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Christina,

When I originally rang Pathlab I was informed that I could organise the saliva test myself or through a Naturopath but any blood work would have to go through a doctor.  If that was the case with you I would certainly be going back to the practitioner and asking many questions regarding the blood test results  
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I didn't know there was a list of rules to follow before filling the vial.  Is that new?


For all saliva testing whether for secretor test or other these are to be followed for an accurate result.  
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as stated in reply 25, mine was a saliva test and I have followed all the instructions.   I wonder if other secretors from Australia received the same type of report?

I did mine at 6:00am in the morning, could that account for the low secretor value?




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Cristina...I too did mine at 6:00 a.m.  I turned out nonnie.  And...from the experiments I have done with the wrong foods...a nonnie is a nonnie and a secretor is a secretor.  JMHO  

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My husband has blood tests all the time (post transplant) started off daily then weekly now he is up to every 3 weeks.  The variation of the readouts is more variable than you would think!  Maybe, just maybe leading up to your test for that day the sleep was not optimal (but still OK) and you maybe could have been fighting off some very minor bug that you wouldn't even be aware of and if you had the test the following week the readouts could have been higher on the range.     
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as stated in reply 25, mine was a saliva test and I have followed all the instructions.   I wonder if other secretors from Australia received the same type of report?

I did mine at 6:00am in the morning, could that account for the low secretor value?


The lab probably performed the hemagglutination inhibition test which is the method for saliva testing.

This method involves making dilutions of the saliva with the antiserums used in the testing. Cells are added to the different dilutions to see if any agglutination occurs. If the sample shows that a patient is a secretor then it is possible that they perform confirmatory testing for secretor status.

This confirmation that the sample is from a secretor is probably confirmed by an ELISA method. The ELISA method would employ a direct method for testing A and B antigens.

The numbers on your report may indicate the level of A antigens found in your sample. A lower number may indicate that you have only one copy of the secretor (Se) gene. An individual who is homozygous for the secretor (Se) gene and thus has two copies (Se/Se) will most likey have more ABH antigens in their sample than someone who is heterozygous (Se/se) for the secretor gene.


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The numbers on your report may indicate the level of A antigens found in your sample. A lower number may indicate that you have only one copy of the secretor (Se) gene. An individual who is homozygous for the secretor (Se) gene and thus has two copies (Se/Se) will most likey have more ABH antigens in their sample than someone who is heterozygous (Se/se) for the secretor gene.


Thanks Captain_janeway,  Besides what I have already published somewhere in this thread, here is the rest of the report:

"Quote*
Saliva, Secretory IgA  157   (102 - 471 ug/mL
Integrative Medicine Comments
Low Levels of SIgA
SIgA key function is to bind to invading micro organisms and toxins and entrap them in the mucus layer or within the epithelial cells, so inhiiting microbial motility, agglutinating the organisms and neutralising their exotoxins and then assist in their harmless elimination from the body in the faecal flow.  SIgA also 'tags' food as acceptable, so low SIgA leads to increassed sensitivity to foods.
Several studies ........
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When you get the blood test results it will back up the saliva data.

If you are double lewis negative you are considered as a non-secretor.  Full explanation at http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/subtype/subtype6.htm

If I read this correctly, if you are blood type A3 then you excrete less blood type antigen and are considered a non-secretor http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2004/10/04/the-a3-subtype?blog=27

I read on the live right for your type forum (lots of non-secretor info there) that there are different levels of secretors.

For all that, can I ask a question.  Where do you get your blood test taken to go along with your saliva sample?  Did you have to pay an extra fee to pay a nurse to do that for you?


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Quoted from Cristina


Thanks Captain_janeway,  Besides what I have already published somewhere in this thread, here is the rest of the report:

"Quote*
Saliva, Secretory IgA  157   (102 - 471 ug/mL
Integrative Medicine Comments
Low Levels of SIgA
SIgA key function is to bind to invading micro organisms and toxins and entrap them in the mucus layer or within the epithelial cells, so inhiiting microbial motility, agglutinating the organisms and neutralising their exotoxins and then assist in their harmless elimination from the body in the faecal flow.  SIgA also 'tags' food as acceptable, so low SIgA leads to increassed sensitivity to foods.
Several studies ........
'Unquote"


The secretory IgA refers to the fraction of IgA that is found in body fluids. It is found in the tears, in the digestive juices, in urine, sweat, vaginal and seminal fluid and breast milk.

Low levels are associated with food sensitivity and susceptibility to certain infections bacterial or fungal.

Some studies have documented that SIgA is lower in non-secretors than secretors. Their are other studies that have found no correlation between secretors and non-secretors




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So, it is oK then to infer from this report that I am a Secretor?




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Good, thanks everyone for your patience, I have learnt a lot during this process, and I hope the same has been for a few more.





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If you are double lewis negative you are considered as a non-secretor.


some are secretors......for that reason you are advised to perform the saliva test as well to confirm the non secretor status


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So, it is oK then to infer from this report that I am a Secretor?


Does it say secretor on the report?

The IgA/SIgA is shorthand for immunoglobulin A. One of the many antibodies found in the blood and body fluids. The level of SIgA alone is not enough to tell you your secretor status.

The saliva test for secretor status can be done by various methods, Hemagglutination Inhibition or by ELISA. A PCR test is a DNA based test done via cheek swab or blood.



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Does it say secretor on the report?



No, the report does not mention secretor at all.  All it gives me is what I published here with those values.  That is why I was so confuse.  Before I received the printed report, I asked over the phone if I was a secretor or non secretor. The technician then said that is was a value given, but that yes, that value put me as a secretor because I fall within the specified range.  

Any other secretors from Australia have done the saliva test?




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Does it say secretor on the report?

The IgA/SIgA is shorthand for immunoglobulin A. One of the many antibodies found in the blood and body fluids. The level of SIgA alone is not enough to tell you your secretor status.

The saliva test for secretor status can be done by various methods, Hemagglutination Inhibition or by ELISA. A PCR test is a DNA based test done via cheek swab or blood.



Thanks for your explanation, I will be contacting the lab tomorrow morning to discuss your posting.  It could be possible they did the wrong test?  When you start talking to professionals around here about secretor or non secretor, they all give you a blank look ..., or the cyber pause over the phone ...   Wish me luck   





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Good thinking Cristina and good luck!  I can't believe they seem to have done the wrong test!   
Just PM'd Jumari for you I think he's had the test before to see if he can help.


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Latest update!!  I am talking to them now on the phone and I have been given the wrong test!!  This is not the Secretor Status test that I was meant to have!  We are negotiating to see if I have to pay again or what!  Wish me luck!

Path Lab has apologized and kindly are sending me a new kit for the right 'secretor status' test.  Thanks everyone for persistently paying attention and posting your thoughts here.  I have almost given up and decided on this test that I was a secretor, but now I have to wait for the test results again!!  I may end up being a nonie after all!!

Either way it is excellent because I will know who am I.  Meeeeeee.....  Hooooorayyyyyy
(as you can see a big weight came off my shoulders ...  this thing have been bugging me for the last few days ...)





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Hi Cristina,

Yes I did do the Secretor test but I went through North American Pharmaceuticals. Just sent them a saliva sample and got my results about a month later taking the long distances into consideration and my result was available online. Who did you do your test with?

I was going to ask you for that Genotype Aussie Doctor's number as well as I might need to get measured by a pro. There are too many variables that could sway me between 2 genotypes. Have you got your Swami yet?
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Jumari,  You must have been posting your message while I was typing mine.  Read previous post.

Regarding the doctor in Australia, these are his details, but I suggest you contact him before and specify exactly what you want, to genotype you, so you come out of there satisfied with the answers, otherwise it could be $$$$$ down the drain.  Like I mentioned before, I do not know him personally, I talked to him a couple of times over the phone and via e-mail and I checked his website.  He is too far for me to use and I have to rely on other peers impressions, like yours.  So let me know what you think of his services if you decide to go ahead to see him.  I may then consider having phone consultation with him ...  

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Latest update!!  I am talking to them now on the phone and I have been given the wrong test!!  This is not the Secretor Status test that I was meant to have!  We are negotiating to see if I have to pay again or what!  Wish me luck!

Path Lab has apologized and kindly are sending me a new kit for the right 'secretor status' test.  Thanks everyone for persistently paying attention and posting your thoughts here.  I have almost given up and decided on this test that I was a secretor, but now I have to wait for the test results again!!  I may end up being a nonie after all!!

Either way it is excellent because I will know who am I.  Meeeeeee.....  Hooooorayyyyyy
(as you can see a big weight came off my shoulders ...  this thing have been bugging me for the last few days ...)


I thought that there was a possibility that the wrong test had been done. Sensing that there was a hint of confusion on your part. Anyway, there are other methods to perform ABH secretor testing. I just don't know which methods are used in Australia. Anyway, hope you have some luck getting the correct test.





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Hooray Cristina!  Glad you got it fixed, lots of people would have just gone with the flow and not had the right test.

Interesting about secretory Iga (free test you got!).  Did you google that to see if it means anything?

Jumari - I now understand why you were on the SWAMI forum asking about how to find M and N, A1 and A2 blood types, cos you didn't have the blood test only the saliva test.  I assumed you'd had the only one available in Australia which has both.  Resourceful person aren't you?  I read on here that saliva can go awry in the post so you were lucky to come out secretor, some results have been wrong perhaps because of postal conditions.

Here's the page on the test that Cristina is doing, includes saliva and blood test.  (how do you collect the blood Cristina?)
http://www.pathlabim.com.au/page.jsp?p_id=2&action=display&testID=71


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Hooray Cristina!  Glad you got it fixed, lots of people would have just gone with the flow and not had the right test.

You guys kept me trying by tuning in!! Hooray to all of us!!  
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Interesting about secretory Iga (free test you got!).  Did you google that to see if it means anything?

I certainly did and discussed it with the path lab technician .  Nothing to worry about, but it is an inmunology test and maybe it came my way to warm me that I need to keep my focus in nurturing my health.  Been doing lots of alternating nostril breathing in addition to my pilates classes lately.  

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Jumari,  ... I read on here that saliva can go awry in the post so you were lucky to come out secretor, some results have been wrong perhaps because of postal conditions.

I wonder if that could have also affected the low SIgA test value for me?

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...Here's the page on the test that Cristina is doing, includes saliva and blood test.  (how do you collect the blood Cristina?)

Easy, we do not collect the blood, but need to do it through a doctor, I think that is what Path Lab advices. But, I will wait to get the instructions that come with the test and I will let you know...  That could also be an option, the techno did not mentioned anything to me about blood collecting ... Still waiting for the kit.




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    I read on here that saliva can go awry in the post so you were lucky to come out secretor, some results have been wrong perhaps because of postal conditions.


Wow I haven't heard this before.  I thought that sometimes the blood tests do not always match up with the saliva tests and that the saliva tests were more conclusive.  Did you read it on this site or another web site?  
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I take the saliva in teh post comment back

Tom Martens I think had two saliva tests with different results, but can't find his post.

Found this post http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1238253113/s-9/highlight-secretor+test/#num9 that says the saliva test is more accurate and quotes Dr D.

Searched for a while and can't find where people were worrying about the saliva in the post.  Sorry.


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