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LauraT
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Do distant buzzing noises drive you crazy, like they do me?  

Sunlight in the spring makes me nuts too, I sometimes go into the bathroom and turn off the light so it's totally dark, and just breath for a few minutes, to calm down.  It's partially my bipolar SAD, and possibly a bit of a migraine.  As a kid I remember feeling real funky in the spring and saying things like "the clouds are breathing" because it looked like they work moving up and down like they were breathing.  


I think we share the same great-grandparents or something!  I have severe SAD.  I visit my parents in Arizona every December and again in March, and that helps.  Heavy winds make me irritable beyond belief.

I had strange childhood sensory stuff, too.  I remember asking my mom, "Why are the lights screaming at me?"  She couldn't figure it out.  She thought I meant they were too bright or I was hearing a buzzing noise. But (as I now realize) it was due to this 'raw nerves' thing that I believe I was born with.  I also experienced this 'black hole' feeling that was like extreme thirst and nausea mixed with a sinking feeling.  I had a therapist who was convinced these were all products of an unhappy childhood, but I doubt it.

No autism or asperger-related traits here, but I'm obsessive in the classic sense, not to be confused with being a worrier, which I'm not... I have spinning thoughts that are so fast I can't discern their content.

My lifesavers have been diet interventions and meditation.  I've tried the nostril breathing formally on meditation and yoga retreats, but I and haven't experienced much benefit.  Old-fashioned meditation is best for me.


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I hate fluorescent lights with a passion, yet that's all I've ever been around.  I hear them buzz and the flickering makes me cringe---yet nobody else (except my husband) notices.  I've tried the alternate nostril breathing a couple of times, but it made me feel so weird I decided not to do it anymore.


I used to hear flourescent lights, but no one believed me! When I was little I would cry everytime we went to Macy's because the sound was horrible. I don't know what was causing the sound, but my mom was pretty sweet about it and hurried to get us out of there. And then she would take me to a candy store and buy me Carmel Korn!    I still can't stand the light they put out. Luckily I have an office with a switch so I turned mine off. I brought in a desk lamp and a floor lamp.


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Laura, I bet you're a non-secretor.  If not, you play one in real life.


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As a boy I was "tormented" by noise from fluorescent lights and household appliances, especially refrigerators.  And our daughter would react strongly to the rooftop air conditioning unit at her pre-school, as well as those stainless steel drinking fountains that have the cooling condenser in them.  I don't like them either, but I don't run away from them.

Incidentally, our daughter had Auditory Integration Training, and it seemed to lessen the effects of these noises.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Scroll down below the instructions and you'll see the first question.  INFP's are usually 9's, 4's, or 6's.  Sometimes 1's or 5's.  But you could be any of the 9 numbers.
http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/dis_sample_36.asp
Thanks. I got 6's on Types 4, 5 & 9.  I can identify with 4 & 5, but only a little bit with 9.

I had trouble with a few questions in which neither choice fit at all.



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I never appreciated how sensitive some people are to the world around them, such everyday things as flourescent lighting.  I wanted to ask how you get on with the 'diet'.  I have led a relatively ok regime lifestyle.  Aware of eating things that probably shouldn't.  
However have now been following the explorer advisory for a few weeks. Gradually moving towards the recommended to eat and easing out even the black spots.
  
I have found though that I seem to have become more sensitive and foods that I would have eaten with no reaction but are on the avoid list I now find affect me, make me feel a bit sick or aware of slight itching.  Is this to be expected?  Would it suggest that I am on the right track?  
The only think I am finding really hard to eliminate is the chocolate.  Can now eat a mere piece or 4 as opposed to a bar but difficult to totally let go.  Feel diet is fairly balanced but am I missing something in my regime?
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I hate fluorescent lights with a passion, yet that's all I've ever been around.  I hear them buzz and the flickering makes me cringe---yet nobody else (except my husband) notices.
Not all fluorescent lighting is like that. That's the cheapo kind with plain electric interface with low frequency ballast. But I can relate to the problem hardly anyone else finds bothersome. My wife gets nauseated from watching old CRT displays with low frequency refresh rate. I sometimes get motion sickness from entering a shop with poor quality lighting.



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foods that I would have eaten with no reaction but are on the avoid list I now find affect me,


I should expect a reaction if I were eating avoids!
sounds like you re doing it right!


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Incidentally, our daughter had Auditory Integration Training, and it seemed to lessen the effects of these noises.

One of the little girls with autism I used to work with had AIT done several times.  Fascinating stuff.  I actually called and talked with them about having it done myself, but I didn't have that much money sitting around to spend on my ears.


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I sometimes get motion sickness from entering a shop with poor quality lighting.



Oh!  I never thought of it being motion sickness.  There are times I get unreasonably dizzy for a second for no apparent reason (when I'm in crowds, for example), (and it's not related to the low blood pressure).  My inner ear equilibrium is very easy to knock off.  I don't have a good sense of my place in space, so to speak, and I'm klutzy because of it.  Sometimes I look down and see a hand sitting there and go, "Oh. Wait. That's my hand."  I didn't feel myself touching my knee.  Other times I'm super-sensitive to touch and the tag in my shirt drives me nuts.  Does that sound insane?


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Thanks. I got 6's on Types 4, 5 & 9.  I can identify with 4 & 5, but only a little bit with 9.

I had trouble with a few questions in which neither choice fit at all.



Sounds like you're either the 5w4 (iconclast) or 4w5 (bohemian).  The first would apply if you are more analytical and attached... the latter, if you tend towards emotionality and are conscious of the image you present.  Of course, it's more complicated than that, but that's a start.

The 9 makes sense, since 9, 4, and 5 are the three enneagram types in the 'withdrawn' triad.  Would you say you're more introverted than an average introvert?  

Truthfully, I don't think it has much bearing on the explorer status, though.



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I hate flourescent lights too, very much.

Ever watch Joe vs. The Volcano?  I am Joe Banks.


Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.
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I think we share the same great-grandparents or something!  I have severe SAD.  I visit my parents in Arizona every December and again in March, and that helps.  Heavy winds make me irritable beyond belief.

I had strange childhood sensory stuff, too.  I remember asking my mom, "Why are the lights screaming at me?"  She couldn't figure it out.  She thought I meant they were too bright or I was hearing a buzzing noise. But (as I now realize) it was due to this 'raw nerves' thing that I believe I was born with.  I also experienced this 'black hole' feeling that was like extreme thirst and nausea mixed with a sinking feeling.  I had a therapist who was convinced these were all products of an unhappy childhood, but I doubt it.
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My lifesavers have been diet interventions and meditation.  I've tried the nostril breathing formally on meditation and yoga retreats, but I and haven't experienced much benefit.  Old-fashioned meditation is best for me.


I think I know that black hole feeling.  The diet has really helped me as well, I think the improvement in my moods has been the biggest deal of all the improvements it's given me.  I suspect the explorer diet taking that a step further.

I just took the little free enneagram test and turned out as a 5,4.  Does that fit an InfJ?


Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.
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Quoted from Melissa_J
I hate flourescent lights too, very much.

Ever watch Joe vs. The Volcano?  I am Joe Banks.


I love that movie!

I know the bit about the flourescent lights sucking the life out of him. Too funny!
"Brain Cloud" Ha!!!  


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Well, Isa, I believe that I am a 5 with a 4 wing. The enneagram-thought is a little rusty.  My analytical is dominant over my creative/intuitive.  I feel we communicate across many levels in a way that is beyond me.  

Keirsey is perched on top of MTBI - which is too self-constricted.  MTBI II is the blind wandering in the desert.  If enneagram and Keirsey/MTBI were tied together through RIASEC - there would flower such phenomenal (self/mutual) understanding!

We Explorers do seem to concentrate on Discontinual Cerebral Events.

Going through a perfume department is as nails on a chalkboard for me. Seasonal light sensitivity (worse when in the UK), and unusual sound sensitivity also occur.  I can hear a mechanical pressure wave (I assume from the local auto parts plant), that my wife, who is also a highly functioning amateur chorister, cannot.  It is loud enough to keep me awake at night.

Ribbit, your posts make total sense to me.  The ear gives time, timing, and a sense of location.  The therapy for my dyslexia was based on developing neuro-sensory integration through retraining the conscious and unconscious functions of the ear.  Some of the other children in the centre were diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome or autism.  Poor ear function leads to abnormal muscle tension (and general stress) and poor digestion.  Poor digestion leads to specific nutrient deficiencies, which reinforce poor ear function. It forms a negatively reinforcing cycle.  Have you ever heard of a spontaneous remission of Asperger's?  I cannot imagine it.

The therapy totaly changed my school experience.  The vice-principal at St Andrew's College told my parents that he had never seen such a turnaround in a student's achievement record in his forty year long career.  He was a wee hale Scottish gentleman, who would remind one of a border terrier.

Btw regarding the "animal charisma" section of the Explorer monograph, does anyone experience this in some way?


My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.

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I think I know that black hole feeling.  The diet has really helped me as well, I think the improvement in my moods has been the biggest deal of all the improvements it's given me.  I suspect the explorer diet taking that a step further.

I just took the little free enneagram test and turned out as a 5,4.  Does that fit an InfJ?


5w4 and 4w5 are very common for infj's



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What is a mechanical pressure wave?  

It's interesting how heightened senses and sensitivity to every aspect of the environment seems to come along with explorers (and some other non-secretors).  It reminds me of how Dr. D. described our relationship with toxins, that sometimes our bodies spend so much attention on the little toxins that the big ones go totally unnoticed.  I seem to pay attention to little annoyances, and am sometimes unaware of bigger things.

It's kind of nice being tied up with the environment, seasons, moons, and worldwide psychic currents...but it's also kind of not.  I have learned to trust my instinct, even though I am analytical, because there is some part of me that remembers details and senses various parts of the environment that I consciously do not, and when that part speaks, even though it doesn't seem logical at the time, it's usually right.  Now, if only I could get my husband to listen to my instincts.


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The word everyone has been looking for is neurotic. Hunters and Explorers are neurotic by nature. Dr. D calls it a reactive world view... We like to plan ahead, but we also want it to go our way.

Are we just genetic mistakes? I feel like I am good at nothing and naturally out classed at everything by everyone.
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-- There are times I get unreasonably dizzy for a second for no apparent reason (when I'm in crowds, for example), (and it's not related to the low blood pressure).  My inner ear equilibrium is very easy to knock off.  I don't have a good sense of my place in space, so to speak, and I'm klutzy because of it.  Sometimes I look down and see a hand sitting there and go, "Oh. Wait. That's my hand."  I didn't feel myself touching my knee.  Other times I'm super-sensitive to touch and the tag in my shirt drives me nuts.  Does that sound insane?
Doesn't sound insane to me, crowd experience tends to make me tired and numb


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What is a mechanical pressure wave?


I can feel pressure changes on skin in sync with the sound.  I am assuming that it is from a large industrial machine (about 200 yards from our house) and conveyed through the sewers.

When I have been doing my listening therapy I can speak at a soft conversational level and feel the vibration of my voice resonating my elbow bone.  An opera singer or person with a professionally developed, resonant voice (Sir Anthony Hopkins springs to mind) would be able to speak softly and have their toe bones vibrating.

Dr. Tomatis, who developed the Listening Therapy, restored the voice of Maria Callas by restoring her listening ability.

In the UK I went to Wembley stadium for a religious meeting and I remember feeling buoyed by the euphoria around me.  I tried to fight the feeling, asserting a different emotion, but it was like trying to fight a current. Since then I avoid large crowds.

Most dogs and horses that I have met trust me, unless the dog has been abused or is on guard.  Both the crowds and animals thing seem to click with the empathic ability outlined with Dr. D's Explorer monograph, but I would feel more comfortable about it if someone else has experienced the animal empathy thing.  

I feel as weird as Kevin Bacon in a leather loincloth right about now.


My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.
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I am more sensitive to smells than sounds.  Sometimes my throat will tighten up and I have to take a Benadryl.  I dread having to sit next to someone on the plane who is wearing a perfume that makes me nauseous.  I am also very sensitive to changes in the weather.  I know when the pressure drops outside even though Im inside.  I seem to be getting more sensitive to food the longer I am on this diet.  I guess my body had just given up sending me the signals before.   Without the signals, by the time you get so sick from the bad habits, it may be too late to turn things around.


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Are we just genetic mistakes? I feel like I am good at nothing and naturally out classed at everything by everyone.


No, that's not true---you just haven't found out what you're good at yet.  Don't you dance?  Aren't you good at that?

A couple of weeks ago I was at a thrift store and I got my kids out of the van and found myself standing there in the parking lot, kids in the cart, feeling like I wanted to cry for some reason.  I felt pressure in my head and I wanted to run away.  I started looking around for a reason and realized just through the woods was a gigantic electrical plant with tubes and wires and tanks and "Danger: High Power Voltage" signs everywhere.  Once I was inside the store it went away.  Maybe the store created a Faraday cage.     Of course, the store itself created its own problems--I don't like to shop because there's people everywhere and noise and chaos and too-loud, annoying music and buzzing lights and crying babies.  Crying babies.  Everywhere.  If there's one, there's a million.  I've been known to leave a store because there was a crying baby that wouldn't stop, being ignored by the mama, and I just had to get out.


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The word everyone has been looking for is neurotic. Hunters and Explorers are neurotic by nature. Dr. D calls it a reactive world view... We like to plan ahead, but we also want it to go our way.

Are we just genetic mistakes? I feel like I am good at nothing and naturally out classed at everything by everyone.


Sure, but other types are neurotic, too, they're just spaz on the inside instead of behaviorally.  

I see you're only 23.  I remember feeling really held back and restrained up until my late 20's, because I hadn't yet figured out how to get out of my own way.  Once I saw things getting better and realized I could change my life on my terms and ignore what other people thought I should do, my outlook changed immensely.  I still feel like I'm not where I want to be, but I see the improvements and I'm optimistic.  

Maybe try to find friends who inspire you and help you move the direction you want to go.  Get rid of people who contribute to your 'stuckness'.  


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  Get rid of people who contribute to your 'stuckness'.  


Yes, very good advice.  People like that are junk in your life.  They're clutter.


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I have laughed out loud saying yes so many times throughout this thread.  Maybe being weird is slowly becoming normal  

The Foxtel box really annoys me if not turned off at the wall, as a high spinning noise that nobody else in the family can hear!  Crowds with noise and lights will end up irritating me and now even large parties where I know everyone exhaust me...the washing powder aisle in the supermarket affects me in a way that I feel I have to hurry and get out before my eyes glaze over  

My DH had some expensive aftershave which he kept for going out but it would make me continually sneeze till my eyes would not stop tearing...to the point that my makeup was ruined and we would leave with a wife with swollen red blotchy eyes!  Needless to say it is now banned.  Cannot handle wool next to my skin...itches terribly. The sensitivity  with the Explorers in my family seems to be with all five senses and when you get multi-sensory input...watch out!!     
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