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Lola
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let swami do the guessing for you


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will swami also know my numbers for diabetes??


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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medical family history and your medical history.....all there for you to check
so they re taken as variables for your personalized end report


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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Nadya Lina
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TYPE O GATHERER...So Confused.

#1 The VERY CONTRASTING good/bad foods. Mainly wondering about Soy milk, mushrooms, cottage cheese, ricotta cheese, farmer cheese, oatmeal, cinnamon, and shrimp. Yes or No? They are great for Gatherer but bad for Type O.


#2 Can you be a gatherer with a 5'11 female ectomorphic body? That is the category I end up in. (Feel free to private message me about it too)
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Good message above.. I am less confused as I am uncertain.. I see that the fooods you listed are now allowed.. but they scare me.. yet with the specter of diabetes I can see where some foods re preventative as they will addresse some issues of needing some carbs.. but they make me hungry..  

Now a little oatmeal once in a blue moon might be ok..and cinnamon I like too..  but SOY no way I will trust that.. just to much interference from cow to table..  

The bigger issue I might have is with my mind to accept the good.. after all the years as O .. buy I see where NEW   Geno people will have a much easier time adjusting ..  

I like BTD and I am sticking on the diabetes list.. 'looking' at the Geno next to it.. feeling save with pineapple and grapefruit juice.. ... and when I add a few vegetables from Geno I see that the list is nicely expanded.. but I will only expand from benficials.. forget about neutral.. too timid.. and don't really have on emotional need for it..  

but the sugar attacks they are scary as all heck.. I have no defenses.. when I shop for them they will be eaten.. no restraint... I am learning.. please keep ruminating about this as its is important.. add your age too so it fills the picture..  

I have a friend in Vancouver.. might visit there someday..    


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Welcome, Nadya Lina!
Your height makes me wonder, too. Would guess you a hunter, with the ecto figure, but ....if the finger fits, you must acquit! -I mean, if the index finger is longer.......it spells gatherer. There is also Explorer......hopefully others here will know.
I love the gatherer list, btw.
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Lola
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if you want a personalized diet, get a swami!

it will also compute your GT for you, provided you input all data necessary.

no more guess work!

perhaps finding out your secretor status might narrow it down some more


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Nadya Lina
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does swami work on mac software?
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oh...and it didn't matter about the secretor. It was gatherer ether way.  
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does swami work on mac software?

It works in a browser, no installed on the OS, so yes...


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it runs within a web browser so the operating system does not make much difference.
runs fine on Macs, Linux and Windows (including the just released,
Windows 7).


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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It was gatherer ether way


when running the software, check the compute genotype box

it does the math for you


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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often it all comes down to how you measure the fingers.... for swami as well...
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farmer cheese is nutral and gathers get alot of mushrooms....actuly the only real avoids you have up there were the shrimp and the soy, nadya lina. i know what you mean about some of the messuerments. my dad is, was before spine curve, 6tf. it just blew my mind that HE was a gatherer like the rest of us. he has several exsploerer tendancys but he is still firmly a gatherer.
i stay away from my beloved shrimp becuse i do notice looser stools with all shell fish. soy is almost impossible to be completly way from, but i do my best.


nothing to do? who has that!?
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I had entered my numbers in 2 ways.. and both came back gatherer.. even 50 pounds appart.. hahaha


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Hello, I am new to the forum. I'm hoping you wonderful gatherers can point me in the right direction?? I am beyond confused. I really need some advice.

I followed the ER and LR books in 2003 and eliminated 80% of my digestive issues at that time, within 6 weeks of strict adherence without knowing my secretor status. It didn't really register with me that secretor status would tweak that extra 20% , so concluded something was 'missing' from the program, and sort of drifted off. Just recently, being plagued for some time with those same digestive issues, I thought i would give LR and ER another good effort and so went the step further and discovered I am a non secretor. Ok....so maybe this provides a further clue, but did not get started in any real serious way, on the program, as I needed to direct lots of energy to an infected root canal, which turned out to be 3 infected root canals. So needless to say my attention has been diverted toward dealing with healing from the surgery of root canal removals. It was all done with top notch protocols by a biological dentist and am now in the process of detoxing, healing and losing wt, both from limited eating, and diarrhea (detoxing). Anyway....being steeped in the detox process, i am ever so excited to begin my BTD including my secretor status.....and one step further, to include genotype. So i ordered the genotype book, it arrived yesterday, and i read it.  I am urgently requesting feedback and advice from all of you who are so much more experienced.

I am O+ non secretor, and given finger ratio's and torso/leg length ratio's, i am a gatherer---but almost nothing seems to describe me.  I am 5'6" and 111 lbs. Of couse i've had weight loss due to the dental recovery process, but would normally be around 117 or 118.  My metabolism is the complete opposite of thrifty....in that i have always struggled to keep wt on, have always had voracious appetite and ate lots of everything, and worry about loosing a lb or two if i skip a meal ......you see how there is nothing 'thrifty' in that kind of metabolism! True to my non secretor status, I am very prone to UTI's, vaginal yeast infections, teeth issues, canker sores in the mouth, and a good clotter. I am strong, lean, and athletic, and very ectomorpic body type, although i do have the waist to hip ratio indicative of gatherers, I suppose, with waist 25 and hips 36. I have been a runner most of my life until 2 years ago with a knee joint issue and i currently rock climb, hike, and always thrived on intense physical exercise. Nothing in the 'ultra category, but definitely loved my 3 mile runs and miss them. I just turned 50 last week and am female--3 grown kids and great marriage of 28 years. Have had my hormones recently checked and they are in a good place. I have had the past several years with great intestinal distress which is what brought me back to the BTD.....but now after reading the genotype book, i do not see how i am a gatherer as so many things on the food list seem in complete contradiction to my O+ non secretor status.  Please tell me what i am missing. Maybe i could say this in defense of my 'gatherer' distinction: I do remember in my first year of college when i was eating complete junk food (french fries and gravy/muffins/lots of bread and pasta) that i did shoot up to 129 and perhaps like a gatherer might do, my body did take on a rather distinct curvyness to it with the weight going to my hips and thighs but not to my waist---probably the curviest i've been in my life.  Even though my current diet contains no sugar, no processed food, very close to no dairy, i am very plagued with the digestive issues/some joint issues so want to employ the BTD as i know i will very likely heal from both of these things. But how much stock do i put into the gatherer status that my body measurements have suggested?? Should I just follow the LR and incorporate the new knowledge of being a non secretor or should i go the genotype/gatherer route even though it seems so counter-intuitive.

Please forgive my very long post and the inclusion of info that may not even be relevent.....please know that i just want to feel better. I know from the outside i look very healthy/active/athletic to others if not a little thin....but on the inside i know i am needing so much in my gut to heal, and knee joint (s). Thank you for any advice or direction you might offer)
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I'd say you are a gatherer who has taken good care of herself, so far.


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one option is to stick with the O diet...in fact there is a questionaire here under one of the headings at the top that can tell you which diet is best for you, btd or gtd.
Another consideration is to check out the explorer genotype (muscular)....and others will chime in with their ideas as well.
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Thank you jayneeo and deblynn3 for your responses. I DID find the quiz, and did it. For every answer that was slightly ambiguous, i repeated the test with slight changes. Results of EVERY quiz, said my answers clearly indicated i should folllow the BTD rather than the GTD. That really does give me so much more 'direction'. I was feeling so 'stumped' by the genotype results.

However, maybe after several week/months on the BTD, if I'm feeling lots of improvement but still need to gain some weight, I can go to the Gatherer diet and perhaps add some cheese and notice if it enhances further, the way i feel or detracts from my healing. Does this seem reasonable??  

BTW, along with my book, I ordered the blood type probiotics for O, intinsic, deflect and the protein powder for O. Anything else that would be wise to include?

Since the quiz indicated very strongly that I am better off following the BTD rather than GTD, does that mean getting SWAMI is a moot point for me, or still a valuable tool. I really appreciate your responses--thanks so much)
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Should I just follow the LR and incorporate the new knowledge of being a non secretor or should i go the genotype/gatherer route even though it seems so counter-intuitive.


having gone through the same qiestions I would say for today: add one food from the Geno list you did not have before.. see how you react.. then eat it for 3 days.. long enough to see what turns up..

then after some time when you have added enought items and are comfortale then start changing to the Geno first and BTD as foods after.. and start converting..

change is good even if you go back later the what worked before..

or read thearthritis boock..but eth foods are the same .. just the subs change..

in 6 weeks you will know..  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Thanks for that input Goldie How long had you been doing ER/LR and now GTD? Did you have the same question as me, because your GT did not seem to 'fit' you?  Was it a long road of trial and error introducing the new foods from GT or did you use SWAMI?

I need to go back and read ch 1-3 in the GT book because i skipped them....but maybe you or someone can clear this up for me. Will the ER/LR diets be best for some, while the GTD is best for others?? OR....will a personalized form of GTD always be better in the long run for all, in which case, do you eventually abandon the LR diet in favor of the GTD??

Hope this isn't a 'dumb' quetion. Thanks for helping
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You can help the other members of the forum help you by choosing a blood type shield to display beneath your name.

how to
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i think that swami might be a good idea for you as you sound more like a hunter than a gatherer. every thing you describe is what our nabor who is a hunter deals with (with exseption to the teeth). i do not have swammi, mosty for money resone and also becuse i am such a string gatherer that it seems moot to me, but it is taylored for those litttle combos and diffacult diagnosis and might help you alot.


nothing to do? who has that!?
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