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Goldie
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Stargate.. see what Lola Quoted from Dr D ..

I have been on BTD I think since 1993... and for many years before that Atkins.. both meat eating at their base.. but BTD was the fit for me after reading the BTD bock.. While I had bought all the books as they became available .. I skimmed over the diabetes and cardio and cancer books never (mentally) connecting more than just saying oh that is for "my" future.. today I have no choice but to acknowledge that I have diabetes ll and have to deal with it..

I then received the new GENO book and did my Geno test and turned out to be Gatherer.. I feel that gatherer is much less strict in its discussion IN THE BOOK.. not because it is not intended that way but for me I get it that the older books explained much better in detail why how come years ago we needed to be told to change.. today our public general information is greater, and so the book could be less detailed.. actually I am waiting for the next books with happy anticipation..

BUT to your question, why BTD or GENO after one year on Geno I tock the 'which diet test" and it indicated that I should stay on BTD.. so then I went back to BTD but BTD FOR DIABETES.. and I just feel that all the 'restrictions' are better for MY CONDITION...

I feel that Gatherers have diabetes in our future and so PREVENTION is more important for some and I BELIEFE that GENO will do that.  (it might be doing it for all 3 conditions in my inheritance- cancer from mom, heart and diabetes from my father, had I started Geno 15 years ago at your age I might have done myself a lot of good.  BUT the Geno book was not out yet ..so I could not participate in the "prevention' aspects for all those years.. but you can.. so take that test and see what you will be testing out, or look at your inheritances and honestly look into your future- as you have choices today-.. then follow what you learn..

BUT most important I think is testing what foods you can have from both groups of foods and combine SUPER BENEFICIALS from both sets and see how well you are doing.  --- You asked me today, a good day, I just allowed my self to eat almost as many prunes the last 2 days as I felt like.. (maybe not a good thing  sugar wise) but Beneficial never the less, because 4 am today I stood on the scale - because I felt my fingers seemed not to be hurting from arthritis  (another issue) .. and while I have not gone to the bathroom yet this early, I never the less finally seem to have lost 2 pounds.. I don't know where they went, but it seems something got me moving in the right direction.. I was stuck for a while- - so you see IT is all a journey of discovering who you are, or what you are looking forward to and making CHANGES that only apply to YOU..  my motto is just try it..  -- I replaced choc with the prunes -- was I right?  time will tell, but for today, yes I was able to give up choc for BTD/diabetes and replace it with sweet prunes- was I right? I have no idea yet- but My time will tell and I will be HERE to report as that is saving MY health and MY sanity..  so stay a while and ask questions of you and of us.. good luck..  

and do this test..     http://www.dadamo.com/which_diet_is_right.htm



Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!

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thank you battle dwarf---i've been wondering about that. when i answer the questions in the intermediate test, hunter scores a 16, nomad 17, explorer 11, gatherer 9, warrrior 6, teacher 6. i have not done the prop test tho, so that would change some scores...also my finger prints seemed difficult to read and altho i did my best to answer, i feel my readings might be inaccurate. i am leaning strongly toward using swami to help sort things out better, especially since i know i will follow the diets in very hardcore manner, in the hopes of quick and promising results. it's really hard for me to do things half'asked and i really hate the intestinal distress and very tired of it.

thankyou everyone for your suggestions. they have been so helpful. it has also been helpful browsing other threads;)
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Goldie, i found the quote.....just need to determine what that really means--thanks

i do understand what you are saying about trying and testing and waiting to see the results...that all makes sense. it is empowering isn't it , that we can make decisions to influence our genes, both for our own futures, and if we were younger...our future generations also. i feel fortunate that i can share all of this with husband and kids. in a few months when i am feeling very noticeably different and better, i plan on having the kids tested for secretor status and helping them with some changes. they already have read up on their blood types and are open to making changes )

thanks for sharing about the teeth and dental implants and receeding gums. in 3 to 4 months i am scheduled for dental implants. i have many further questions of my dentist after what you wrote about gum recession and your continual pain since having them implanted. my heart goes out to you as i am very steeped in dental mishaps and tooth pain, especially this past year of nightmare with infected root canals come to roost. i saw my dentist had the blood type books on his shelf.....but i will discuss this further with him in terms of my non secretor sensitivities. before he does work on a patient he sends them down the street to LabCorp for a blood draw. then your blood serum is tested against virtually ALL of the material/tools used in dentistry that react with your blood serum. this minimizes any incompatibilities with the materials ietype of fillings/titanium etc that he will choose from. it sounds like you have been down a vey hard path with your teeth this past two years. i hope i can avoid this when it's time for my 4 implants(
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well, you might come up strong for nomad but nomads are type a or ab so you couldn't be that. o's are one of three, hunter, gatherer or exsplorer.for hunters prop makes a differance in strength but not much ealse as far as i could tell. i was a super taster but as i have a large proton of native american so it was not a surprise i could taste it, although super taste was a surprise to me.  


nothing to do? who has that!?
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but i will discuss this further with him in terms of my non secretor sensitivities. before he does work on a patient he sends them down the street to LabCorp for a blood draw. then your blood serum is tested against virtually ALL of the material/tools used in dentistry that react with your blood serum. this minimizes any incompatibilities with the materials ietype of fillings/titanium etc that he will choose from. it sounds like you have been down a vey hard path with your teeth this past two years. i hope i can avoid this when it's time for my 4 implants



I am doing this for 40 years.. first root canal then caps then implants then gold bridges and caps over them..

again: I do have my implants for about 12 - 13 years by now.. yet even the last few days I suffered from the gums and lips in the top front hurting and being all 'chewed' not really but it feels like it.. from not total smoothness from unevenness.. from having done open mouth breathing for a few nights and the gums stuck to the teeth and then the thin skin -like- was torn.. cracked.. ahh just all around  a pain in the but..  

and my tongue also in the same bad shape.. half the skin is rubbed of from the inside - not enough not smoothness of all the work surfaces and work spaces..  

BUT at least now YOU can see what you need to know and then its less of on issue of anger by surprise..

Look not all have my issues but the chemical and electric different inter reactions from the metal screws and gold copings and the white part of the crowns all interact in ways I don't know.. but being able to have some input I think will be interesting.. lets compare notes in 10 years...   BY THE ways despite the many root canals - from I think -clenching after on accident with my neck - I never had any infections.. so I feel for those who do..they are way worse of then I .. I always though of my having a good basic constitution health wise.. and still I was miserable before BTD.. IT saved me..and my teeth..  that is a sure thing!!!!!!


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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I thank you so much for sharing all this with us (me). I plan on sharing your story with my dentist to get his feedback and express my concerns and will see how he responds.

I'll tell you Goldie, when you mention different material/metals in your mouth, I DO remember my new dentist telling me,'first things first....lets get rid of your mercury fillings/root canals--your mouth is like a 'battery' with the different metals interacting in there".  Also should add that this dentist is special indeed, as he follows a protocol set out by dr. hal huggins, the forefather of biological dentistry. before starting any of the invasive work he has a nurse come in and set you up with an IV drip of Vitamin C. This takes about 1/5-2 hours prior to the work beginning but is considered necessary to help with pain/binding to heavy metals in your body for excretion. i'm new on this path, but so far i like his approach and hope your difficulty with your gums/implants is not necessarily something i will have to experience. Like you though, i've had teeth/mouth issues for years---part of being an O non secretor i suppose.  Can your dentist smooth out those rough areas you mentioned?? Would that help? I know it won't help your gums...but will it help in other ways. do you think the gums having receded is a reaction to the implant material?
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set you up with an IV drip of Vitamin C


ouch that sounds like a very corn based laden drip to me.....
my throat shuts immediately!!!
ascorbic acid, citric acid......those are they favorite drips.....vit C, yeah sure


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I don't know what the base is....but that's a good question for sure. Like everything in this world, not EVERY dietary or health regimen works for EVERY person who tries it. Dr. D'adamo said something to this same effect in a video i saw of him, recently.  Apparently if works very well for these folks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSp4VS2wY70

more power to them for finding something that vastly improves their lives, much like how we here are trying to do the same thing for our lives with BTD and GTD!!!

I tend to give my dentist tons of credit for having ER4YT books on his shelf.....and instituting other methods that have proven effective in his practice---kudos to everyone who thinks outside the box)
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your dentist sounds great.. my lips just hurt because they are like papercuts right now.. on the inside..

as long as you know that bridge work lasts 15 years or 20 or a little more.. but that its not forever then you will be ok..


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Goldie--Sorry about your lips( Do you ever get relief from that? It sounds like you are dealing with pain all the time, is that right?
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yes.. with my teeth implants yes.. the rest of my body is better..99.99% better.  

I feel for young people who did their teeth in nice looking caps while young as I was 20 and then find out that after a few years they might lose they perlies and then need implants - in front- not ever knowing that this is the way it is - because the dentists do not tell you that.. often they did not know what the treatment can do, how long it lasts, or what other damage it does. Like silver fillings with mercury, like root canal with formaldehyde leakage.. and for that matter bridge work or metal in partials and plastic in full plates.. my mom must have eaten pounds of gooey pink fasteners.. I wonder what it did to her intestines??  

BUT ok having said all that - I am alive and mostly well.. I think in the olden days I would have been gone for the lack of being able to chew my meat ??   especially if I had to eat it raw after a all day hunt???  I need to keep my humor.. (even though it comes through as passive aggressive) for I am upset, disappointed, and feel that I do not deserve it-- I did every thing I could-- I even worked for a dentist for 10 years -- (he saved my first bridge up to 35 years and had he been alive I would still have that bridge-- he did not need a new Cadillac .... BUT I am angry because I just NEVER expected any of all my troubles.  and Dentist never so much as said: I am sorry..  ...

SO FOR ADVICE:  STAY compliant.. and your teeth will thank you for it. The money you save is money you can spend on BTD/GENO compliant good foods.. and a trip around the world in first class..  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Goldie--honestly you have been through hell....and of course i'd be upset too! It's awful what you've been through. I know what you mean--how do any of us REALLY know when a dentist tells us something, that it is all sincere and necessary work that he is telling you you need. If always had that question. Of course you and I are apt to be skeptical as we have had our share of teeth troubles. People who have escaped dentists and dental procedures or had a few with no repercusssions....well, they have a more embrassing affection for their dentist

I'm glad you feel better in so many other ways....but also wish you could do something to not have teeth/mouth pain.
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THANKS THAT FEELS GOOD.. have a lovely day..  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Is the food list for gatherer's on line somewhere?  I want to put it on my iphone.  I am just starting.
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Hi,

I appear to be a gatherer.

Can't quite wrap my mind around dieting to lose weight when I am pretty skinny (155.5 cm and 48 kg at age 65).  I want to quit being constipated.  Am already into veggies and very low on meat.  Will eat the  veggies in a stir fry made with meat in it, but leave the meat to my husband.

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Is the food list for gatherer's on line somewhere?  I want to put it on my iphone.  I am just starting.
Thanks,
Ellen

No, the food lists are only published in the books for the Genotype Diet.

The only way to get an e-copy of your food lists is to copy the lists from the book into a document and put it onto your phone or get SWAMI and put the output from it onto your phone...


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Quoted from JapanDietEllen
I appear to be a gatherer.

Can't quite wrap my mind around dieting to lose weight when I am pretty skinny (155.5 cm and 48 kg at age 65).  I want to quit being constipated.  Am already into veggies and very low on meat.  Will eat the  veggies in a stir fry made with meat in it, but leave the meat to my husband.

I don't follow the diet for weight loss either.  I do it for health.  By following this lifestyle plan, your body should get healthy and stabilize on the best weight for you.  Following the lifestyle means to target the portion size and frequency for each of the food groups.  As a Gatherer, you probably need meat to get to optimum health.


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JapanDietEllen, I find my bowels work best with lots of meat / fish / poultry and veggies.  If you've been away from eating meat you'll probably have to slowly increase it.  
I also take magnesium every night when I head to bed and that keeps everything moving well too.



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Ok, so I am looking at the dates here, 2010!!  so don't know if I will be talking to the ghosts of Gatherer's past or not.  Let's see.  I am a Gatherer and use SWAMI. I have been off and on for a year but in general am learning how to make it a lifestyle and doing fair.  I still need to lose weight and my biggest challenge is pasta and I get so confused by the list.  Of course, no wheat. Then, No white, brown, wild rice but can have Basmati rice. But then I can't have brown or white rice flour so even if I find a rice pasta, isn't it made from rice flour, therefore a no no???

I have been SLOWLY making all the other changes with no big issues except eating out.
change in cheese, milk, etc. etc. etc.  No problem...but the spaggetti noodles!!!!

anyone find one that fits the bill?  I keep hoping.  
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