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italybound
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What about bizarre Gatherer laws like: no orange juice, but you can have oranges & no string cheese but you can have mozzarella.  Entirely confusing.
Started my diet five days ago and feel no differences so far.  How long has it taken others before feeling better?


entangledhere, welcome to BTD and the forums!!
Yeah, it's all bizarre, but I'm trying to keep an open mind.
Hang in there. Everyone is different. Within a week, my daily sinus and migraine headaches were gone. As time went on, everything else disappeared too.
Do you have any particular health issues with which you are dealing?



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Not sure about the orange thing but string cheese has been discussed before.  The mozzarella that we can have is the REAL mozz., the unprocessed type, the little while balls.  String cheese is overly processed.
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My guess about the oj is this:  oranges are just oranges.  Orange juice is pasteurized and who knows what else.  It may be that process that renders it an avoid.


ISTJ, BTD since 5/05.  Battling chronic Lyme disease since ~1985.

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My recollection from ER is that for O's it's an acid, alkaline thing.  Grapefruit juice, e.g. despite seeming more sour actually is more alkaline in O systems than OJ.  Funny thing is that I love "good" from the carton grapefruit juice.  Many many years ago when I was pregnant, OJ, even the thought of it made me nauseous.  Maybe the juicing exacerbates the acidity?????
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OJ has always made me terribly congested.  Oranges don't.  I just avoid them because they're on my avoid list.


ISTJ, BTD since 5/05.  Battling chronic Lyme disease since ~1985.

"Everything is permissible for me, but not everything is beneficial..."  I Corinthians 6:12

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Quoted from Dr. D

The BTD is a single food 'value' system. The GTD is a multi-food 'relationship' system. They both work in their own way.


What I am wondering about is that a diamond food for a Teacher like buttermilk and goudacheeses, should be great for my system? I reintroduced this dairy when GTD came out. I had not been eating dairy for a period of 9 years...   After 2,5 month my kidneys starting complaining, pain in my back, flocking urine.
In short I felt miserable on buttermilk, gouda cheese and the other dairy. Are my genes not interacting with eachother? My genes do not feel the need to 'relate'?
I skipped the dairy again and kidney pain disappeared and urine cleared up after a few days.
I returned to soymilk, and goatcheese.. My system can cope with that much better than with cowdairy..

I do listen to my body but I still do not grasp that these 'diamond' foods gave me such misery...

If anyone feels the need the give me some clarification, I am grateful!

Cocky

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... I still do not grasp that these 'diamond' foods gave me such misery...


Me too.  I specifically bought cranberry concentrate to use in the Flu concoction I was given. After trying to drink it a couple of times, I gave it up. It immediately gives me indigestion.      I need to have Swami done. Just don't know where or how yet.



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What about bizarre Gatherer laws like: no orange juice, but you can have oranges & no string cheese but you can have mozzarella.  Entirely confusing.


Yes, that is weird and seems wrong.  String cheese IS mozzarella, isn't it?

What if you take whole oranges and make your own smoothie (not orange juice--use the whole fruit), is that okay?

I think he should address these apparant dicotomies.

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What about bizarre Gatherer laws like: no orange juice, but you can have oranges & no string cheese but you can have mozzarella.  Entirely confusing.


Occasional orange= low to low-moderate amount of polyamines.
10 oz orange juice very morning= high amount of polyamines.

Most sting cheese have avoid additions besides mozzarella.


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I thought it was also a question of fixing calcium..or not ...

Dr. Jean Valnet, the super swiss guy of aetheric oil use described it :
orange juice fixes ca- in the blood
P.D...justamente the contrary....


a question of dualitiy I guess   


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Orange juice gives me acne and migraine headaches.. Not worth any calcium from it.  
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Occasional orange= low to low-moderate amount of polyamines.
10 oz orange juice very morning= high amount of polyamines.

Most sting cheese have avoid additions besides mozzarella.


But so does all soy/almond cheese (that I've ever seen)!!!!!

So...does that mean if we can find string cheese that's ONLY mozzarella, with nothing else, I can feed it to my kids?


ISTJ, BTD since 5/05.  Battling chronic Lyme disease since ~1985.

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What I am wondering about is that a diamond food for a Teacher like buttermilk and goudacheeses, should be great for my system? ...
In short I felt miserable on buttermilk, gouda cheese and the other dairy. ...
I skipped the dairy again and kidney pain disappeared and urine cleared up after a few days. ...

If anyone feels the need the give me some clarification, I am grateful!


I do not know that this will happen in your case.

But I know a number of people that experienced problems with certain foods on the GenoType diet, found that when they did SWAMI these problematic "diamond" and "super" foods disappeared from their superfood list and were much lower rated.




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What I am wondering about is that a diamond food for a Teacher like buttermilk and gouda cheeses, should be great for my system? I reintroduced this dairy when GTD came out. I had not been eating dairy for a period of 9 years...   After 2,5 month my kidneys starting complaining, pain in my back, flocking urine.
In short I felt miserable on buttermilk, gouda cheese and the other dairy. Are my genes not interacting with each other? My genes do not feel the need to 'relate'?
I skipped the dairy again and kidney pain disappeared and urine cleared up after a few days.
I returned to soymilk, and goatcheese.. My system can cope with that much better than with cowdairy..

I do listen to my body but I still do not grasp that these 'diamond' foods gave me such misery...

If anyone feels the need the give me some clarification, I am grateful!

Cocky

As Dr. D says (paraphrased) in the start of the Genotype book, there are as many Genotypes as people...
You are correct to focus on what is working and remove what is not working...  Listening to your body is best.  

I was starting to modify my BTD before the GTD came about, so my diet was morphing very closely to what the GTD diet prescribes for me, but I can understand that not everyone will be the same.



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perhaps does she deals with warrior-teacher shapements ...
...sorry couldn't resist....


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where do i find the meal plans refered to in the GEnotype diet book?  They say we can find them on this website.  But where?  Also, how do I start a thread in this forum? Thanks for your help.




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What are you health problems that brought you to this diet/way of life?
How were you eating before?  What changes have you made?




MIFHI

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I think all the books list string cheese and mozzarella cheese separately, putting "string cheese" in the "avoid" group for everybody, just like "processed american cheese food." (the perfect thing to feed your pet cheese!   )

I have to wonder if there are different kinds of string cheeses available, and some of them contain random additives that all of us should avoid.

Personally, I'd read the ingredients of the string cheese, and if it's just mozzarella cheese, treat it as mozzarella cheese. If it's a mixture of mozzarella and chedder, treat is as a mixture of those two cheeses (and only use it if both foods are acceptable for you.)  But be wary of random weird ingredients that might make it unhealthy.

Just today, I noticed that the pre-shredded cheese contains a chemical anti-fungal, plus corn starch and potato starch. I'm not sure how I didn't notice that when I first started  buying it about 2 months ago. But I didn't buy any more of the pre-shredded cheese- we'll go back to buying blocks of cheese and shredding it ourselves (after we use up the packaged stuff we already have in the house.) I'm wondering if the "avoid" status for string cheese is something similar.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Quoted from Cristina
where do i find the meal plans refered to in the GEnotype diet book?  They say we can find them on this website.


There once was a subscription web site at

http://www.genotypediet.com/

That site included a meal planner. But it cost $5 a week (or $65 per quarter since you paid quarterly). The site no longer charges, but some features have been dropped including the meal planner. Many of us who tried the menu planner found it had some problems. I ended up not using it because of the problems.

That meal planner is no longer available.

There is a new menu planner that is part of the SWAMI Xpress package. SWAMI Xpress is $69.95 and includes many things other than the meal planner.  And you only pay once and not over and over again. More info at:

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED070

I briefly tested the new meal planer. I did not discover any problems.  But I am not using it since it does not fit with my current lifestyle.  I eat what my garden produces that day and ignore any preset plan.





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http://www.genotypediet.com/GTD_recipes.htm
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I am so confused. EVERY test I take, I am a Warrior.  However, the foods that it tells me to eat could kill me (eventually). I have Celiac Disease (gluten allergy - need to avoid wheat, rye, barely, malt and any form thereof), AND I am allergic to fish and seafood.  It also says that I should be tall and lean and an egg head. I'm 5'0 tall, and thick.  I've always been on the thicker side, and I have the meocephalic (average) head.  I don't get it.  I'm not sure if this will work for me.
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Occasional orange= low to low-moderate amount of polyamines.
10 oz orange juice every morning= high amount of polyamines.


Kind of like tomatoes and lycopene vs. lectins

I wonder if this means we don't have to freak out about "orange peel" as an ingredient in our favorite herbal tea anymore


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Hello.  I am a type B+.  I recently found out I am a non-secretor.  So now I am doing the geno type diet.  I am equal in Gatherer and Nomad.  Now what do I do?
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Here is the first thing you can do (since it is easy):

Add a blood type shield to your profile.

how to:
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-ref/m-1219018887/


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