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Cristina
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I cannot wait for the printed evidence, it will still take a couple of days before it gets to me., but I phoned the lab to day and the results are out!!  I am a SECRETOR, the lower end of it though.  The technician was talking a bout a number in the report where the normal range goes from 102 to 471 and my score is 157.  This saliva tests puts me in the secretor group still within the normal range.

Compare to your rports does this make any sense?  What does it mean to be in the lower range or upper or middle range of secretor status?

(edited text to reflect values as per printed report I have just received from lab)





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That's interesting.  I didn't realize there was a range.  So can there be "minor secretors" that borderline on being a non-secretor?


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Cristina,

For me it's like a new dimension! I wonder if the count indicates "concentration" or "density" of BT antigen in the body secretions? Could this then mean that the lower the count, the nearer you are to a typical nonie? Let's wait for more competent and experienced colleagues' opinion.

Cristina, can you help me how to put my photo on the signature? I have the photo on the platial.com map already but I cannot get it in the signature despite repeated attempts following instruction on some related threads. Thanks a lot.
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secretor is secretor and non secretor is non secretor......no bigggie


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Oh, okay, Lola, if you say so.


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Also, for a refresher, this is what I posted earlier on another thread.

Joined photobucket, but any other freebie photo sharing site will do.
Took a snapshop of myself using my webcam and save it as a jpg.
Uploaded that photo in photobucket and took notice of the link address for it.
Use that link address in the following blah, code in my signature section in my profile here. You find your profile under the members area in this website.

blah code to copy (replace 'yoursnapshotlink' with your photo link address and xx with the size you want for your pic, I used 60 in mine):

[url=yoursnapshotlink][img width=xx height=xx]yoursnapshotlink[/img][/url]

It worked for me.  Hope this helps.  But of course as C_sharp says, you need a working photo link ..




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Ok Lola, then I am a Secretor.  The veil is lifting ...  Swami will remove it ...




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Cristina,

For me it's like a new dimension! I wonder if the count indicates "concentration" or "density" of BT antigen in the body secretions? Could this then mean that the lower the count, the nearer you are to a typical nonie? Let's wait for more competent and experienced colleagues' opinion.


Most likely. The lab may have verified the results by ELISA testing. Perhaps 117 is the lower level of sensitivity that the test can accurately compute. Below the sensitivity would mean non-secretor.


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I hope my test results are in by tomorrow... been waiting forever.
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Coming back to my tests results:

Re-read my original post.  I updated the values according to the printed report I received today from the lab.

TAke into consideration that these are Australian lab values, in US they may have different ranges and that may make me a lower or even nonnie secretor.

It is interesting what the lab report says though:
"quote"
Several studies link stress and emotionality with levels of SIgA.  Production is adversely affected by stress, which is mediated by cortisol levels.
"unquote"

Further on they stated:
"quote"
**Reduced SIgA levels may be associated with sub optimal adrenal output, in which case an adrenal stress index test would be recommended.
"unquote"

I recently had a complete blood test and everything seemed OK.  I wonder what would they have said if I shown to be a nonnie?

What do you think?




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Hi everyone! I finally could get my photo there. Thank you all.

Now about the "lower end of secretors," I still suspect that it could be an important variable when we have difficulty in controlling the quality of food that we intake (in terms of viral, bacterial, fungal or germ infection), particularly for those living at the end of poverty and unhygenic environment (in least developed countries like mine and in poor settlements). It is always better to keep open and watchful without giving too much weight to the issue at this stage.



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Several studies link stress and emotionality with levels of SIgA.  Production is adversely affected by stress, which is mediated by cortisol levels.


http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archivea/admin_config.pl?read=81072


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The link takes me to some nostril breathing?





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Take into consideration that these are Australian lab values, in US they may have different ranges and that may make me a lower or even nonnie secretor.


I think most of the time in the US they do not give clients a scale.  Lab result is just secretor or nonsecretor.  Nothing in between.

I am a little concern that the concentration of a substance in saliva might be strongly influenced by how well hydrated a person was at the time of the test.

So the difference between 157 and 314 might just be how much water one had been drinking. But I would have to know more about the test to know if it would work like that.








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The link takes me to some nostril breading?

yes in fact alternate nostril breathing, not breading  
helps lower typical high cortisol levels in type As.......
and thus lowering cholesterol......it s all united....complex

read more about it
http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/mind/mind2.htm


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Hi Christina,

I used the same lab and got no readouts at all - probably being a nonnie.  Just curious did you follow each and every procedure, like fasting, not cleaning teeth, not drinking any water etc. ? I found it very hard to fill the vial, first thing after waking  

It is just amazing what stress can do with our chemistry without us even being aware of it...

Congratulations on being a secretor!  (you lucky devil  )
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The excercises are excellent, no doubt about it, but my enquiry is about the secretor range:  to confirm if this secretor status range our reports show is something that fluctuates all the time, or fixed for each person?.  Maybe it is something peculiar for australians only.  

The comments on the lab report, make me think that under stressfull situations we could all be  nonies, because cortisol increases and this affect our secretor range, lowering it to the point of nonie status, maybe?.

Also, is my secretor level low because of the state I was when I took the blood test?  or because I am a low level secretor?  Could this score improve? What is my level now?

Could you ever be above the high range in an euforic situation, like when I win the lotto?  If so, what would be the consequences?

Joke aside, I do not remember being particularly worry that day, except that I do not like needles, but otherwise I was and I am happy, relaxed, alert, reaching my goals and having a lot of fun ...  But, I want to know, i cannot just drop it, maybe I should, ut that is me ...

Also, sorry about the spelling, I welcome any corrections and I promise to fix them along the way.  Thanks all for taking your time to think about these issues and post your opinions.  




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Shell, how did they let you know you are a nonnie.  Did they also give you a printed report.  (I must have been writing nine while you were posting yours).




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Hi Cristina,

  When I tested for my secretor test I did a Lewis phenotype blood test, in which it shows that I am Lewis (a-, b+) the b+ means that i am a secretor, if it had been b- I would have been a nonnie.  (have no idea how the saliva test works).
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Sorry Christina,

Just realised that you had the blood version of the secretor test while I had the saliva test  

Yes I received a statement saying I was a non-secretor - no measurements.
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Quoted from Cristina
Maybe it is something peculiar for australians only.  


Time for me to have a dig.

No mate, you guys are not that special.

Sorry Cristina, couldn't resist.

Regards from S A. Keep up the good GTD/SWAMI work.




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My test was the saliva test.  I also had blood tests that week, but not for secretion.  My lab is the one in Melbourne, PathLab and that is the report they gave me.  Did you do it through a doctor or direct from you to them.  I did mine direct from me to them.  

So being a nonie, they just give you the report with no comments to improve, or watch for this or that. but, us secretors when we get the report, we do get warnings if we are not in the right side of the range,  like there could be something wrong and suggesting adrenal index test be done. ...

Would any problem with the adrenals have come out on my previous blood test?  and would I have any other symptoms?

Who is the lucky devil here ...?     





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I just did a quick search on the adrenal thing and came upon this web page:

http://www.custommedicine.com.au/adrenal/

I am not hypoglacemia, I do not get dizzy standing up, I do have lots of energy, I do not have sugar cravings (not since I started BT/GT), I can spend hours without eating, as long as I have my 3 healthy meals.

Yes, I am overweight, but GT is changing that, I do not sleep long hours (about 6 every night, that is enough for me), but it is a deep sleep and I get up fresh in the morning ...

So I am smiling

Just curious though ..




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I didn't know there was a list of rules to follow before filling the vial.  Is that new?


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The comments on the lab report, make me think that under stressfull situations we could all be  nonies,


doesn t work that way


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Christina,

When I originally rang Pathlab I was informed that I could organise the saliva test myself or through a Naturopath but any blood work would have to go through a doctor.  If that was the case with you I would certainly be going back to the practitioner and asking many questions regarding the blood test results  
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I didn't know there was a list of rules to follow before filling the vial.  Is that new?


For all saliva testing whether for secretor test or other these are to be followed for an accurate result.  
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as stated in reply 25, mine was a saliva test and I have followed all the instructions.   I wonder if other secretors from Australia received the same type of report?

I did mine at 6:00am in the morning, could that account for the low secretor value?




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Cristina...I too did mine at 6:00 a.m.  I turned out nonnie.  And...from the experiments I have done with the wrong foods...a nonnie is a nonnie and a secretor is a secretor.  JMHO  

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My husband has blood tests all the time (post transplant) started off daily then weekly now he is up to every 3 weeks.  The variation of the readouts is more variable than you would think!  Maybe, just maybe leading up to your test for that day the sleep was not optimal (but still OK) and you maybe could have been fighting off some very minor bug that you wouldn't even be aware of and if you had the test the following week the readouts could have been higher on the range.     
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as stated in reply 25, mine was a saliva test and I have followed all the instructions.   I wonder if other secretors from Australia received the same type of report?

I did mine at 6:00am in the morning, could that account for the low secretor value?


The lab probably performed the hemagglutination inhibition test which is the method for saliva testing.

This method involves making dilutions of the saliva with the antiserums used in the testing. Cells are added to the different dilutions to see if any agglutination occurs. If the sample shows that a patient is a secretor then it is possible that they perform confirmatory testing for secretor status.

This confirmation that the sample is from a secretor is probably confirmed by an ELISA method. The ELISA method would employ a direct method for testing A and B antigens.

The numbers on your report may indicate the level of A antigens found in your sample. A lower number may indicate that you have only one copy of the secretor (Se) gene. An individual who is homozygous for the secretor (Se) gene and thus has two copies (Se/Se) will most likey have more ABH antigens in their sample than someone who is heterozygous (Se/se) for the secretor gene.


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The numbers on your report may indicate the level of A antigens found in your sample. A lower number may indicate that you have only one copy of the secretor (Se) gene. An individual who is homozygous for the secretor (Se) gene and thus has two copies (Se/Se) will most likey have more ABH antigens in their sample than someone who is heterozygous (Se/se) for the secretor gene.


Thanks Captain_janeway,  Besides what I have already published somewhere in this thread, here is the rest of the report:

"Quote*
Saliva, Secretory IgA  157   (102 - 471 ug/mL
Integrative Medicine Comments
Low Levels of SIgA
SIgA key function is to bind to invading micro organisms and toxins and entrap them in the mucus layer or within the epithelial cells, so inhiiting microbial motility, agglutinating the organisms and neutralising their exotoxins and then assist in their harmless elimination from the body in the faecal flow.  SIgA also 'tags' food as acceptable, so low SIgA leads to increassed sensitivity to foods.
Several studies ........
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When you get the blood test results it will back up the saliva data.

If you are double lewis negative you are considered as a non-secretor.  Full explanation at http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/subtype/subtype6.htm

If I read this correctly, if you are blood type A3 then you excrete less blood type antigen and are considered a non-secretor http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2004/10/04/the-a3-subtype?blog=27

I read on the live right for your type forum (lots of non-secretor info there) that there are different levels of secretors.

For all that, can I ask a question.  Where do you get your blood test taken to go along with your saliva sample?  Did you have to pay an extra fee to pay a nurse to do that for you?


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Thanks Captain_janeway,  Besides what I have already published somewhere in this thread, here is the rest of the report:

"Quote*
Saliva, Secretory IgA  157   (102 - 471 ug/mL
Integrative Medicine Comments
Low Levels of SIgA
SIgA key function is to bind to invading micro organisms and toxins and entrap them in the mucus layer or within the epithelial cells, so inhiiting microbial motility, agglutinating the organisms and neutralising their exotoxins and then assist in their harmless elimination from the body in the faecal flow.  SIgA also 'tags' food as acceptable, so low SIgA leads to increassed sensitivity to foods.
Several studies ........
'Unquote"


The secretory IgA refers to the fraction of IgA that is found in body fluids. It is found in the tears, in the digestive juices, in urine, sweat, vaginal and seminal fluid and breast milk.

Low levels are associated with food sensitivity and susceptibility to certain infections bacterial or fungal.

Some studies have documented that SIgA is lower in non-secretors than secretors. Their are other studies that have found no correlation between secretors and non-secretors




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So, it is oK then to infer from this report that I am a Secretor?




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yes


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Good, thanks everyone for your patience, I have learnt a lot during this process, and I hope the same has been for a few more.





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If you are double lewis negative you are considered as a non-secretor.


some are secretors......for that reason you are advised to perform the saliva test as well to confirm the non secretor status


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So, it is oK then to infer from this report that I am a Secretor?


Does it say secretor on the report?

The IgA/SIgA is shorthand for immunoglobulin A. One of the many antibodies found in the blood and body fluids. The level of SIgA alone is not enough to tell you your secretor status.

The saliva test for secretor status can be done by various methods, Hemagglutination Inhibition or by ELISA. A PCR test is a DNA based test done via cheek swab or blood.



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Does it say secretor on the report?



No, the report does not mention secretor at all.  All it gives me is what I published here with those values.  That is why I was so confuse.  Before I received the printed report, I asked over the phone if I was a secretor or non secretor. The technician then said that is was a value given, but that yes, that value put me as a secretor because I fall within the specified range.  

Any other secretors from Australia have done the saliva test?




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Does it say secretor on the report?

The IgA/SIgA is shorthand for immunoglobulin A. One of the many antibodies found in the blood and body fluids. The level of SIgA alone is not enough to tell you your secretor status.

The saliva test for secretor status can be done by various methods, Hemagglutination Inhibition or by ELISA. A PCR test is a DNA based test done via cheek swab or blood.



Thanks for your explanation, I will be contacting the lab tomorrow morning to discuss your posting.  It could be possible they did the wrong test?  When you start talking to professionals around here about secretor or non secretor, they all give you a blank look ..., or the cyber pause over the phone ...   Wish me luck   





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Good thinking Cristina and good luck!  I can't believe they seem to have done the wrong test!   
Just PM'd Jumari for you I think he's had the test before to see if he can help.


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Latest update!!  I am talking to them now on the phone and I have been given the wrong test!!  This is not the Secretor Status test that I was meant to have!  We are negotiating to see if I have to pay again or what!  Wish me luck!

Path Lab has apologized and kindly are sending me a new kit for the right 'secretor status' test.  Thanks everyone for persistently paying attention and posting your thoughts here.  I have almost given up and decided on this test that I was a secretor, but now I have to wait for the test results again!!  I may end up being a nonie after all!!

Either way it is excellent because I will know who am I.  Meeeeeee.....  Hooooorayyyyyy
(as you can see a big weight came off my shoulders ...  this thing have been bugging me for the last few days ...)





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Hi Cristina,

Yes I did do the Secretor test but I went through North American Pharmaceuticals. Just sent them a saliva sample and got my results about a month later taking the long distances into consideration and my result was available online. Who did you do your test with?

I was going to ask you for that Genotype Aussie Doctor's number as well as I might need to get measured by a pro. There are too many variables that could sway me between 2 genotypes. Have you got your Swami yet?
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Jumari,  You must have been posting your message while I was typing mine.  Read previous post.

Regarding the doctor in Australia, these are his details, but I suggest you contact him before and specify exactly what you want, to genotype you, so you come out of there satisfied with the answers, otherwise it could be $$$$$ down the drain.  Like I mentioned before, I do not know him personally, I talked to him a couple of times over the phone and via e-mail and I checked his website.  He is too far for me to use and I have to rely on other peers impressions, like yours.  So let me know what you think of his services if you decide to go ahead to see him.  I may then consider having phone consultation with him ...  

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Latest update!!  I am talking to them now on the phone and I have been given the wrong test!!  This is not the Secretor Status test that I was meant to have!  We are negotiating to see if I have to pay again or what!  Wish me luck!

Path Lab has apologized and kindly are sending me a new kit for the right 'secretor status' test.  Thanks everyone for persistently paying attention and posting your thoughts here.  I have almost given up and decided on this test that I was a secretor, but now I have to wait for the test results again!!  I may end up being a nonie after all!!

Either way it is excellent because I will know who am I.  Meeeeeee.....  Hooooorayyyyyy
(as you can see a big weight came off my shoulders ...  this thing have been bugging me for the last few days ...)


I thought that there was a possibility that the wrong test had been done. Sensing that there was a hint of confusion on your part. Anyway, there are other methods to perform ABH secretor testing. I just don't know which methods are used in Australia. Anyway, hope you have some luck getting the correct test.





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Hooray Cristina!  Glad you got it fixed, lots of people would have just gone with the flow and not had the right test.

Interesting about secretory Iga (free test you got!).  Did you google that to see if it means anything?

Jumari - I now understand why you were on the SWAMI forum asking about how to find M and N, A1 and A2 blood types, cos you didn't have the blood test only the saliva test.  I assumed you'd had the only one available in Australia which has both.  Resourceful person aren't you?  I read on here that saliva can go awry in the post so you were lucky to come out secretor, some results have been wrong perhaps because of postal conditions.

Here's the page on the test that Cristina is doing, includes saliva and blood test.  (how do you collect the blood Cristina?)
http://www.pathlabim.com.au/page.jsp?p_id=2&action=display&testID=71


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Hooray Cristina!  Glad you got it fixed, lots of people would have just gone with the flow and not had the right test.

You guys kept me trying by tuning in!! Hooray to all of us!!  
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Interesting about secretory Iga (free test you got!).  Did you google that to see if it means anything?

I certainly did and discussed it with the path lab technician .  Nothing to worry about, but it is an inmunology test and maybe it came my way to warm me that I need to keep my focus in nurturing my health.  Been doing lots of alternating nostril breathing in addition to my pilates classes lately.  

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Jumari,  ... I read on here that saliva can go awry in the post so you were lucky to come out secretor, some results have been wrong perhaps because of postal conditions.

I wonder if that could have also affected the low SIgA test value for me?

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...Here's the page on the test that Cristina is doing, includes saliva and blood test.  (how do you collect the blood Cristina?)

Easy, we do not collect the blood, but need to do it through a doctor, I think that is what Path Lab advices. But, I will wait to get the instructions that come with the test and I will let you know...  That could also be an option, the techno did not mentioned anything to me about blood collecting ... Still waiting for the kit.




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    I read on here that saliva can go awry in the post so you were lucky to come out secretor, some results have been wrong perhaps because of postal conditions.


Wow I haven't heard this before.  I thought that sometimes the blood tests do not always match up with the saliva tests and that the saliva tests were more conclusive.  Did you read it on this site or another web site?  
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I take the saliva in teh post comment back

Tom Martens I think had two saliva tests with different results, but can't find his post.

Found this post http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1238253113/s-9/highlight-secretor+test/#num9 that says the saliva test is more accurate and quotes Dr D.

Searched for a while and can't find where people were worrying about the saliva in the post.  Sorry.


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Hi... I finally got around to getting the secretor saliva test done (having put it off for 6 months )  & dutifully posted it off last time I was over in Aus (2+ weeks ago) Now we (Path Lab & I) think Australia Post managed to lose it   as I never got results back
Path Lab has apologized and are kindly are sending me a new kit for the 'secretor status' test!! Ah well I guess I have to be paitent a wee while longer... Most annoying thing is I found it quite hard & time consuming to get the saliva into the vial in the first place without any bubbles it!! Now I gotta start again AND my credit card details are out there somewhere too!!
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I take the saliva in teh post comment back...

Tom Martens I think had two saliva tests with different results, but can't find his post.


Not so fast, do not take it back yet.  I found this post in the nonnie club house dated back august 13, 2008, by a Tom O.  He had the two tests done with different results blaming them to time deterioration, maybe?  Check out reply no 11 or post no 11.

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1217875410/s-new/#num7,  :)




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Good hunting Cristina - that's the one I'd read about concerns with saliva in the post, and couldn't find again, and it was another Tom,

Sorry Tom Martens, though he also got different results twice but hasn't said whether saliva or blood yet on this forum http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1253581194/s-5/#num5

I searched for saliva post mail sample accuracy and more
didn't think of validity!  

Cheers!

P.S. just found Tom O explaining his saliva test was done years ago see here http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-GTDdiet/m-1253645881/s-new/


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Good hunting Cristina - that's the one I'd read about concerns with saliva in the post, ...,

... ...just found Tom O explaining his saliva test was done years ago see here  ... ...


GheeWhiz,  You think the moderators will be impressed with our searching efforts now?  




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secretor is secretor and non secretor is non secretor......no bigggie



Although ABH secretor status is often thought of as an all or none situation, this is generally not the case. In some ABH non-secretors (known as partial or weak secretors) there will often be some form of active A or B blood group substance in the saliva; however, the quantity and quality of these substances is greatly reduced, predisposing them to similar functional problems as other non-secretors. (3,4)  

http://www.dadamo.com/science_abh-lewis.htm





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always read the context in my statements......


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You're kidding page 3 and we're still on the actual topic of the thread!  That's rare on here.  We get into all sorts of interesting sidestories and I wouldn't have it any other way.   Sorry sarcasm doesn't suit me I know!

Certainly keeps the brain working to keep track of what was being discussed under each thread, good mental gymnastics!


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Today I received a Blood Group Card from PathLab with the following info:

Blood Group A Rh(D): Positive

It confirms I am A +  and it gives the extra bit about Rh(D).  Anyone wishes to expand on this?

There are more results coming but, have to wait another week or so to be ready (like the Lewis test, saliva test, MN, MH, etc,etc).




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means your Rhesus factor is positive....
Those individuals that lack the D antigen are considered to be Rh negative.
http://www.drpeterjdadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Homeobox_%28Hox%29_Gene/Rhesus_%28Rh%29_Blood_Group

what about subtype of A?
http://www.dadamo.com/program_advanced_subtypes.htm


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I could not resist myself so I called Path Lab and they gave me the following info over the phone:

Lewis test results:
A -
B +

MN results:

M +
N +

They do not do subtype A1, or A2 or A3 as such.  Talked to techo and he did not know what I was talking about.

The rest of the test, which is the saliva test, will not be ready for another week.

So, according to this info, what I am, sec or non sec and any other info?

Thanks Lola and everyone.  




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Le(a-b+) always secretors
Le(a+b-) always a non-secretor

you are a secretor
MN
about MN system
http://www.drpeterjdadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/MNS_Blood_Group

tell the techo if he has ever heard of a serotyping panel....


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Lola, I asked him and he said nope.  I have done all the blood typing tests that they offered.

I invited him to tune into this forum do the Lewis blood type search and to let me know if he thinks they can do it.  He seemed keen enough to check this website out.  
I am just about to put the results so far into Swami and see how it changes my diet.  I will post diet changes under 'Cristina's Swami Xpress' website, but keep on posting secretor result status here (makes it easier to identify things when searching).  Is this the organized side of me coming through?  




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you can now add your secretor shield at last!


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worth the wait!  Congratulations on being a secretor!  
Didn't realise they don't test A1, A2 etc, Jumari had that test through the Melbourne Dr though.

How did you collect the blood for the blood test?  Curious to know for future.


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worth the wait!  Congratulations on being a secretor!  
Didn't realise they don't test A1, A2 etc, Jumari had that test through the Melbourne Dr though.

How did you collect the blood for the blood test?  Curious to know for future.


They send you the kit with the containers (test tube things) for the blood and the form appropriate to your local lab, in my case it was Coolum QML labs.  The nurse at the QML clinic took my blood, filled the form up, gave me a copy and the filled tubes.  Then I posted the blood tube to Pathlab myself.  I think the local clinic sends the original paperwork to PathLab.

It looks that way (about the subtypes A1,A2, A3) with PathLab.  Hopefully Jumari may tune in and confirm his subtype test availability in Sydney? That is where his doctor is, I think.

Lola, changing my avatar now.  I am so excited !!  




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looks good!


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They send you the kit with the containers (test tube things) for the blood and the form appropriate to your local lab, in my case it was Coolum QML labs.  The nurse at the QML clinic took my blood, filled the form up, gave me a copy and the filled tubes.  Then I posted the blood tube to Pathlab myself.  I think the local clinic sends the original paperwork to PathLab.

It looks that way (about the subtypes A1,A2, A3) with PathLab.  Hopefully Jumari may tune in and confirm his subtype test availability in Sydney? That is where his doctor is, I think.

Lola, changing my avatar now.  I am so excited !!  


Thanks, yes Sydney, not Melbourne, sorry they are so far away from me.
Shame about the subtypes though.

Yeah, saw on your other thread that you're a warrior, that fits with your grasp on mental tasks until they are finished (like paw paw for instance!).

Thanks for letting me know the procedure, so I guess QML would get a part of the fee for the collection, that makes sense.  I was worried about having to pay extra fees to someone to collect the blood.  Thanks!  


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