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jayneeo
Friday, March 19, 2010, 8:24pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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yes B's can be gatherers! Welcome to the gatherers unite thread!
Frosty, Dr. D will be happy to work with you-never doubt that! I think he is very good with gut issues!
Are you eating ghee? Please keep us posted on your progress.
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Years ago.. TIME FRAME before BTD: I was sick as can be.. tired to the point of not wanting to breath for it was to much effort.. I was in pain I was depressed, I gained weight, ........ all that went away after I went on BTD.. I ate pounds of meat zx a day and salad and some veg.. I at lots of walnuts..  icecream when I had to. coffee not always on off for 6 month at a time.. fruit some .. I learned to be happy with FODD real food.. I learned over years to eat more normal portions.. BUT all along I started feeling better..

it was over night (feeling better when "I" gave up all dairy) but it took a short time for me to feel better and SEE  daylight at the end of the tunnel.. yes I have issues with sugar with heart issues as I will get worse getting older.. but INSTINCTIVELY i learened that BTD was making me better.. and compared to then .. I AM on OLIMPIAN today.. I can choose to eatright.. I can choose to follow Geno, I have choices to take a walk or not and I have choices in the future of my life.. WITH BTD GENO.. I did not have any of those choices while going to regular doctors and following their advise.. That may work for others but it did not work for me.. I KNOW where my health comes from I know that you are here becasue it is THE right place for you.. follow geno follo BTD I think you will win in the end.. even if some changes are slow in coming.. just staying away from chicken will prevent cancer.. for you.. and that is just one benefit.. imagine how many more you might find.. stay here.. be encouraged.. struggle, enjoy it love it brag about it and cheat a little when you have to .. its all part of living life.. (by the way I see my reg doctor ever y 2 month so he can test ma and see how I keep ahead of the disasters or become better one day at a time..

hormones are on issue but I think Candida can be another .. ask for Diffusing for one dose and see if that might clear up a lot.. or at least enough to make most items go away..

If i am coming on to strong its not meant that way.. good luck..  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Oh you are not coming on to strong.. I started the BTD right after the new year in 2009 and did rather well on it, felt very good, but no weight loss.  I  had been having abdominal pain since Aug of 2008 and it continued to get worse.  I followed the protocol in Dr. D's encyclopedia and nothing seemed to work.  I called my cousin in Seattle who is a ND and she supported all of his protocol.  It was getting bad, the docs thought it could be a bowel obstruction or intestinal hernia, but I didn't want to do anything until my husband got home from overseas.

My husband came home from Afghanistan and we went to Puerto Vallarta before he went back to civilian work.  It was there that my problem scared him.  We were in a foreign country and I was having an episode worse than any other.  My husband is a physician and this really got his attention and quick!!!  Thankfully it was on the last night of our vacation.  When we got home he made some calls and got me in to see some specialists that he felt would get to the bottom of everything.  Thankfully, they did.  It took 3 and half months and a laproscopic surgery and I was feeling better.  I have not had a problem since December of 2009 knock on wood.   Please note: My husband, John, doesn't usually get involved in my healthcare.  He comes home from work and really doesn't want see anymore patients for the day.  I can talk to him about things, but he won't treat me.  To him that is a conflict of interest and doesn't like to cross that line.  

I have very few hormone issues going on, I had a hysterectomy 7 years ago and don't take hormone.  Perhaps that is the problem?  I do have osteoperosis and am anemic, which I  believe that has been brought on by low stomach acid.  I don't have any signs of candida.

My husband has been supportive of the BTD as well as the GTD.  In the beginning he was a little skeptical, of the GTD because some of it contradicted what I had been doing with the BTD.  He follows the BTD for A's and was sold on it when he felt better, more energy etc... and he is only 75% compliant.  I just talked to him as he has been deployed again and he is doing very well following the BTD where he is at.  My biggest obstacle with him was getting him off of diet coke and I am happy to say "he has been diet coke free for quite some time now"... WOOOHOOOO!!!  

Thanks for your feedback I do appreciate it.  And YES I EAT GHEE!!!  Love it and use it a lot.  I am the ghee making queen in this house.  Now got my parents hooked on it.... hehehehehe


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dose seam odd. double check your measurments?
any one eale try kombucha tea? it tastes like sour wine and fizzes more than a shaken coke! i love it,and it comes in alot of combos. like green (spirulina and choleara) and mango, and one they call botanic no.3 that has elderberry in it.
oh if you want elderberry you can get it from nutsonline.com
i have not seen the turky tenderloins. all i see here is frozen whole, the breasts, legs (for some unknown resone) and all ground up.... or still on the wing.


nothing to do? who has that!?
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all your problems seem really odd for a b. i had hoped i was one before i did my blood test becuse you get so much dairy. sigh. b's are saposed to be the most balanced of the blood types. a's having the lest stomace acid and o's having the most. yeah i read the whole book not just what i needed. thought i might try to help some of my freinds.
an apointment with dr.d sounds like a good idea becuse something is defantly out of balance. it sounds like your acid glands have shut down and yet holes in the stomac and intesten are usuly caused by acid.


nothing to do? who has that!?
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Fosty, I found ruthiegirl's story interesting. She went to swami now her diet seems to be a combo of gatherer and the BT O and it sounds like you are also needing mixture of the two.(gatherer and B) I felt good on the BT diet but I fell better on the getherer, having said that I've put on weight which I don't need. Hoping I just need to workout more now that warmer weather is here, and some other things that have been taking up my energy are settled. If not I need to get my taster and secretor status done and I'm going to try swami. But I'm staying right here there's a lot to be said for feeling well.

Joli, why I hadn't thought to put turkey in my crock pot I'll never know. I will now.

and thanks to the one who told how to cook green. mine were always bitter, so maybe I've just not been cooking them long enough. I'll try again might put them back into the garden they grow well here


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all your problems seem really odd for a b.  b's are saposed to be the most balanced of the blood types. a's having the lest stomace acid and o's having the most. yeah i read the whole book not just what i needed. thought i might try to help some of my freinds.
an apointment with dr.d sounds like a good idea becuse something is defantly out of balance. it sounds like your acid glands have shut down and yet holes in the stomac and intesten are usuly caused by acid.


I read the whole book too, because I am one that wants all the info not just bits and pieces.   I do seem odd for a B, that is why I thought sure I was a nonnie.  Imagine my surprise to find out I wasn't.  Now the next question is probably going to be are you sure you are a B???  The answer to that is yes, positive.  I had a blood test done several years ago because I wanted to donate my kidney to my daddy.  I was B and my brother was an A.

Oh and let me tell you I am odd.  




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deb,

You gained weight on the gatherer diet?  What was different than O with the Gatherer diet?  Perhaps those few things are triggering weight gain.


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I typed a message then I lost it..

FROSTY.. I started by saying..change your name .. you are not frosty.. you had experienced some horror story already in every section of your life --  welcome to Geno.. I think all that you said.. every word spoke of stress.. unspoken stress.  no wonder you are who you are.. but not frosty.. sunshine, moonshine firewalker, anything but frosty ha-ha  

ok next here is a fantastic link .. reg hormones.. But may not apply to either of us.. (I am too old)

http://www.teleconferenceinfo.net/Suzanne_Somers.html  click on it to hear ...

then again WONDER bread for your B is good for you as you're intestines have sensitive skin to roughage.. meat because its healthier than 'chicken'.. I wonder what you are eating when you gain weight.. oh its easy to do, but there is a reason.. I would keep questioning Seltzer bubbles as good or bad?  coffee??? you might need it to digest your food.. and what did you eat before.. ?  curious .. AND how did you determine to be a Gatherer?? what where the factors that determined you to be a gatherer??  (see even here we are adding stress by us being puzzled) stress everywhere.. do you get many chances to laugh ?? what is your sign?? Your story reads like B ... could it be?  its the Gatherer part we puzzle about.. man I do hope we are not making you seem unwelcome> just you are the black swan amongst us Turkeys.. ha-ha      


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Frosty keep your name, it fits your glowing face, Your the Rose between us Thorns, it interest me, that B's are close in some way, but yet food is quite different, but as a gatherer were the same.  That is Cool.
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Does anyone want to try to list the veggies they eat in a day? It might help us boost the amount up to where it should be ! (more than most folks would ever eat in a day)

Yesterday: spinach, cilantro, watercress, zucchini, collards(for lunch), romaine salad, and artichoke at dinner.
Sounds pretty good? It's a start.
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today, so far, green beans, asparagas, and prego spaghetti sauce
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hey I had made a post and it dissapeard?? must be the lack of carbs??

I had green turnip greens for juice.. 3 oz of mud.. down the thach.. turkey mayo and eggwhites.. so far..

yes Frosty keep the name.. haha


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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i was sick this week and really have not eaten much all week. yesterday i hade chicken wings, green tea,a bottle of kombucha tea, and a bowl of rice all day. the day before was a head of romane and a peace of salmon all day. well when i say all day that was actuly windsday and i did not get out of bed untill 6;30pm. oh well, here it is 1:00 and i have once again relized i have not eaten yet. it's not that i don't eat breakfast, i just eat it latter than most people. after all i will go to work tonight and be up untill 2am. hearing that you would think i was skinny!


nothing to do? who has that!?
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frosty
in reply to your question about gaining on getherer diet:

I'm going to have to take a closer look, but I believe we ate more beans as a family, and I know I ate more fruit. Plums, apple, pears, are easy to get here, but are now black dots. We were big on broccoil, and cucumber which are also black dots now. So I'm thinking I need to work on eating vegetables, because I'm not use to what I have and might be eating more items which are higher cal. Between the weather and time I bet I'm also not exercising as much. Since what I'm eating are new I'll take a closer look  at protion size. I'm glad you asked this question, making me think about what I'm doing. Eather way I feel better so will stay with it through the summer. I hope as I make these life changes my body will even out. I've learn that my system reponds slowly, so I will give it time to "think about it" I can go back to the BT diet or check out swami. Eather way I know the answer is here, and I'll find it. Here.


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The history of my screen name is, that's my 15 year old dogs name.  I have three but my oldest and I have an unbelievable connection.  She saved me from some very dark times in 1998.  So I honor her and her name by using it as my screen name.  Oddly though she is a hairless dog with a beautiful white main on her head, so, where did Frosty come from?  Heck if I know, probably from her white hair on her head.  I got her when she was two from a puppy mill and she had that name.  I wanted to name her Farrah or Barbie, but she didn't answer to either.  Frosty was her name and she wasn't going to answer to anything else.

OH and STRESS???  That is my middle name.  I worry and have terrible anxiety.  It has been a lot better lately, doing well for a good 2 months now... Then my husband gets deployed last monday and when his boots hit the dirt in Afghanistan, I will worry and become anxious again.  

What I was eating when I gained weight was junk.  I am not much of a fried food eater, but I use to LOVE candy.  I then started the BTD and was feeling really good, with no cravings to candy or junk, but no weight loss.  Once I cut rice, a few fruit items and milk, I started losing weight.

I arrived at Gatherer becase my upper leg is longer than my lower leg and I have an one index finger longer on one hand and on the other hand my ring finger is longer and I am gynic.

I am aquarius (yes I know they are odd)...  I laugh all the time... I am a joker and a prankster.

I love coffee, but don't drink it much anymore as it is a "non compliant" GTD food for me.  I never had a problem with it when I drank it on the B diet.  

I have added tomatoes to my diet and lemons, they seem to do very well with me.  On the BTD I couldn't eat tomatoes.

What is this with the WONDER bread?  I don't eat bread anymore, not even spelt.  Not that I can't do gluten, because I am fine with gluten.  The starch holds onto my weight, just not able to really lose weight with it.

Before I forget, I don't eat chicken.  I never was much of a chicken eater because I never felt very good after having it.  So the chicken that is in my house when it is here, is for my A type husband.  He eats quite a bit of it.  Now that he is gone, the only chicken that will be made if for my parents,... One is A and the other is AB.

This is all very interesting as I do feel like the black swan.  I am the only B here and an odd one to boot.

I have also done a very good job of hijacking this thread.  Sorry for that.


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Cucumbers are a black dot?  Wow how did I miss that one?   Good Grief!!!!  Well,.... Thankfully they are not something I eat often.  And now, I won't be eating them at all.


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You know something else I thought was a clue the Neg factor.. but there are as many negs here as are pos.. + - interesting more interesting..  



Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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I don't think anyone can hijack this site. I'm sure everyone will agree your most welcome anytime.
My Dad was in Nam, lives 1/4 mi. from us. He's doing very well for being in his 80's. but I remember the stress of those years. So I'll keep you both in my prayers.


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Thanks for the prayers Deb.  

So glad your daddy is still with you and doing so well.


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thought I'd check some of the thing I'm eating, as well as supplements, first 4 ing. on my calcium are from corn. I don't do well on corn, almost as bad as wheat, I know this isn't what is making me gain weight, but corn will make me hungry since I take on each morning and at night. I also wonder what else I'm missing. Think I'll leave a tablet in kit and take a close look and make notes on whats in and how much. I'll even have my food scale there. look out world I'm on a mission. Next month I'll start ordering at the BT store.


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ahaa! my fish oil,triethyl citrate and ethylcellulose.....corn. Ok I'll get over this.  


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Hi,

I'm also a gather which I concluded from doing the measurments in the genotype book.  Eventually I'd like to do the swami but haven't yet.  I'm pretty new to this way of eating and this forum.

My eating is pretty plain and boring but I don't really care.  My cravings have went away and I just don't want to eat that much anymore.  For now I don't care if I don't have the variety but I suspect that will change as I've only been eating this way a little over a month.   So for now lots of beef, fish and pinneaple and red peppers and peas and cottage cheese.  I feel great but I do need to expand my diet.  

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spi welcome! try a variaty of herbs in odd things. most of them are nutral and there are alot of them out there.
ha! mom you just highlighted what i told that girl in the store about corn not being moderate any more becuse they put it in absolutly every thing! maybe when we go to the heath food store we should see if she has some suplements with out corn. natural coral cal for intance? it's saposed to be better absorbed than most other kinds.


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