, and then see if each constitution is consistently falling into the same genotype category. (The homeopathic constitutions are also known as Genotypes just like Dr Ds, by the way.) Anyway for now it is a very tentative theory (less theory more thought really) but I thought it might be fun if people would like to see how well they match up with their constitutional counterpart! Please comment and let me know! I find psychology fascinating and it is always cool to know more about what makes yourself and others tick.  

Here is the translation, as I judged it.

Warrior-SILICIA
Hunter- PHOSPHOROUS
Teacher- LYCOPODIUM
Gatherer-PULSATILLA
Nomad-CALCAREA CARBONICA
Explorer-SULPHUR


A bit about each constitution: (from naturalworldhealing.com and 'The Path to Cure' by Allyson McQuinn )

SILICIA: (From Sand, quartz) Many facets, durable, holds to principles, conscientious.  When stressed or ill may lack animal warmth, cold hands and feet, lasting exhaustion from mental exertion, hard, inflexible, critical of others and self.

...we can often identify them physically as the tall, lean, refined and elegant creature they are as they seem to stretch themselves closer to the cosmos on even a physical level. They are IQ types and derive energy from being alone. They are often noted for their intellectual prowess, logic and sense of  righteousness and justice. They can be quite reserved and cool emotionally and often have to stretch themselves to relate to their feelings and risk allowing others into their inner world.

PHOSPHOROUS: (From metallic Phosphorus, which burns brightly) Radiates a captivating energy, spontaneous and calls upon her/his strong psychic sensitivity and extrasensory perception. When stressed or ill, they may lack sustained energy to carry out their plans, and their many imagined goals may dissipate and be unrealized.

...they are considered the soul of all constitutional genotypes, the fundamental quality of the soul being exprssion and expressivity of being. They are EQ types and you usually know you are in the presence of on when you are mesmerised by their sparkling eyes and bubbly personality. ...They are fun to be with; however if you feel uncomfortable in their presence, it is often due to their lack of boundaries. Phosphorous can often get frustrated with how society does not generally valuetheir strengths as they are often perceived as flightly or unable to persevere when tasks become routine or mundane. They thrive in a changeable environement. They are usually very attractive physically and energetically.  

LYCOPODIUM: (From Club Moss: protective cover for the earth; dried, burned in science class to make a volcano.) High self-esteem, resilient, adaptable, can burn brightly. When stressed or ill may become detached, distrustful of extremes (intellectual or emotional), avoids confronting problems on deeper levels of relationships.

Lycopodium has the potential to operate in the realm of pure reason and intellect when unencumbered by disease. They are 'cool' emotionally and very rational and pragmatic in their thinking. These types are orderly, socially adept, adaptive and politically astute... Lycopodium people know how to dress well and you will findthem well groomed. They care very much how they appear... social status is very important to these types.  

PULSATILLA: (From the Wind Flower). Delightful personality, radiant, lovely in moving with the winds of events. When stressed or ill may feel blown about, changing mind, dependent on others for support. [May 2008: Has innate sense of the value of human relationships and God's plan for human society. Fairness and support are expectations, and lack of receiving these from society can be extremely distressing.]

Pulsatiilas live by their gut instinct or intuition...they are warm, earthy and often very maternal. Their connection to family is quite profound and they are usually surrounded by those they love since they pefer company over solitude. Some pulsatillas are prone to blush, to timidity and to imagined fears. They are also known for their chamelon-like abilities and they work well in environeents where they can don a variety of personas. Traditionally they are often depicted as plump, cherubic types with changeable natures.

CALCAREA CARBONICA: (From Oyster shell) A pearl, lustrous personality (Mozart, Helen Keller), can be a very hard worker. Understands others, by nature a nurturer. When stressed or ill may become isolated, defensive, obstinate, insecure, lethargic, and inactive.

Calc carb is represented by the body-these types are quite affable and easy going.They are dependable and solid in their relationships. They make awesome parents as they are natually very loving. Setting boundaries comes quite easily out of their tenacious, often stubborn side... They gravitate towards routine and constancy which provides them with a security necessary to their being. They love a systematic approach to everything. Physically they can tend towards being overweight as they are not as motivated to be active as other constitutions are.

SULPHUR: (From the element Sulphur) Strong, hot, fiery personality, generous in giving out energies and  money. When stressed or ill may show self-aggrandizement, over-taxing his/her ability to give, become dirty, smelly, disorganized. Would rather rip off a button than deal with a challenging buttonhole.

Sulphurs are usually detected before they enter the room as their energy procedes them! They are passionate 'living for the moment' explorers ( ) who exhibit a fearless, open and earthy approach to life. They have a black and white way of looking at the world ad many will say they are rather argumentative as they seem driven by their egos to confrontation. Suplhurs, 'think outside the box' and they are naturally self educated, tactile learners. They are quick tempered, have passionate love affairs and will tend to ignite over issues they deeply care about.

Let me know what you guys think!!






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The first part of pulsatilla fits all our gatherer family but also my mother who would have been a nomad. But we are both very happy to be on our own. I moved my business home for that reason. BD is the same way. Timid is not something any of us would be called. I think most would call us outspoken, and maybe a few other names    So some fits some doesn't. but we don't usually see ourself as others see us.


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yeah, i think we fit the sulfers better than the one that coralated to gatherers. accept for body shape i don't feel like i fit any of the pulsatilla=gatherer. i sertanly don't exspect any fairness from the world or the suport of others, unless it is family and that only from exsperiance that they WILL be there if possible, and i like solitude.
that said it fits an aunt to a t to be sulfer. te hehe.


nothing to do? who has that!?
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..... and after they know who someone is-- then what do they do? how does it compare to the solutions required to function optimally.

Recently,  I am observing the differences of diets for my body self.. adapted as I progress through life. I am especially impressed how my newest 'diet' is much more connected to bitter foods - I find that just interesting and wonder what will happen to my thinking / being after I am on it for a while? (all diets I have been on are O related but the differences within them are stunning.)

so in the above, would a person ever change from one section to the other? would one want to make such a move? or would it be unnerving?  

(we had a 'similar' discussion many years ago - wonder what ever happened to that -compared to now, when so much more is known by the people here.  Peppermint Twist you may remember it way back when before 9/11.)  

I see my sister in one of the above, clearly seems to be her.... what would be her 'remedy"?

I cant find my self.. why?  am I to stuck in one and want to be the other??

Interesting.. Thank you for sharing this.. certainly adds to the conversation..


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another system leads also to Rome ... ahem...sulphur....hmmm ...I prefer MBTI dito the enneagram and then beware of all ...we are mixed peoples....
ahhaaa... now I got it why Homeopathy doesn't work for me......
but instead I prefer to go for orthomolecular medicine and phytotherapy....


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Quoted Text
(we had a 'similar' discussion many years ago


which was your ID then?


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Lola, I don't remember.. but I think Peppermint Twist might remember.  

so in the above, would a person ever change from one section to the other? would one want to make such a move? or would it be unnerving?  -- as in - does the brain control our being or the food we eat change who we are?  or are we "destined' to be what we are under this system from birth to death???

(we had a 'similar' discussion many years ago - wonder what ever happened to that -compared to now, when so much more is known by the people here.  Peppermint Twist you may remember it way back around 9/11.)


Thanks Lola for all your post monitoring.


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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TessUK, that is amazing! Though not all characteristics listed can be found in one, and as Amazone says, we are a mix most of the time, I find that the warriors, teachers, nomads, hunters, gatherers and explorers I know personally tend to have quite a few of the characteristics listed!



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Dear Tess,

There is also another system of personality classification, which is based on not only Ayurved but also on some Greek philosophers' ideas. Originally they had four types and later they have made it five. I also find some similarities on some of the types described by Dr D. I also sense some relations of the types with blood types. The five types are:

Sanguine
Phlegmatic:
Choleric:
Melancholic
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Thanks everyone for your feedback.

It is understood that every person has all six constitutions within them to a certain degree, but that usually one of the six tends to bleed through and color the state of health or constitution. Also it is worth noting that these constitutional types relate essentially to a person in a full state of vibrant health, positive personality traits can be obscured by disease characteristics. When I came to Heilkunst I would not necessarily have known I was a Phosphorous type from reading a description. However as treatment has progressed, and energetic blockages removed, the 'Phosphorous' traits like sociability, emotional reactivity and expressiveness have more and more started to show through in my personality.

Goldie: It is my understanding that the constitutions are fairly fixed from birth. Certainly if one were to change-it would not be a concious 'choice,' these dynamics operate at the unconcious level.

Amazone l: Heilkunst medicine is very different to classical homeopathy (which offers arund a 15% success rate) and I'm quite confident Heilkunst treatment would work for you or anyone.

Kumar and Jonas: Thank you for your interest and I am glad if you feel like you could take something useful away from this!
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Kumar: Ayurdevic/greek types relating to Heilkunst constitutions! You might fin interesting: http://hpathy.com/homeopathy-papers/treatment-of-children-their-temperaments-and-constitutions/
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I'm a Hunter and have thought that, using classical homeopathy, PHOS was my type/remedy.  I'm not familiar with the particular branch of homeopathy that you mention.
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I have a roommate who is measurement wise a Gatherer but he might be more of a mesomorph, or endo-mesomorph at least. He could be a mix with an Explorer...

Traits I notice go more in line with Dr. D's comments on Gatherer. He is good at doing home work or painting and things like that which require some concentration "brain work". The part however that I notice the most is the sort of "hormones penetration can be a problem" in line with being emotionally driven. What I mean by that is he is so sensitive it drives me nuts.

I can hardly talk around him without thinking extensively how to cater to him. He makes me feel bad all the time for just being myself even if that can mean "many will say they are rather argumentative as they seem driven by their egos to confrontation" as Sulphurs may be. I know a lot of people that would never think twice about anything I say but he does all the time. I am tired of thinking for him and feel it puts a cramp on my creativeness in social situations. He entertains me on pretty much nothing except what I specifically conjure up for him. I usually just get a flat face and a remark like "I don't like that" or something.

He is also Type O and very much a "my way or the highway" sort of guy. He is likely to borrow stuff but not lend. He will ask you to join in on things but turn down things you want to do. In a room of people he is often over bearing, funny, and loud.

I am just gaining muscle back now that has been gone from my body for a long time. My digestive system is just getting regular flow so I can eat enough so my body will for instance heal my skin spots. There are good and bad mental aspects coming back. I am regaining some self confidence to be more independent. This means I am not as interested in catering to his world so I will object to different things or straight out say no or that "I do not care." It is hard for him to handle, me being independent and having a voice for myself. Then he gets all moody about how it goes because I am offensive or not communicating well as he says (thinking for him).

The last interaction we just had was, as I am engaged doing something on my computer.

Type O: Did you make ginger rice?
Type A Me: Yeah but it did not work out.
Type O: Is it edible?
Type A Me thinking great does he want to eat it?: Duh.

Then it went into him complaining that saying "duh" is not constructive and that it is bad communication and most people would not be on the same page as me on that. I did not say duh to offend him but rather "wake up, it was a few slices of ginger in water with rice of course you can eat it, you have made things with ginger a few hundred times, like tea". I told him that I am pretty sure most people would expect a detailed explanation of how ginger could possibly destroy rice at the first question, otherwise if you thought for a mere moment about it you would know ginger could not make it inedible. He could of asked if it ruined the taste or something else as well.

It is funny because we use to argue a lot more on this very subject but with my poor health it mostly went away. It also meant I could not stop thinking, my mind always racing. Now that I can enjoy living in the moment in some way I am going to be punished for everything I say.

I am pretty sure he has no understanding of how me being a little coarse because I am independent, or having humor that sometimes involves things he does not like (anything involving violence which most people think hypothetical impossible things involving violence are funny, it is poking fun at violence, de-powering it by showing its stupidity) and his responses that shut me down on my creative front, criticize me, overall suppressing my natural flow can be very oppressive. That coupled with his "my way" - which he wants to think is a collective thought - nature is oppressive.
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As a Teacher, according to your homeopathic remedy theory this is how I compare.

Lycopodium has the potential to operate in the realm of pure reason and intellect when unencumbered by disease.

This statement seems rather true.

They are 'cool' emotionally and very rational and pragmatic in their thinking.

Again, I feel this is true about me.

These types are orderly

Whoa, not me at all...I'm not so orderly until  I assess a mess and decide I can't stand it anymore.
I randomly put things here and there..and then after a long while, it all irritates me and I have
to create order.  But by nature, I'm disorganized.


socially adept

Have no clue what this really means...I get along with people and have many friends, but social adeptness?   I say Please and thank you...don't cough in people's faces, wouldn't
be rude to someone...and could probably walk into a room and feel comfortable in a crowd of
strangers.  But would I care to do this?  Probably not.



adaptive

I can be adaptive.  Not always happily, but I will go along to keep the peace.

and politically astute

Again, what does this mean?  

... Lycopodium people know how to dress well

I don't think so...I'm an artist...rather don't care a whole lot about dressing well.  My clothes
are clean and I like some of them, but on the whole, dressing up or going places that require
the proper clothing annoys me. I prefer comfort over style.


and you will find them well groomed.

Well, my hair is combed...I always shower...care about being clean...I sometimes wear makeup if I'm going somewhere important...  My clothes are clean and not torn or stained...but well groomed?  An arbitrary statement.

They care very much how they appear...

No, that's not me.

social status is very important to these types.  

OMG..nada....  Social status is the last thing I'd ever think about as it relates to me.

So, my observation about this theory is that I'm either less a Teacher or less of a person that resonates with lycopodium.  And given I've done a SWAMI and it states I'm a
43% Teacher and that's something I trust and believe in, I would have to assume that lycopodium wouldn't be my remedy of choice.


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Whoa, not me at all...I'm not so orderly until  I assess a mess and decide I can't stand it anymore.
I randomly put things here and there..and then after a long while, it all irritates me and I have
to create order.  But by nature, I'm disorganized.




That's me.


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That's me.


But this hypothesis was associating Teachers in relation to the remedy, lycopodium....

How well do you match the silica description which is supposed to coincide with Warriors?

SILICIA: (From Sand, quartz) Many facets, durable, holds to principles, conscientious.  When stressed or ill may lack animal warmth, cold hands and feet, lasting exhaustion from mental exertion, hard, inflexible, critical of others and self.

...we can often identify them physically as the tall, lean, refined and elegant creature they are as they seem to stretch themselves closer to the cosmos on even a physical level. They are IQ types and derive energy from being alone. They are often noted for their intellectual prowess, logic and sense of  righteousness and justice. They can be quite reserved and cool emotionally and often have to stretch themselves to relate to their feelings and risk allowing others into their inner world.




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Dr D say gatherers are usually warm, sensuous personalities... nurturing and forgiving natures. I'm not reading that. Maybe he's not well. Or maybe he has other issues. I'm afraid I'd be looking to change room- mates. Sorry if i've said more than I should. Hope you the best.


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i would defanatly change roommates and i would tell him why on my way out. i've known people like this and i find it best to avoid them as if they were vinagar.


nothing to do? who has that!?
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But this hypothesis was associating Teachers in relation to the remedy, lycopodium....

How well do you match the silica description which is supposed to coincide with Warriors?

SILICIA: (From Sand, quartz) Many facets, durable, holds to principles, conscientious.  When stressed or ill may lack animal warmth, cold hands and feet, lasting exhaustion from mental exertion, hard, inflexible, critical of others and self.

...we can often identify them physically as the tall, lean, refined and elegant creature they are as they seem to stretch themselves closer to the cosmos on even a physical level. They are IQ types and derive energy from being alone. They are often noted for their intellectual prowess, logic and sense of  righteousness and justice. They can be quite reserved and cool emotionally and often have to stretch themselves to relate to their feelings and risk allowing others into their inner world.




Actually, I think 1. I'm a hypochondriac and I feel everything everybody else feels which is why I can't go into counseling, as has been suggested by multiple friends of mine, 2. My postpartum depression is returning and it makes me a little crazy, so you might just have to ignore me for a while.


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Brilliant- what an interesting read !!


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I can hardly talk around him without thinking extensively how to cater to him. He makes me feel bad all the time for just being myself even if that can mean "many will say they are rather argumentative as they seem driven by their egos to confrontation" as Sulphurs may be. I know a lot of people that would never think twice about anything I say but he does all the time. I am tired of thinking for him and feel it puts a cramp on my creativeness in social situations. He entertains me on pretty much nothing except what I specifically conjure up for him. I usually just get a flat face and a remark like "I don't like that" or something.


two things have you moved yet?  

1   you are ill suited to be with this partiqular person no matter what he is or you do..

ahve you moved yet or thrown him out?

2    you are having a wonderful opportiunity to learn how to stand up for YOU in YOUre
life!!  

NOTHING you will ever need is as big as this lesson.. learning to stand up and not feel guilty.. better a roomate than some husband type of relationship..

I am coming in late and did not read all replys.. good luck moving and cleaning this guy out.. there is a song about Jessy .. washing him out of your hair..  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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paul clucas
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Kyosha Nim
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The youngest child is often a catch all for all the neuroses of the older siblings.

I should know - I married one.  

Kumar, that system would be the classic greek humours if you dropped the Supine.
These match up with Keirsey's four temperments which are often presented with the MBTI temperment letters.

Sanguine        Artisan     SP
Phlegmatic      Rational    NT
  Choleric        Idealist     NF
Melancholic    Guardian   SJ

As Isa has noted the full MBTI is not fully descriptive of a person.  The Architect - Keirsey's name for the INTP personality would only be useful in describing me as a teenager.  Since then I have grown beyond this narrow box.


My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.
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Ee Dan
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Thought i would rehash this for newer members.  Interesting and fun stuff.  I like the personality stuff more than anything else!
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