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Cristina
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I cannot wait for the printed evidence, it will still take a couple of days before it gets to me., but I phoned the lab to day and the results are out!!  I am a SECRETOR, the lower end of it though.  The technician was talking a bout a number in the report where the normal range goes from 102 to 471 and my score is 157.  This saliva tests puts me in the secretor group still within the normal range.

Compare to your rports does this make any sense?  What does it mean to be in the lower range or upper or middle range of secretor status?

(edited text to reflect values as per printed report I have just received from lab)





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That's interesting.  I didn't realize there was a range.  So can there be "minor secretors" that borderline on being a non-secretor?


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Cristina,

For me it's like a new dimension! I wonder if the count indicates "concentration" or "density" of BT antigen in the body secretions? Could this then mean that the lower the count, the nearer you are to a typical nonie? Let's wait for more competent and experienced colleagues' opinion.

Cristina, can you help me how to put my photo on the signature? I have the photo on the platial.com map already but I cannot get it in the signature despite repeated attempts following instruction on some related threads. Thanks a lot.
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secretor is secretor and non secretor is non secretor......no bigggie


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Oh, okay, Lola, if you say so.


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Also, for a refresher, this is what I posted earlier on another thread.

Joined photobucket, but any other freebie photo sharing site will do.
Took a snapshop of myself using my webcam and save it as a jpg.
Uploaded that photo in photobucket and took notice of the link address for it.
Use that link address in the following blah, code in my signature section in my profile here. You find your profile under the members area in this website.

blah code to copy (replace 'yoursnapshotlink' with your photo link address and xx with the size you want for your pic, I used 60 in mine):

[url=yoursnapshotlink][img width=xx height=xx]yoursnapshotlink[/img][/url]

It worked for me.  Hope this helps.  But of course as C_sharp says, you need a working photo link ..




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Ok Lola, then I am a Secretor.  The veil is lifting ...  Swami will remove it ...




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Cristina,

For me it's like a new dimension! I wonder if the count indicates "concentration" or "density" of BT antigen in the body secretions? Could this then mean that the lower the count, the nearer you are to a typical nonie? Let's wait for more competent and experienced colleagues' opinion.


Most likely. The lab may have verified the results by ELISA testing. Perhaps 117 is the lower level of sensitivity that the test can accurately compute. Below the sensitivity would mean non-secretor.


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I hope my test results are in by tomorrow... been waiting forever.
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Coming back to my tests results:

Re-read my original post.  I updated the values according to the printed report I received today from the lab.

TAke into consideration that these are Australian lab values, in US they may have different ranges and that may make me a lower or even nonnie secretor.

It is interesting what the lab report says though:
"quote"
Several studies link stress and emotionality with levels of SIgA.  Production is adversely affected by stress, which is mediated by cortisol levels.
"unquote"

Further on they stated:
"quote"
**Reduced SIgA levels may be associated with sub optimal adrenal output, in which case an adrenal stress index test would be recommended.
"unquote"

I recently had a complete blood test and everything seemed OK.  I wonder what would they have said if I shown to be a nonnie?

What do you think?




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Hi everyone! I finally could get my photo there. Thank you all.

Now about the "lower end of secretors," I still suspect that it could be an important variable when we have difficulty in controlling the quality of food that we intake (in terms of viral, bacterial, fungal or germ infection), particularly for those living at the end of poverty and unhygenic environment (in least developed countries like mine and in poor settlements). It is always better to keep open and watchful without giving too much weight to the issue at this stage.



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Several studies link stress and emotionality with levels of SIgA.  Production is adversely affected by stress, which is mediated by cortisol levels.


http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archivea/admin_config.pl?read=81072


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The link takes me to some nostril breathing?





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Take into consideration that these are Australian lab values, in US they may have different ranges and that may make me a lower or even nonnie secretor.


I think most of the time in the US they do not give clients a scale.  Lab result is just secretor or nonsecretor.  Nothing in between.

I am a little concern that the concentration of a substance in saliva might be strongly influenced by how well hydrated a person was at the time of the test.

So the difference between 157 and 314 might just be how much water one had been drinking. But I would have to know more about the test to know if it would work like that.








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The link takes me to some nostril breading?

yes in fact alternate nostril breathing, not breading  
helps lower typical high cortisol levels in type As.......
and thus lowering cholesterol......it s all united....complex

read more about it
http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/mind/mind2.htm


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Hi Christina,

I used the same lab and got no readouts at all - probably being a nonnie.  Just curious did you follow each and every procedure, like fasting, not cleaning teeth, not drinking any water etc. ? I found it very hard to fill the vial, first thing after waking  

It is just amazing what stress can do with our chemistry without us even being aware of it...

Congratulations on being a secretor!  (you lucky devil  )
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The excercises are excellent, no doubt about it, but my enquiry is about the secretor range:  to confirm if this secretor status range our reports show is something that fluctuates all the time, or fixed for each person?.  Maybe it is something peculiar for australians only.  

The comments on the lab report, make me think that under stressfull situations we could all be  nonies, because cortisol increases and this affect our secretor range, lowering it to the point of nonie status, maybe?.

Also, is my secretor level low because of the state I was when I took the blood test?  or because I am a low level secretor?  Could this score improve? What is my level now?

Could you ever be above the high range in an euforic situation, like when I win the lotto?  If so, what would be the consequences?

Joke aside, I do not remember being particularly worry that day, except that I do not like needles, but otherwise I was and I am happy, relaxed, alert, reaching my goals and having a lot of fun ...  But, I want to know, i cannot just drop it, maybe I should, ut that is me ...

Also, sorry about the spelling, I welcome any corrections and I promise to fix them along the way.  Thanks all for taking your time to think about these issues and post your opinions.  




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Shell, how did they let you know you are a nonnie.  Did they also give you a printed report.  (I must have been writing nine while you were posting yours).




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Hi Cristina,

  When I tested for my secretor test I did a Lewis phenotype blood test, in which it shows that I am Lewis (a-, b+) the b+ means that i am a secretor, if it had been b- I would have been a nonnie.  (have no idea how the saliva test works).
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Sorry Christina,

Just realised that you had the blood version of the secretor test while I had the saliva test  

Yes I received a statement saying I was a non-secretor - no measurements.
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Quoted from Cristina
Maybe it is something peculiar for australians only.  


Time for me to have a dig.

No mate, you guys are not that special.

Sorry Cristina, couldn't resist.

Regards from S A. Keep up the good GTD/SWAMI work.




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My test was the saliva test.  I also had blood tests that week, but not for secretion.  My lab is the one in Melbourne, PathLab and that is the report they gave me.  Did you do it through a doctor or direct from you to them.  I did mine direct from me to them.  

So being a nonie, they just give you the report with no comments to improve, or watch for this or that. but, us secretors when we get the report, we do get warnings if we are not in the right side of the range,  like there could be something wrong and suggesting adrenal index test be done. ...

Would any problem with the adrenals have come out on my previous blood test?  and would I have any other symptoms?

Who is the lucky devil here ...?     





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I just did a quick search on the adrenal thing and came upon this web page:

http://www.custommedicine.com.au/adrenal/

I am not hypoglacemia, I do not get dizzy standing up, I do have lots of energy, I do not have sugar cravings (not since I started BT/GT), I can spend hours without eating, as long as I have my 3 healthy meals.

Yes, I am overweight, but GT is changing that, I do not sleep long hours (about 6 every night, that is enough for me), but it is a deep sleep and I get up fresh in the morning ...

So I am smiling

Just curious though ..




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I didn't know there was a list of rules to follow before filling the vial.  Is that new?


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The comments on the lab report, make me think that under stressfull situations we could all be  nonies,


doesn t work that way


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